Genetically Engineered Food Alters Our Digestive Systems!

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

There are lots of things people can do, and do do. Voting at the store is the single biggest thing anyone can do, and a lot of people simply wont. "Its too expensive." "Its too hard." And lots of excuses. Although everyone moaning about how expensive it is and how they could never afford it, that I personally knew, had cable TV and a cell phone. Cant give up those for a better quality of food, now can they?

Just for fun, I'll throw this out there.

How do you know all those cell phone toting buddies of yours aren't just making poor decisions because their heads have so many cellphone created tumors? Ok bad joke? Too soon? Nah haha.

Not only that, consider the countless angles of which we have been bombarded with toxic chemicals. Literally countless methods and directions have been used on most of us already. This would cause significant issues and it wouldn't surprise me if this had the effect of dumbing us down in general through chemically destroying neural pathways within the brain itself.

It may even make us lazy and less athletic by destroying our muscular system at the core chemical basis over time. Bone diseases, disorders with various other organ systems. The list goes on.

Our water is poisoned, the air is poisoned, the very Earth itself has been poisoned so anything we grow is poisoned at total random no matter where you live on Earth. You think you can grow your own garden safely? I doubt it because it needs rain to survive and the rain is contaminated.

So really when I think about it, does it even matter we get brain tumors from cell phones? If you avoid the cell phone you will still get your fair share of cancers and disorders merely by being alive at this very time. Oh well it really sucks when you are willing to partake in dangerous behavior because it doesn't make a difference you are so screwed in the first place anyways.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

I eat all types of food regularly and honestly I can't say my mental, emotional, spiritual, or physical states have been affected detrimentally at this point. However my metabolism and resistance to damaging chemicals is highly developed so this could play a significant role in the mitigation of deterioration.

Its hard to know, truthfully, what one COULD have been, had one gone a different route. So while you "cant say" your mental physical, etc., states have been affected detrimentally at this point, you also cant say that they havent. You have no way to know. Its one of the reasons twin studies are so wonderful in so many fields. You can never know if you are better or worse of spiritually than you would have been had you eaten a diet of "__________" instead of a diet of "________." Its absolutely impossible for you to do so, because you actually DID eat a diet of "_______" and have outcome x. And you dont have the other road untraveled to compare it to.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Many people would claim Jesus or Gandhi were "spiritually developed" people due to their extremely wise statements. However these two characters are known to have fasted for long durations of time. They didn't eat anything, so according to this mantra they would have to be frauds because you need to eat more vegetation to develop spiritually.

I think there is a problem with your logic here. Jesus and Ghandhi both ate food, their fasts were not continual, long term events. Or even repeated events in the case of Jesus. Ghandhi for certain was a vegetarian, and there are some who claim Jesus was as well, though there is little actual evidence for this. Like it or not, many of the people most widely recognized as genuinely "spiritual" have been vegetarians. Although it is NOT the case that all vegetarians are highly spiritual.

Im most unsure what "mantra" you are speaking of that would be fraudulent. Its not a mantra that you shouldnt eat meat. Its just a very long standing spiritual recommendation that comes to us from several spiritual lines. (From the East, from the certain sects of the Greeks, the Essenes, etc) It doesnt say you have to eat vegetables and fruits every day to gain spiritually, and in fact, many of these traditions also encouraged periodic fasting to cleanse the body. So the teaching in no way is contradicted by the fasting of Ghandhi or Jesus.

However, even if diet plays a role in spirituality, it certainly isnt sufficient to make one a Buddha, and Hitler is proof of that.

We really dont have hard science proving this one way or antoher, of course, but then hard science really cannot as yet quantify "spirituality" at all, much less if one type of diet increases it or decreases it. I think people will do what they feel is right for them, and some will be right, and some will be wrong. A lot of us will die as a direct result of what we choose to eat, and ALL of us will die whether or not our food is directly related or not.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by essjay

 

I think it would have alot more to do with taking on a gluten and casein free diet. Even organic fresh produce can still be GM so unless you know 100% sure it's organic, you really don't know.

