Temperature Rising - A Warming Planet Struggles to Feed Itself

Originally posted by Tephra
NO!

If the planet was getting warmer, which it isn't. We would have increased plant life, and increased crop production.

This reminds me of an article that ran in The Wall Street Journal, which I can no longer, unfortunately, remember the title of, which made this claim. How carbon emissions were a "more the merrier" thing and how by allowing as many as possible we would be ensuring that we would leave a green lush planet for our grandchildren.

It was written by two brothers, both Chemists at Dow if I remember. Total propaganda, written by people who had no clue what they were talking about. But it was one of the most highly influential and widely disseminated pieces on Global warming of its time.

Yea, Glabol warming, updated to climate change ... after Al Gore invented the internet his prophet like vision exposed theses truths to us and his vision brought him a glorious acamedy award and also a position with a company to be on the board of Apple... oh who happens to be a huge polluter of the environment... oh the irony.


global warming is a scam for suckers.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro

The reason for the change in weather lately is most likely due to the longest solar minimum in modern history.
Tornadoes and such are also more statistically common during solar minimums.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
We can slug it out over arguing the validity of such bugaboos as "global warming" and "the greenhouse effect" but it is undeniable we have seen recently, for whatever reasons, extreme weather conditions that have effected our crop yields and sent food prices soaring. A moderate inconvnience in the US perhaps but our changing weather has turned-up the political climate and create or contribute to global instability.

Those price jumps, though felt only moderately in the West, have worsened hunger for tens of millions of poor people, destabilizing politics in scores of countries, from Mexico to Uzbekistan to Yemen. The Haitian government was ousted in 2008 amid food riots, and anger over high prices has played a role in the recent Arab uprisings.

In 2007 and 2008, with grain stockpiles low, prices doubled and in some cases tripled. Whole countries began hoarding food, and panic buying ensued in some markets, notably for rice. Food riots broke out in more than 30 countries.

Improved crops strains that are more weather resistant and poorer nations taking serious interest in agrigultural production in ways they had never done before when food was cheap, these are ways we will pull ourselves together and come through these times but populations are increasing and before the end of this century our world population is expected to top 10 billion inhabitants.

Demand for more protein-rich foods and in greater quantities projections indicate food production may need to double in the coming years. With scarcity of new farmlands, temperatures rising, weather becoming more erratic coupled with water supplies tightening, that task is becoming increasingly difficult. Some feel there is hope that we can do this again, as we have done it before, though it will be a struggle.

“We’ve doubled the world’s food production several times before in history, and now we have to do it one more time,” said Jonathan A. Foley, a researcher at the University of Minnesota. “The last doubling is the hardest. It is possible, but it’s not going to be easy.”

www.nytimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

WOW!

I must say that this is first thread where i don't have doubt that author of thread is telling disinformation.
Thread goes in problem and solution all in one.

Like scarcity for new farmlands, or improved crops that leads us to only solution and that is modified crops (very likely GMO).

Hello, mr. we are living in a world where food is thrown away and wasted to keep prices of food high. People are starving on one side of planet, and on other side they throw it away cause if they give food to poor prices of food will drop.

Consumption of the four staples that supply most human calories — wheat, rice, corn and soybeans — has outstripped production for much of the past decade, drawing once-large stockpiles down to worrisome levels.

That 4 crops are loved by GMO companies and those 4 crops are most genetic modified crops in world. In past decade there was very strong campaign by GMO companies in trying to put this 4 crops in almost any food eaten by man or animal. You almost cant find food in supermarket that don't have at least one of those.
So we have now simple things like bread, with soya, why? We feed animals with this food and that is unnatural for them to eat. If there werent everything being made from this 4 most GMO crops, maybe there wouldnt be scarcity at all.

And story about poorer nations taking serious interest is also sick. Look what Monsanto did to India and all over the world. In media you can only see that poor nations want this type of help, while truth is nowhere close.

Companies you present dont help any country. They look only for profit and how to make people more dependable of big companies.

There is no need to improve crops so they become undestructible to posions, weather or others.
There is need for healthy, natural food and crops for every person on planet.

Improved crops that give more (like you want to say but is not truth) wont help hungry people all over the world. It will help only to company that have patent.

And 10,000 years from now, they will still claim their rights for that "improved" crops, and people will pay them.

Im against it man. A lot.

Originally posted by ferumbra

Like scarcity for new farmlands, or improved crops that leads us to only solution and that is modified crops (very likely GMO).

No, its not the only solution. Birth control is another, much more sure option.

Its a logical fallacy that just because we have been able to double food production in the past, we can do it again.

I hear arguments from scientists all the time in "How do we make this work for 7 billion, 9 billion, etc." And they make all these serious arguments about how we can do this, or maybe if that happens it can work, and none of these yahoos really question WHY we should make it work for 7 billion, or 9 billion.

None of them, none of them, would be arguing how to make their house work for 9 billion cockroaches. Or 7 billion rats. Or any other species on the planet. Any ofter creature AT ALL that was over populating to the point where mass starvation was possible or likely and they would be talking about how to bring the population down.

Not humans.

Its a foregone conclusion that we must be allowed to continue to breed out of control and the only questions we are asking is "how can we continue to live this way." Not "SHOULD we be living this way at all?"

