Once Again, Is There Any Logical Argument Against Gay Marriage?

Last Thread Closed, Hopefully This One Won't. This time, I'll just list the arguments against gay marriage and knock each down one by one, since the people in the last thread didn't seem to have a basic understand of what a logical argument is, which pretty sad when you're a website whose motto is "deny ignorance". So ATS, is there any reason against Gay Marriage other than homophobia?


Argument 1: Well why don't you just legalize beastility/pedophilia/incest/polygamy marriages then?

Because children and animals can't consent, whereas adults can, regardless of their sexual orientation. Besides, both of those are illegal anyways. Polygamy is fine, and Incest is fine (as much as I hate to say it) as long as they don't try to have any children, as the children would definitely suffer from some birth defect.

Argument 2: Gays can't have children.

They can through alternative means, or they could just adopt. Besides, it's not like having children is requirement for marriage anyways, as there are married couples out there who don't have children or can't due to being old or infertile.

Argument 3: It's tradition.

So was treating women like property, slavery, and many other horrible things.

Argument 4: They have Civil Unions.

So do heterosexual couples, and yet they chose to get married instead. Also, Separate But Equal is never equal, which essentially what this policy is.

Argument 5: Christians invented Marriage.

No they didn't, and there are some Churches who will marry gays.

Argument 6: They can get married, just to the opposite gender. Gays just want special priveleges.

How exactly is allowing a gay person to marry the person they love just like straight person special priveleges? If anything, heterosexual couples are the ones with the special priveleges here. As mentioned before, Separate But Equal is Never Equal.

Argument 7: Homosexuality is immoral,

Seeing how homosexuality harms no one, no, it isn't.

Argument 8: Homosexuality is a choice (unnatural)

Execpt for the fact that theres proof that it isn't. Besides, why would anyone want to choose to be ostracized by society?

Argument 9: It will destroy the sanctity of marriage.

There are drive-through marriages, people who will marry somone simply because of wealth, and even gay people who will marry the opposite sex to hide the fact that they're gay, but even ignoring those things, there's no proof whatsoever that it will destroy marriage.

Argument 10: A healthy family needs a mother and father.

Bigoted opinion at best. There's no proof that that is truly the case. en.wikipedia.org...

Argument 11: It would mean churches would be forced to marry gay couples.

en.wikipedia.org...

Argument 12: Gay Marriage leads to degradation of society.
en.wikipedia.org...

The summation to all the arguments against it I've ever heard can pretty much be summed up by this statement:

We can't allow it because it's too icky.

I think I'm gonna capitalize on this trend while it's still early and become a lawyer specializing in gay divorces. Cha-Ching!

Edit: You know it's inevitable.

there is no logical argument. to claim it's against gods will is only arguing on behalf of individual belief in a deity. that holds no water to somebody who does not believe negating the argument to nothing more than being biased.

Marriage should not be a part of, or overseen by the government. I don't believe that they should have anything to do with marriage, gay or straight.

Marriage should be an agreement between the parties involved, and I don't think it should be limited in number of participants. You should receive no benefits from the state, nor be taxed for your marriage agreement.

There is my valid, and logical argument against state sanctioned gay marriage. However you will notice that it is equally a valid argument against straight marriage.

Originally posted by downtown436
Marriage should not be a part of, or overseen by the government. I don't believe that they should have anything to do with marriage, gay or straight.

That kind of contradicts what marriage is in the first place. Marriage is defined as a social union or legal contract between two people that creates kinship. It's hard to have a legal contract without any government involved.

Do you have any logical arguments for gay marriage?

Here's my logical argument:
First, I have no problems if gays want to have sex. But gay marriage will lead to a further degradation of our society. The other society that allowed homosexuality was Greece, and homosexuality led to a degradation of their ancient society.
Argument 2: Kids are very impressionable and they don't need to be exposed to this.
Argument 3: it's unnatural.
Argument 4: et cetera
Argument 5: Just because you listed a bunch of illogical arguments doesn't mean you logically proved gay marriage should be legal.
Argument 6: What's logical to one person, isn't logical to another.

I'm a very liberal person. I used to support the legalization of gay marriage, but then I thought about it more. It is not a good thing. It will mess up our society just like it messed up other civilizations that allowed it. Again, there are many logical arguments why it shouldn't be legal, where are the logical arguments for it being legal?

Originally posted by Ghost375

Argument 2: Kids are very impressionable and they don't need to be exposed to this.

'nuff said.

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Homosexual people deserve to have the same rights as anybody else. If they was to be happily or miserably married then so be it but time are changing and ummmmmmmmmmmm who the hell cares if tom and rob or ashley and becky want to get mrried and have a family i think our attention should be spent on more importnt things like energy, getting us out of debt, improving the quality of life, not "omg! what there there doing so soooooooooo against the bible. so is everything else. "Thou shalt not kill. (did that and still are) , thou shalt not steal(they are forcibly taking money in the form of taxes), Thou shalt not lie( this is the kicker) Thou shalt not covent( hahahahaha) so I would care less if the gay community wanted to sit next to me on a bus. they are awesome to shop with and honestly as the old birds leave the congressional bs the fledglings will pass the law of total equality.