Gluten acts like glue, and like fats and some oils, it's that that clogs your arteries.

You can still continue to have bread but I suggest you buy organic spelt or millet flour and hand make your bread.

If you need milk....stick to organic goats milk, rice or coconut milk.

edit on 5-6-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

I was under the impression that if something was truly organic then it would not be GM??? As I said in my post we tried our best to eat organic produce to the best of our knowlege, it is very true that companies can lie and things that say organic are not neccasarily so, but all we can do is try right? Even if it was 50% GM thats better that 100!!
We totally cut out all wheat, didn't need bread and after a while didn't even miss it! I replaced my milk with organic rice milk (after all I am british and we can't survive without a cup of tea and even replaced that with organic rooibos tea!) and again after a while I really started to enjoy it! The only reason we fell off the wagon so to speak is because I got pregnant and was underweight, and craving cheese sandwiches all of a sudden!! lol also had some complications with the pregnancy but got through it all and now have a beautiful son!

we are about to start weaning him and food is being discussed a lot at home!! I reckon we will be back to our healthy diets very soon!

I also saw someone posted something about ancient people advising on food for spiritual reasons! I believe in this! I know when I was eating well I felt amazing, I could think so much more clearly, and also I suffer from severe panc attacks and even these subsided! My meditation felt more peaceful and I just felt well in general! I don't think I have come accross anyone who has changed their diet who didn't feel amazing for doing so!

People always think they can do better than mother nature!! well she's about to kick our asses for our insolence!!

Originally posted by muzzleflash


How do you know all those cell phone toting buddies of yours aren't just making poor decisions because their heads have so many cellphone created tumors? Ok bad joke? Too soon? Nah haha.

I dont care if that is why they are making "bad" decisions. And its not something that bothers me emotionally if they are giving themselves brain tumors. Everyone I know is dying. Including you. Its just the way it goes.

Maybe their decisions are influenced by the media and cellphones, but, it doesnt change the fact that their argument "I cant afford to eat better" is a lie. Cable TV is not a necessity, and if they WANTED to eat better, they could afford to eat better if they ditched the cable. Cellphones CAN be a necessity for some people in some jobs, so I will leave that alone, although for those who DONT need them for work, land lines are cheaper.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
This would cause significant issues and it wouldn't surprise me if this had the effect of dumbing us down in general through chemically destroying neural pathways within the brain itself.

Im not sure the average level of stupidity in humans can be blamed on food additives, personally. I think a much stronger argument could be made for the way we live in general, ( agrarian, settled ) contributing heavily to our overall stupidity. Those wonderful food surpluses have enabled us to breed more, and to help keep the stupid alive. In other words, we have via technology and culture removed many consequences for being stupid, and, therefore, stupid is thriving in our population. We know stupid has been around a LOT longer than food additives, and there is no hard evidence that stupid is increasing since the beginning of food additives, so its hard to point the finger at those for stupid. Autism, perhaps, any other condition that has suddenly had a big upswing in the last 100 years, sure.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
It may even make us lazy and less athletic by destroying our muscular system at the core chemical basis over time. Bone diseases, disorders with various other organ systems. The list goes on.

It may. But simply sitting on your butt all day watching TV or playing on the internet could also make you lazy and less muscular, and affect bone density and all sorts of things. It would be hard without a carefully designed study to prove which was causing what.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
You think you can grow your own garden safely? I doubt it because it needs rain to survive and the rain is contaminated.

Life to me isnt "all or nothing." I know I cant grow my garden "safely" so "safely" isnt my goal. I can produce SOME food that is "better" than I can get from a store. So I do "better" where I can. Just like all my diet and exercise and other health habits. Im not trying to be "safe" or live forever, I just make a habit of doing the best I can. In terms of eating, health, educating myself, how I work, etc. I do my best. I dont worry about the ultimate outcome.

