ICC: Evidence shows that Qaddafi ordered rape of hundreds

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by curious7

 

Then Libya is the precedent for a doctrine many nations ignore.

Using the military option when only humanitarian needs are present. If thats the real reason for Libyan operations, then Iran, N. Korea, China and a whole slew of other nations can face the same fate.

The World must decide on a consistent policy that excludes all polotics.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Oh I agree, if there was a way to have less war and oppression and more kindness with war and violence being a thing of the past them I'm all for it. I just think that we should get rid of the power hungry and violent sociopaths in the more known regions for committing atrocities (as we're seeing with Ratko Mladic's trial) before then turning to look at the nations seen as more peaceful and eradicating the threat to peace through documents and policy.

Sad part is that madmen like Gaddafi only know violence and unfortunately, I see him being killed before capture, whether by an airstrike or a Libyan civilian.

It's similar to the new al-Qaeda chief apparently being spoken of by members of that organisation as paranoid that if he's caught or killed, the group will flounder and die. I'd love nothing more than for him to be caught alive and the rest of that group to be peacefully released and reformed without bloodshed but like breeds like. It takes violence to put them out, we become just as bad and then someone else comes along with even more reason to be violent at we people who had to resort to violence in the first place to counter the original threat.

Never ending cycle which then brings down a reputation which unfortunately sticks and then people such as my friend above who I previously quoted thinking everything is bad and lies and falsehood designed to perpetuate their evil agenda when there might not even be anything behind an action other than allowing civilians to live free the way they've prayed for decades.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Who are the powers that be?

I see people use it all the time, but no one can state who they are. The term "TPTB" has become the catch all phrase when describing world events.

The powers that be are the people (who are not themselves elected officials) who can make a phone call and have a senator pick up. Or a president. People who get invited to White House social events. People who get to sit in and influence policy. People who make large donations to campaigns, or hire some politicians drunk loser cousin and pay him 100K a year to curry favor. Those people.

The CEO's, bankers, rich individuals whose voice gets heard, and whom even though they are a very SMALL percent of the population, (and even though SOME of them are not American or voters at all) have a very LARGE measure of influence over our elected officials.

Its just easier to write TPTB than all that.

reply to post by curious7


Hey dude,

Im definately not anti western being a westerner myself but I am unashamedly anti bullsh!t!!!

Anytime "documents" like these are found I find it highly suspicious and when you throw in the timing.... well to me it just reeks.

I consider myself openminded but not gullible, my gut told me when it was reported months ago that gaddafi was giving his troops Viagra that it was BS propaganda.

Im happy to admit when Im wrong but in this circumstance if all you have is a few bits of paper from the ICC your gonna need a bit more, like perhaps a few dozen or even just a few of these women coming forward.

As for journalists not being allowed to accurately report the situation, who gave them those orders? if it was within Libya surely with there being 2 sides there it shouldnt be hard to get access to people who have info on these crimes?

Im not pro or anti Gaddafi as I know nothing about him but once again to me this is just BS to make an invasion publicly acceptable

Originally posted by DaddyBare


Another quote from the story reads

Although Qaddafi has suppressed dissent among Libyans for decades, often brutally, the use of rape as a weapon appears to be a disturbing new dynamic, said Mr. Moreno-Ocampo. "It was never the pattern he used to control the population. The rape is a new aspect of the repression. And that's why we had doubts at the beginning but now we are more convinced," he said, according to BBC News.

This makes me wonder if any of this is true or not...
See if I knew troops were going around raping women not only would I be hiding my wife and daughters... I would laying in ambush waiting to kill one of these SOB's..

Yes but that is because you don't live in a culture that has had it's personal sense of authority usurped....

That's what happens when you have a dictator! Its like why many abducted children never run away from their captors or kill them in their sleep....

more american propaganda bs , like iraqi soldier killed incubator babies in kuwait . When will Russia perform its destiny of nuking the USA of the map .Russia please do it , you will free us from this genocidal monster nazi-soviet monster called 'USA'

reply to post by USAisdevil


Nope... It's the truth

And anyone who encourages the nuking of a country off the map is the real devil...

You misanthropic piece of dog #

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by USAisdevil

 

Nope... It's the truth

And anyone who encourages the nuking of a country off the map is the real devil...

You misanthropic piece of dog #

edit on 11-6-2011 by HunkaHunka because: (no reason given)

bs , this is american propaganda bs .USA is a devil .like it or not and we the world are fed up with your imperialism,rape and plunder of nations. US army is an army of rapists .

Hereby ,I petition dmitriy Medvedev and Vladmir Putin to rid the world of this vampire . Russia stand up and be like Blade

reply to post by USAisdevil


So you believe in a lot of fairy tales like devils and vampires?

Are you a twilight fan?

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Vampires don't exist . As for 'Devils' , i prefer to call them Malevolent Godhead entities like Moloch and his female counterpart Ashtaroth ,they exist , so does Baal .Right astrological timing is key to invoke them .

And what is 'twilight'? I don't watch many movies and Blade and matrix were only hollywood movies have watched . as for others ,mostly documentaries . You ever read the confessions of an Economic hitman by John Perkins . John Perkins ,Ron Paul,Ralph Nader have conscience .but you ? you are like most americans ,apathetic ,bloodthirsty ,war mongering . Hell when I use to live in Yugoslavia ,I use to laugh at the 'assumptions' of Soviet media , that if USSR was not there , USA would destroy the world . Today , I regret that our leaders did not stand tall with Russia and we were destroyed by CIA civil wars and Drugs , and our nations have become hotbeds of sex trafficking and our women are raped by the jews and other anglo saxon s c u m and I fled yugoslavia in 1992 . .

Today even our muslim brothers in Bosnia agree that yugoslav civil wars were CIA-Zion made .