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Best to start buying plain water pancake mix,dried milk,rice,beans,noodles,grits,quick oats,salt,brown sugar and honey.Wont take long to store enough to stave off starvation for 6 months...not difficult at all

The planet is struggling to feed it's populations for ALL of the reasons above- population levels. Agriculture policies, subsidies to grow/ not grow food crops, GMO reduced yields, normal climatic cycles like drought and floods , food crops moving to biofuel crops for greater profit etc. And maybe there is a little global warming going on, but not in the parts of the world where we all live obviously. ( we had record snowfall here in Wales!).
We all inherently know the solutions - countries that have greater agricultural potentials support food production for those countries who can offer another resource for instance. Or rotate crop production around the world. The USA and other major countries could feed themselves easily through commercial operations and home farmers. Priorities have just shifted away from the basics. I don't think anyone above is arguing against cleaning up the environment or reducing polluting activities - we are just tired of this lie that global warming is the SOLE reason for our current problems. Many of us are simply not buying it.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Please wake up and stop spouting rubbish.

Planet Cooling Down

Originally posted by ferumbra
WOW!

I must say that this is first thread where i don't have doubt that author of thread is telling disinformation.
Thread goes in problem and solution all in one.

Like scarcity for new farmlands, or improved crops that leads us to only solution and that is modified crops (very likely GMO).

Hello, mr. we are living in a world where food is thrown away and wasted to keep prices of food high. People are starving on one side of planet, and on other side they throw it away cause if they give food to poor prices of food will drop.

"... that leads us to only solution and that is modified crops (very likely GMO)."

Hello?? Definitely a product of this generation, are you? Immediately you jump to GM foods. Never heard of the likes of Luther Burbank? You might want to read some other posts in this thread, perhaps even the original article.

Talk about disinfo agents.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


Again,thank for the excellent thread. I would suggest to ALL those who have any land........Plant crops,and get back to basics. Know how,learn how,to be self sufficient.

Population control has been one of the principle underlying objectives of leading proponents of the concept of human caused global warming. During the 2009 climate change conference in Copenhagen population control emerged as a key issue after it was brought forward by Chinese delegates. In 2010 Ted Turner, founder of CNN, called on, on world leaders to address the global warming crisis by drastically reducing the number of people on the planet. The UN Population Fund has also been leading the push for drastic de-population measures as what it claims is a necessary tactic to combat climate change.

So always keep in mind what the 'climate change' brigade's ultimate desire/goal is: a world population as low as 500 million worldwide

If we all civilized people would just give up eating meat, and animal products that would dramatically improve our situation and health, you know it takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of meat, not to mention the waste of fresh water and environmental pollution through animal waste.

www.peta.org...

reply to post by starseedflower


If we stopped using oil,or petroleum based products,we would start "healing" the earth,and in 20 years,you might see blue skys again.I doubt greed could EVER be nipped,because it really is the reason why we are in the predicament we are today.Humans have been greedy since the beginning. I dont see it changing,I see it growing till we wipe ourselves out.

Population control and "drastic de-population measures" needn't be so dastardly achieved. The US could consider implementing an income tax incentive with deductions for up to 2 offspring, a loss of those deduction as more children are added, then equivalent-sized negative deductions (fines) afterward and so on. Just a thought, might be a more reasonable way to pay school taxes and for other public services. Seems to fit the American framework for such matters.

Poorer nations developing their agricultural programs as food prices rise works to assure they get fed while the more prosperous that dump surplus products give their livestock more feed and we can remain civilized meat-eaters, responding to another poster's suggestion. Improved water reclamation systems, and a few other tweaks, we should be able to pull it off. It will take an effort.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


Sounds good in theory Erongaricuaro, BUT it can only work if every country implemented similar strategies.

I mean what's the point if you cap your US population, while China and or say Muslim nations, continue to grow? Pretty obvious what the end result would be.

reply to post by SpaceJockey1


True that, it would take other nations efforts, for certain. The US would not be entirely alone. China had stern measures in place and got results, but I was just reading they are now facing a difficulty with the results of that in this time of economic and industrial boom and face having a declining workforce inadequate to sustain their growth. Not sure the veracity or impact of that claim.

And I don't think the population control bandwagon plays a popular tune here in Mexico.

my take on climate is this.

it consists of a number of elements that are a part of a natural cycle the god scientists claim to know everything.

internal factors such as the core and flucuations in the earths magnetic field as well as external factors which include the suns own natural cycle.

all of the effect the food production in the world but wait thats not enough

growers and producers have government interference and subisidations and paying farmers not to go grow and produce those food sources

compounding the problems of the "tree huggers" and "global warming" people whose scare tactics and social programing that have led to the systematic destruction of trillion dollar industries.

then the addition of the federal reserve and the manipulation of the dollar the rise of outsourcing and globalization and nafta and other stupid programs that have destroyed free trade.

when land costs millions of dollars, farm equipment prices suchs as 600k for a combine 300k for a planter 200k for discs and other farm equipment then the insurance prices of seed and fertilizler and that theres no profit to be made with livestock but then agian theres not real profit to be made with grain

its a complex issue that has many elements that most people are not aware of.

June, and its finally warming up a little. So why are they publishing this misleading crapola now? Are they trying to soft well ICE AGE and and end to summer and growing seasons?

They need to have 2 doctors declare each one of them insane like they are and commit them if they keep this up.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


Speaking of MEXICO, how's the weather there?

Other than discussing illegal aliens, drugs, murders & hookers, you don't hear much in the media about 'weird' weather from that region. Have you noticed anything unusual lately?