Too many people seem to come to the conclusion "oh well, I cant stop all world hunger" and so they do NOTHING to feed the people they can. They dont buy any groceries for ANY needy people. Or "I cant eliminate ALL toxins from my diet, therefore I will do nothing different."

Its stupid. No one can assure the outcome, but everyone can do something to better things.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
So really when I think about it, does it even matter we get brain tumors from cell phones? If you avoid the cell phone you will still get your fair share of cancers and disorders merely by being alive at this very time. Oh well it really sucks when you are willing to partake in dangerous behavior because it doesn't make a difference you are so screwed in the first place anyways.

Totally up to you. But its all or nothing thinking, and, quite frankly, its not intelligent.

Originally posted by Sri Oracle
GE foods are also being linked to the recent rise in celiac disease; an auto immune disorder that causes your intestines to basically digest themselves after being exposed to gluten... Modern wheat is all GM'd to increase the gluten content.

Sri Oracle

True, very much so. Although this information is suppressed, and the research that proves GMO
is harmful is suppressed as well.

Scientists must ask corporations for permission before publishing independent research on genetically modified crops.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to verify that genetically modified crops perform as advertised. That is because agritech companies have given themselves veto power over the work of independent researchers.

To purchase genetically modified seeds, a customer must sign an agreement that limits what can be done with them. (If you have installed software recently, you will recognize the concept of the end-user agreement.) Agreements are considered necessary to protect a company’s intellectual property, and they justifiably preclude the replication of the genetic enhancements that make the seeds unique. But agritech companies such as Monsanto, Pioneer and Syngenta go further. For a decade their user agreements have explicitly forbidden the use of the seeds for any independent research. Under the threat of litigation, scientists cannot test a seed to explore the different conditions under which it thrives or fails. They cannot compare seeds from one company against those from another company. And perhaps most important, they cannot examine whether the genetically modified crops lead to unintended environmental side effects.

Research on genetically modified seeds is still published, of course. But only studies that the seed companies have approved ever see the light of a peer-reviewed journal. In a number of cases, experiments that had the implicit go-ahead from the seed company were later blocked from publication because the results were not flattering. “It is important to understand that it is not always simply a matter of blanket denial of all research requests, which is bad enough,” wrote Elson J. Shields, an entomologist at Cornell University, in a letter to an official at the Environmental Protection Agency (the body tasked with regulating the environmental consequences of genetically modified crops), “but selective denials and permissions based on industry perceptions of how ‘friendly’ or ‘hostile’ a particular scientist may be toward [seed-enhancement] technology.”

www.scientificamerican.com...

IT'S HAPPENING NOW!!!

We ARE in world war III, we ARE killing life all around us, the extinction rate of animals IS rediculous and occuring, we ARE heading for galactic centre, the oil IS in the sea where it really shouldn't be, the earthquakes ARE getting worse, the nutrients in the soil HAVE been depleted!! I could go on and on but i'm sure you get the picture, I am putting my survival plans in place as we speak, and I don't care who thinks i'm crazy!! I can feeeeeeeel the bubbles rising, it's not a joke any more!!

Love to all of ya x

Exactly

Wish I had the money to prepare

Its like knowing a car crash is coming, and know you don't have a brake pedal, and knowing that THAT's THAT!

Crap really

I'm just getting into the GM issue. I'm not that much interested in what I eat, I don't spend a lot of time on anything edible. I try to eat healthy but it's something I never seemed to enjoy so much as others. Maybe because I'm afraid I'll like it too much as with all things on this planet and I'll start eating to fill some empty feeling but I digress.

At one time I noticed how pesticides became an issue, consumers complaining about it then these organic produced, no pesticide vegetables start to appear and what I've read is that those farmers were using natural pesticides like ladybugs or other things I wasn't very much interested in at the time. But now it got me thinking, was this just a marketing ploy to fool consumers into thinking there's no pesticide spraying all the while they just stopped spraying it because it was now builtin by using genetic modification?

