Deadly Levels of Radiation Detected in Tokyo at Ground Level

reply to post by Jrocbaby


Yes but greed is a worldwide problem. Actually the U.S gives more aid to foreign people than any other country. Plus the Japanese people would have to want to leave.

I live on the west coast of the U.S., and I can feel the radiation.

The reason I say this, is I woke up about a month ago, and it was hot, in the way I remember as a kid, when it was going to be a scorcher of a summer day. When I was a kid, I would wake up while it was still cool outside, but the sky would be completely blue, and I knew, feeling the radiated heat, that it was going to be a scorcher of a day, and I would be having fun and swimming all day. This is a very fond memory of childhood, deeply ingrained.

Well, about a month ago, I woke up feeling this. It was hot inside, early in the morning, and my thermostat is turned way down low. I look out at the sky, and it is cloudy and rainy, and chilly for my area at this time of the year. I had expected a clear sky, and a nice hot summer day, but it was cloudy and cool all day. That was when I realized the reality of the situation.

I realized then that the heat most likely was coming from the nuclear melt down under way in Japan. Even though we continue to have a cool period for this time of year, several times I have felt that looming scorcher of a day radiated heat.

I don't know if there is any scientific validity for my claim, but I know what I feel.

Hi Japan watchers. Ravaged by insomnia as is so often the case, I was up and decided to take some readings. There is moderate rain right now. Ambient air inside =0.09 uSv/h and ambient outside (in a place sheltered from the rain) = 0.12 uSv/h. These are reasonable low levels

I then went into the rain and took a *partial* reading about two inches off a concrete ground. I say "partial" because I did not keep the device there long enough to take a full reading. It was wet and dark, and I didn't want to damage the machine. I also didn't place it directly in contact with any surfaces directly in the rain, for the same reason. Even so, the "partial" reading I got was significantly higher: 0.26 uSv/h. Now, that's not "run for the hills" level, but I think the difference is very unsettling.

I am now more concerned about this than before.

My next step is to measure some direct outdoor surfaces after the rain stops. I will also try to consult with some medical personnel in other nations -- I will see if I can get hold of a radiologist or perhaps some kind of academic person qualified to comment.

reply to post by silent thunder

Originally posted by silent thunder
I am now more concerned about this than before.

Can you could place the device in a ziplock bag?

I'm sorry to hear that your results look less than ideal.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by silent thunder

 

Can you could place the device in a ziplock bag?

I'm sorry to hear that your results look less than ideal.

Do you recommend that? Do you think it can pick up an accurate reading like that?

I will see what I can trigger up.

I'm also about to get on the phone with an academic in the US, a radiation specialist. That'll be innerestin.

reply to post by silent thunder


I'm not sure.

In one of the original videos I posted here, the guy placed his within a plastic bag of some type. It's worth a try to see what you get.

reply to post by Jrocbaby


I'm hoping you meant that indirectly people would be able to afford homes because they would be paying less taxes, otherwise it's communistic. It is not the govts job to provide homes and healthcare for it's citizens. That model is communist. I'm dispensing with the Socialist interlude, because Socialism is just the bridge toward a completely communist model.

reply to post by loam


thanks for the post, it's painful to keep up with this tragedy ( Japan is a wonderful country with wonderful people )

peace

Originally posted by poet1b

I live on the west coast of the U.S., and I can feel the radiation.

The reason I say this, is I woke up about a month ago, and it was hot, in the way I remember as a kid, when it was going to be a scorcher of a summer day. When I was a kid, I would wake up while it was still cool outside, but the sky would be completely blue, and I knew, feeling the radiated heat, that it was going to be a scorcher of a day, and I would be having fun and swimming all day. This is a very fond memory of childhood, deeply ingrained.

Well, about a month ago, I woke up feeling this. It was hot inside, early in the morning, and my thermostat is turned way down low. I look out at the sky, and it is cloudy and rainy, and chilly for my area at this time of the year. I had expected a clear sky, and a nice hot summer day, but it was cloudy and cool all day. That was when I realized the reality of the situation.

I realized then that the heat most likely was coming from the nuclear melt down under way in Japan. Even though we continue to have a cool period for this time of year, several times I have felt that looming scorcher of a day radiated heat.

I don't know if there is any scientific validity for my claim, but I know what I feel.

According to a wiki entry, the thermal(heat) effects of a HIroshima type blast would reach to about 53 Km, which is fairly close to the evacuation range in Japan.
en.wikipedia.org...

Radioactive particles traveling through wind and water is another story, and we are finding radioactive cesium and iodine even as far away as Florida. It is probably what you don't see or feel you most likely need to be scared of.

reply to post by loam


Japan could soon be unihabitable...Remember Pearl Harbor....dont bring them here

im betting its from the rain & wind, the radioactive particals probably are heavier than air so will eventually all be on the ground. hopefully they can get the reactor entombed and the radiation will decay quickly.

Originally posted by silent thunder
Hi Japan watchers. Ravaged by insomnia as is so often the case, I was up and decided to take some readings. There is moderate rain right now. Ambient air inside =0.09 uSv/h and ambient outside (in a place sheltered from the rain) = 0.12 uSv/h. These are reasonable low levels

I then went into the rain and took a *partial* reading about two inches off a concrete ground. I say "partial" because I did not keep the device there long enough to take a full reading. It was wet and dark, and I didn't want to damage the machine. I also didn't place it directly in contact with any surfaces directly in the rain, for the same reason. Even so, the "partial" reading I got was significantly higher: 0.26 uSv/h. Now, that's not "run for the hills" level, but I think the difference is very unsettling.

