Official suggests Tokyo could become 'uninhabitable'

I uploaded this map to help put this claim into perspective.

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You can see Fukushima and Tokyo on there. If the distance from Fukushima to Tokyo ended defining a radius that would trace out an 'uninhabitable zone', that pretty much takes out most of the island of Japan north of Tokyo (excluding the large island of Hokkaido N of Aomori)

If Tokyo was literally 'uninhabitable', it's probably safe to say that for a small distance south of Tokyo, living conditions would less than ideal.

I don't know, maybe that would leave from Nagoya to the SW tip of Japan as 'inhabitable'.

Of course, effects don't have to go out equally in all directions from the ground zero.

Anyhow, the zones map below (from NYTIMES) sorta helps to visualize this. This map also includes current evacuation zones. Tokyo looks to be about ~125 miles away.

So, it would seem things have to get much worse for the claim in the OP to come true. Sounds like a worst-case scenario, to me. Although the 50 mile evacuation zone recommded by the US Embassy and shown on the map below is almost half way there.

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Originally posted by EthanT
Of course, effects don't have to go out equally in all directions from the ground zero.

Absolutely right. Fortunately I have the fallout map and it draws the circles but you can see the contamination zones are not circular as you correctly suggest:

blog.energy.gov...
May 13 2011 Joint US Japan Aerial Measuring Data

However, I'm starting to wonder how accurate this is. It's accurate for what it is, drones mapping the fallout from 150 to 700 meters above ground level. But I think the ground is more contaminated in some areas than others and some of the ground contamination may not even show up on this map because the drones are too far above the ground. They would need to be closer than 150 meters to detect some of the ground contamination.

The other thing is, the wind direction can change and that can change the contamination level in places like the southwest which didn't seem to be too contaminated before.

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A Star for your optimism of the great Japanese people..I concur
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Good map!

Whatever additional affects are not included in the map would probably be just as anisotropic as the effects that are shown.

The map does show that well too.

Originally posted by EthanT
So, it would seem things have to get much worse for the claim in the OP to come true. Sounds like a worst-case scenario, to me. Although the 50 mile evacuation zone recommded by the US Embassy and shown on the map below is almost half way there.

Not necessarily, but it would take some bad luck.

One of the things that surprised researchers a little bit about the fallout from atomic bomb tests is the, as you put it, not only anisotropic nature of the fallout, but the ability for a weather pattern to deposit a highly concentrated dose of radiation a considerable distance outside any circles drawn around the origin.

The reactors are still venting highly radioactive gases as far as I know, and an unfavorable weather pattern could take some of that and dump it in Tokyo, far outside the circles. There's plenty of precedence for this type of thing happening. I think Michio Kaku and others have pointed out that Japan has been very lucky so far, that the prevailing winds have blown so much of the radiation out to sea. But their luck may not hold out forever. Once they get the tents up maybe around the end of the year, that should help cut down the risk.

Originally posted by rbya911
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A Star for your optimism of the great Japanese people..I concur
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Thanks! I don't know if you're into psychic ability kind of stuff, but you may want to check out another thread of mine:

The World After 2012 By Kevin Ryerson
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What I found interesting was how prominent a role Japan played in his predictions. Also, you can easily picture the recent tragedy in japan acting as stimulus for bringing about at least a couple.

Although, some of his other predictions were a bit hard to swallow ... imho.

All humans are multicelluar regardless of national origin.If they must leave I hope they like the Desert because that is where we have space and Alaska as well but that is too far away.
I say come on over.
I would be more than proud to see the nation of Japan move here,besides they'll love the guns and Anime will be incredible.
Maybe our bell curves will improve.
Any other country with that much space would be oppressive in nature.

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Like someone else said, I think the Japanese are up to the task. They will do everything possible to fix/minimize the effects of this disaster. Should they need or ask for any help, we should give it to them without hesitation. That's what friends do.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
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My blissful ignorance had led me believe they just needed to get some dude in a radiation suit in there with a pair of kitchen tongs to pick the thing up then put it in a lead container.

Do you have any idea how many times a day I chuckle at your posts?


On a more serious note... this whole thing was screwed up from the start. IMO the window of opportunity was closed a while back when they decided to deny the severity of it and at the very least use the boron we as well as France shipped over to dump on it. I fear that we will not know the true state of things until its all said and done with.. and too late for the Japanese folks to even have enough true information to deal with their country and its citizens welfare.

Originally posted by pavil
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Like someone else said, I think the Japanese are up to the task. They will do everything possible to fix/minimize the effects of this disaster. Should they need or ask for any help, we should give it to them without hesitation. That's what friends do.

ABsolutely.. but the people are being lied to continually by Tepco and the so-called experts. If they at least had some reliable info to go on.. it would be better. I mean they were told that the placement of the facility itself was safe.. when it obviously wasnt. Seems some are willing to sacrifice so many lives and futures for a few bucks. The Japanese have been sold out by their own leadership.. much like what would happen if we had a disaster here in the US.

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Do you have any idea how many times a day I chuckle at your posts?

Ummmmm...... no not really but I assume from the smiley faces you meant it in a good way
Either that or you were lessening the nastiness by adding them, either way thanks dude (either for the compliment or the smiley faces, both are cool)

But back to business

So what could they have done? why didnt they do it? are there still people who say Nuke energy is the way forward?
When you say all said and done with what does that mean? Will the rod eventually burn out or what?