The more I read about it the less happy I get and the more I long to migrating to some other country where I could have some land to produce my own food. Which is just not going to happen on my small balcony.

You'd be surprised what you could produce in containers on a small balcony.

Very interested in this topic over the last year. I just **finally** gave up soda to lower (and gradually get rid of) the HFCS in my diet.

I need to go back and find out how long GMO food have been in our food system. Could it be there is another reason for the increase in autism cases? My son is autistic (genetically) and we found that taking him off all gluten remarkably increased his ability to function. Many autistic kids benefit from a gluten free, casein free diet. Many of these kids also have intestinal problems often referred to as "leaky gut" which I saw earlier in the thread.

Hubby came down with Crohn's disease out of the blue at age 43. It's been a long tough road, but it's getting under control. I find that when I shop, I simply stay out of the middle of the store and have not bought processed "it's easy to cook" food in months. Rather a simple diet of organic meats, veggies, rice. I refuse to buy milk with rBGH in it.

Dear daughter had a sleep over when she was 8. The two friends she had over (8 and 9) one was wearing a bra out of necessity. The other had to ask to borrow a razor for her underarms - again from necessity. We've stayed away fro rBGH and DD has followed what I would consider "normal" development for her age.

It's all a bit frightening. What to do? Try to sway your (ha-ha) representatives, but I can't pay as much as Monsanto. Vote with purchases - and I do. Rattle the cage for GMO labeling early and often. Grow your own - just planted and readying the rest of the beds now. What these jerks will do for profit!

reply to post by McGinty


Potentially. To keep a long annoying science mumbo jumbo to a minimum, mind-melting diseases like Kuru and Alzheimer's are caused by rouge proteins. Basically what a rouge protein is is this. Say we take a healthy bunch of genes from your average human. These genes are compiled into tools the body uses. When you drink milk, if you're not allergic, the protein built from some gene code eats the lactose, and that activates a chemical reaction that digests the otherwise poisonous substance. However, if a rouge protein comes along, it might attach to the same activation site, and trigger a self-destruction codex within the genes. Now that doesn't mean every mutant protein is a rouge protein, it just means that if the mutant form is the correct thing, it can cause problems.

Think of it like this. There are many alcohols available to humanity. Some kill, some cause digestive problems, and some are in your beer. the OH bond is what makes it alcohol, everything else is completely changeable and exchangeable for whole molecular species.

These are not viruses, and they're not contagious, but if your means of food intake contain them, then it will just make the problem worse and worse.

From a scientific perspective, it's freaking awesome. It's legit black magic from an uneducated observation. But from a human perspective it's horror. Rogue proteins are the ultimate biological weapon. You can target any group, and only that group, and not afflict anyone else but that group. A properly prepared rogue protein biological attack could kill off all vegetarians with minimum side affects to the rest of the population, or kill off all soy eaters. Hell, if you were really evil, you could put it in the yeast used only by Hasidic Jews and kill them all off, or the yeast used in communion and kill off all Christians. It's a dangerous game. As long as one group of people stick to a specific dish or ingredient, you could kill them off. Completely.

But that's all potential. Not actual.

If you want to learn more, read up on Kuru. Here, this gives an example of what some bad Rouge Proteins have done.

(Mod note, there's tribal nakedness if that matters.)

I think you may be right.
And you best take a look at this.
[quote]Escherichia coli (E. coli) are harmless and also very useful intestinal bacteria with which we are living in symbiosis...
E.coli

useful intestinal bacteria!!!
what if GM has turnd it on us?
it fits what you say.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


I think you made some really good replies. Thanks for actually taking the time to respond to my gibberish.

I agree with pretty much most of your statements.

Also that is why I do not own a cell phone and only rarely use other friends phones like 5-6 times a year. Which is extremely low usage. That and the fact I think it's overpriced and I don't like having lots of bills to pay.