I am now more concerned about this than before.

My next step is to measure some direct outdoor surfaces after the rain stops. I will also try to consult with some medical personnel in other nations -- I will see if I can get hold of a radiologist or perhaps some kind of academic person qualified to comment.

have you tried taking readings in your sink?
since water is a carrier of radioactivity, as it absorbs radioactive dust,
i'd really want to know if the tap water is radioactive...

Quick update:

Phone call: Spoke briefly with a professor at a US university by long-distance phone. A radiation specialist. He was kind enough to give me about ten minutes of his time and was interested in what I had to tell him, which was basically about the discrepency between readings close to the ground versus those in the ambient atmosphere. I gave him the figures I gave you and he didn't seem excessively concerned, noting that radiation naturally concentrates in rainwater silt and some other places/materials. He did seem to think the measurements I was taking were of limited value: The machine itself has accuracy and precision, but waving it randomly in the air can only tell you so much.

He also suggested taking an adhesive surface, like a paper lightly coated with glue, and leaving it in the wind. By going over it later with the geiger, it might be possible to examine radioactive particles in the air.

Anyway, that's the view from a mainstream academic vantage, for what it is worth.

Measurements: I took the following readings within the last half hour. It stopped raining a few hours ago and the sky is overcast. There are still standing pools of rainwater and wet spots in the streets and on the ground.

1) Less than a quarter-inch from running tapwater, indoors: 0.10 uSv/h

2) Indoors, in a steamy bath/shower room after taking a shower: 0.10 uSv/h

(Note that both the above seem to suggest thast tap water/bath water are OK, at least for now.)

3) Outdoors, near silted drain (see photo below), geiger placed directly on top of wet silt: 0.15 uSv/h

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reply to post by Arbitrageur


You and everyone else on this thread should watch this video. It actually talks about how the situation could have been much worse if TEPCO didn't flood the reactors with Sea water at the last few minutes.

TEPCO refused to flood the reactors because they wanted to save/salvage them and The government FORCED TEPCO to flood them.

I think TEPCO needs to be removed

They are insane.

In The Arena- Elliot Spitzer interviews Michio Kaku. TEPCO almost caused much worse disaster than already has happened And They lowballed radiation Estimates by half


These are two seperate videos the 2 links. Watch them both.... if you have the time.

This Videos also talks about how TEPCO almost made Northern Japan uninhabitable.

reply to post by stevooo


Its not one reactor///all 3 melted down and the spent fuel rod pool had exposure problems also....they got issues over there

reply to post by TheUniverse


posted on 14-3-2011 @ 10:34 PM this post
reply to post by BobAthome


Another good idea from Bob!!

There is always the old one million guys hanging from helicopters with buckets trick...

There has to be a happy ending for this someway, somehow!
edit on 14-3-2011 by Chakotay because: CLASSIFIED

Actually suggested him too use
"helcopters/waterbombers, think FOREST Fire,,"

But that post was deleted as being "off Topic",,

just nice too know might have saved Northern Japan.

And a LOT of other ATS's people watching live and "suggesting" things,"live" , i say,, bought more time,, but what are doing with it,???? tick,tock

Me.

Should have seen some of the other deleted suggestions ,, lol,, all's fair ,, ya right,,,
apparently that night it was "oh no Mr. Bill,, it's ok,,we save,, nothing too see here",,,

Should have let them have there way. At least would have been over by now. Instead we get two-headed fish in Australia.

reply to post by loam


Fukushima Japan Death Toll will be in the Billions. Radiation will spead by wind, rain, dirt, dust, plant and animal. It respects no border. It will remain in the environment forever. You will breath and eat it into your body. Sooner or later it will kill you and your children. If the Governments of the world admitted this, it would cause Chaos. The rich will migrate to the southern hemisphere and live long enough to see the poison fruit of their arrogance destroy mother earth.

reply to post by poet1b


lol that the fact that this post has the silver content label is ridiculous.
I mean, your claims are extremely outlandish!

They should've evacuated Japan is what they should've done. They had proof mere days after the earthquake that radiation tainted the groundsoil, that means pack your crap and get out because you probably have already absorbed enough radation to give your great great grand kids cancer. Meltdowns are WORSE than nuclear bombs because more radiation penetrates the ground because the breach in the reactors containment until it was sealed was constantly pumping out radiation. Nuclear bombs dont continuously pump out radiation, they have a pre-determined amount set into the bombs core material, where the danger lies in them is the initial blast and then the secondary effect called fall-out. Fall-out will kill more people than the blast will because the wind will blow it to other regions nearby, the mountains in Japan wouldnt be able to contain like they could the blast.

reply to post by silent thunder


do you have your instrument calibrated at all? I don't know where you go to get a Geiger counter calibrated, but if you have that done, you can have a much better idea that your readings are true and correct.
I don't know anything about radiation, but I do know instrumentation. Even if it is out of calibration now, taking ambient readings from inside at the same location before you go out and take reading in the field will help establish a base and a variance. Stay safe and enjoy some sushi.