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I agree with this also.

Being a kid is hard enough then having gay parents too.

Because the Bible tells us so???

I don't know, the Bible has been proven to have its faults, and therefore, I can't honestly fault that which is unproven to be a fault.

Can you, as an individual, honestly choose who it is that you fall in love with?

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They do have the same rights as everyone else.

They can get married to the opposite sex just like everyone else and they can't marry members of the same sex just like everyone else. In what part of that do they not have the same rights?

Originally posted by Ghost375
Do you have any logical arguments for gay marriage?

It doesn't harm anyone, and the fact there have been (so far) no logical arguments against it.

First, I have no problems if gays want to have sex. But gay marriage will lead to a further degradation of our society. The other society that allowed homosexuality was Greece, and homosexuality led to a degradation of their ancient society.

Bigoted opinion at best. en.wikipedia.org...

Argument 2: Kids are very impressionable and they don't need to be exposed to this.

So gays shouldn't have equal rights because kids are impressionable? Besides, what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean that kids are going to become gay? Because there's no proof that that's the case.

Argument 3: it's unnatural.

No proof that it is. There have been instances of homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

Argument 5: Just because you listed a bunch of illogical arguments doesn't mean you logically proved gay marriage should be legal.

Then list a logical argument.

Argument 6: What's logical to one person, isn't logical to another.

Logic isn't subjective, no matter how much you want to believe it is.

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cant be as bad as single parent families. My daughter bestfriends mother is a lesbian. Her wife brother is the father of her little girl. she has 2 moms she doesn't care they love her just the same. and at 7 you would think it has a bearing on her it doesn't her mommmies love each other very much plus she knows who her father was. But everyday i hear the two of them just going on and on about justin bieber and how cute he is. if im worried about impressionism it would be the skanky girls tromsing around with there teen pregnant bellies.

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who has the right to dictate who you fall in love with. if we are basing it of a book of opinions from the stoneage you think we would go out of the childish narrow mindedness. no stacy is only allowed to marry a man Why might you ask for procreational reasons. its the right thing to do. but over a million men have been at fault of watching lesbian porn and getting aroused. but NO ITS NOT RIGHT..... BUT DAMN THATS HOTT!

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i would rather my daughter be a lesbian then knocked up at 14

The logical argument is the fact that there is no argument.

We got more important things to worry about than marriage right now. Be gay, get married, it doesn't matter. Marriage is the joining of two people who love each other as one.

I think it's time to move on beyond these failed debates that just waste our time.
Maybe it's time to take on something that actually is a problem?

IMHO

I believe the institution of marriage to be arcane. I also believe the right to marry should be restricted, to all.

Now to be fair I am a single male, but the way I see it, marriage should be kind of like a government program (which it kind of already is). In that, marriages should be restricted to those who intend on making a commitment to raising a family and not unto themselves. In fact, I think a marriage should end by the time the last of the nest fly's out on its own. Community/Government should support these family units, akin to the benefits married individuals have now. I believe the idea of two people sealing their love for each other by the law of the state is just stupid, and unnecessary.

My parents divorced when I was 5 years old. Now if the idea of marriage was a commitment to raising a family, and not a commitment to 2 individuals, I may have had more influence from both sides growing up. And if you don't know, a boy without a father figure is a very sad one. Though I realize this sort of thinking would require an entire paradigm shift to come to fruition.

All that being said. Unfortunately my view would have no place for homosexual couples. As I believe children are better off with both a male and female parenting figure. Can two males, or two females raise a child? Sure, though I believe there would be an undeniable level of bias and/or prejudice in doing so. I have nothing at all against homosexuals, let me be clear about that, I have the same amount of love in my heart for everyone. I just think a child (from experience mind you) is better off with both male and female parental figures, and it has nothing to do with sexuality.

However with respect to the current philosophy of marriage being a commitment between 2 people, then sure, they should be allowed.

So the only logical argument I can think of is that marriage itself is a flawed institution, and if it were to exist in the way I've described, then yes, there would be a logical argument. But since we're allowing people to marry off all willy-nilly like, then why not let the gays do the same.

Originally posted by wolveseyes
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who has the right to dictate who you fall in love with. if we are basing it of a book of opinions from the stoneage you think we would go out of the childish narrow mindedness. no stacy is only allowed to marry a man Why might you ask for procreational reasons. its the right thing to do. but over a million men have been at fault of watching lesbian porn and getting aroused.

but NO ITS NOT RIGHT..... BUT DAMN THATS HOTT!

No one's dictating who you fall in love with. They're dictating who you can sign a legal contract with. That's a big difference.

Edit: And I'm not Christian so don't pull that whole "YOU'RE BASING THIS OFF A 2000 YEAR OLD BOOK!!!!!!!!11" thing.

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not christian either, its just a stupid topic to focus SO MUCH ATTENTION ON. to people of the same sex can rent a house or buy a car but they cant marry talk about dabbling in others affairs i would figure the government would be more focused on the economy. legalize gay marriage= money spent= minor dent in the debt.