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
are there still people who say Nuke energy is the way forward?

Most definitely. But, not fission. We need nuclear fusion! It's clean, with potentially inexhaustible fuel sources.

As Howard Hughes once said, "It's the way of the future"

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
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Do you have any idea how many times a day I chuckle at your posts?

Ummmmm...... no not really but I assume from the smiley faces you meant it in a good way

Either that or you were lessening the nastiness by adding them, either way thanks dude (either for the compliment or the smiley faces, both are cool)

But back to business

So what could they have done? why didnt they do it? are there still people who say Nuke energy is the way forward?
When you say all said and done with what does that mean? Will the rod eventually burn out or what?

Dont be so jumpy It was in good fun.. your posts make me chuckle at times... like the mental pic of a guy with tongs.. BTW, Im a dudette.. not a dude!

They could have used Boron at the first breech.. look up boron and how its used for exposed rods and melt downs. They had it.. we all sent it... and it wasnt used. As far as it burning out.. I dont think so.. I think it just keeps "burning"... but I admittedly know little about the nuts and bolts of a melt down of this magnitude. I guess at some point one of the experts or "experts" will chime in.. but they have been uncharacteristically silent since the real issue has surfaced after weeks of some of them telling the rest of us that we were hysterics due to our concern for the citizens of Japan and our own West Coast and state of Hawaii.

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haha nice one

As if any dudettes know words like Boron and magnitude

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OK I think Ive shown enough ignorance on 1 thread so instead of asking the difference between the 2 Ima jump on the interwebz and find out for myself

"Could become". Pft. I say we are all being lied to about that. In scale, nothing has happened like this. This is beyond Chernobyl. But by the time we find out just how bad it is I fear it'll be too late...

Anyone see the front page thread?

Deadlly Radiation Levels at ground level in Tokyo

There are some good videos in that OP, and it shows that Tokyo should already be uninhabitable! The rain and groundwater are carrying radiation and it is accumulating in areas where people often walk or congregate. The damage may not be apparent just yet, but this is slowly killing people at this very moment and nobody is warning them!

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I dont think anywhere near the ZERO zone is safe within 200 mile radius 400 mile dia.. Due to the radiation exposure leaking to underwater sources and land seepage. There are deadbodies and creatures being exposed deep under the rubbled areas and below the near shore fall off of the radiation into the sea. The entire Island needs evacuated, but alas mankind wont work together to move their brotheren away from the sickness chemical changes. The area needs total neutralized.... somehow and the people of Japan displaced. But again why would sapiens sapiens LOVE like this. May god bless their souls and ease the pain on their flesh.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by EthanT
I just found this article on Ichiro Ozawa.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

"I like Americans, but they are somewhat monocellular," the former Democratic Party leader said. "When I talk with Americans, I often wonder why they are so simple-minded."

I am not monocellular! Obviously, another bogus claim, lol.

Just for the record, I have TWO cell phones. He's so stupid.

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My first good laugh of the day! Thanks!

(sorry for the one liner- but I had to send a nod on this

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by EthanT
I'm not subscribed to the WSJ so I couldn't read that interview to confirm, but this sounds like quite a claim! If true, it would have devastating consequences.

Does anybody know more about this, or have access to the WSJ.

I like your avatar!

This sounds like the same claim made in the Chernobyl video:

Chernobyl disaster (Ukraine 1986) part 4 of 10

According to that video, if the molten core had melted down and contacted the water underneath it, a nuclear explosion might have occurred that could have rendered much of Europe uninhabitable.

Start listening around 3:15 when they talk about a possible second explosion equivalent to 3-5 megatons, and then around 5 minutes they say it would have rendered Europe uninhabitable. It had something to do with the molten core hitting the water underneath it. We may have a similar concern in Japan, if the molten core hits the groundwater underneath the reactors?

So even though I don't consider that naturalnews source too reliable, I'm also not too quick to dismiss the claims there could be a larger problem to come, after watching that Chernobyl video. The only difference is, they haven't tried to "plug" the Fukushima reactors like they did at Chernobyl, that may have been part of the problem, it wasn't letting the heat escape. So all these calls for "entombment" may have been ill-advised. I'm not sure of all the differences between the Chernobyl and the Fukushima situation, but I thought it was alarming that they barely avoided a nuclear bomb type explosion at Chernobyl from melted down core hitting water.

Thanks for posting these videos!

I watched them again for the second time now since I first watched all of them some year ago!

By watching these videos, it was suddenly clear for me that all those emergency workers at Chernobyl were really heroes - we in Europe should be very thankful for their sacrifice and effort in helping to avoid a much worse catastrophe for all of Europe.

So from the bottom of my heart I thank every worker/miner/soldier and pilots in the former Soviet states who sacrificed their lives and took part in the Chernobyl emergency operation to avoid a much worse situation for the whole of Europe - thank you workers, and many thanks to your families as well!

And when watching these videos I get the feeling that the Soviet's when the horrible accident had occured, acted very swiftly and with great responsibility to get things done with speed.

Do we actually see the same happening right now in Fukushima?

I never in my life thought that I would say this but...don't you also feel that even the pesky Soviet's when the catastrophe was a fact, were showing greater responsibility, acted swiftly and more rapidly to get the necessary work done - and were even more open with information and informing us with all cards on the table after a couple of weeks - much more than what we now can see coming from Japan and the Japanese authorities?