But no I agree I would personally avoid any contamination I possibly can. I make sure that I keep my kids away from industrial chemicals. I do let them play outside in the dirt and grass all the time, because I think nature can build and improve the immune systems of people in a safer more natural way. Sure seems better than disinfecting everything with some chemical that does who knows what to the children's health.

I don't really ever use disinfectants and we avoid additives in our food like preservatives. Also one of my least favorite additives is the notorious sugar substitutes. I admit I avoid this crap all the time. I simply refuse to eat it or allow my children to consume it.

When I said yeah go ahead and use cellphones or eat GM foods who cares, I was directing that towards people who actually don't care about themselves too much (vast majority of population). For the few people who are smart and think about things a lot, I would say yes of course we should avoid that crap. It's clearly not good for us that's just common sense, which isn't so common these days.

And this is why people cows and other creatures are being mutilated. The digestive track and other organs are deteriorated and malformed. Parts bare being harvested.

Just saying!!!

Originally posted by burntheships
Please read: Consumption of genetically engineered food leaves GMO genes permanently
living inside our guts and has staggering implications for humans, and animals and insects alike.

[Size=3]But hold on its really a clear and immediate danger, not just a lurking future threat.
The GE genes affect the intestines of bees and has
been linked to CCD!

So what does that mean for us humans?

Do you think this might have been intentional. The Culling? The Global Elite have found a way to kill masses of people and make it look like an accident. Didn't Obama just sign something allowing GMO alfalfa in, even though it had been legally blocked?

Didin't even read the story. Only the title. I can attest to this. I devoted a full month to eating nothing but GMO's to see if I can find any side effects. The only side effect I had was yes, pooping what I ate. 3 day's later. After this experiment I then went on to take the pill to replenish the bacteria in my digestive track, I now poop two times daily, as normal.

This is possible the most important thread i have seen on ATS for about 2 weeks now. I don't get why some threads reach the main page like they do. Then we get important threads that slip away unnoticed.
GMO looks and sounds more dangerous everytime we get new threads with new information about it. This one just takes it to a whole new level and its absolutely right. Putting everything together like the OP does, it makes so much sense as to why the bees and birds etc are all dying, the food they eat, the bacteria. Forget the swine flu and bird flu's. E-Coli seems to be the new one, I wonder if they will take out a new "vaccine" for this. Pretending it will cure this. Even though the only cure would appear to be..eating organic and natural foods.

Who actually believes only 500 Million humans can be allowed on earth to maintain balance? That sounds like B.S. to me.

I just saw on the news that They are blaming an Organic Farm for the outbreak. The shut the farm down and recalled all the food.

If it is true that GE food caused this outbreak, It looks like they are trying to get rid of Organic food all together by using this farm as a scapegoat.

reply to post by EpicLulz2012


Its a tricky scene over there for sure.

First they blamed cucumbers from Spain. They ruined Spains cucumber exports with
that move, and then find that it was not the cucumbers after all.

We willl see if this holds up under testing. Very interesting..

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Yes, clearly thanks for suming it up for me. I grew up a vegitarian & converted over throughout my youth & definatly I had experienced a spiritual/belief difference. I also wanted to add that nutruition is the bodys medication & reason for its well being/health without it the body suffers. On the topic eating cooked food is bad because your stomach treats it as if its toxic were as raw food doesnt, also keeps more nutriution. besides all that I just thought I'd throw in this last line to finish off my topic, which happens to be you are as old as you feel

This is really no surprise to me at all. My wife and I went on a raw-food only diet not long ago eating only organic foods as much as possible and we felt like a million bucks. We had energy, skin cleared up including eczema; it was amazing. And any time I read about someone eating only organic raw foods its the same story. People not getting sick for YEARS on end. Which brings me to my observation: Its not just Monsanto that we're up against here. Producers stand to lose millions if the truth about GMO goes viral, but if we all are enlightened to eating organic foods, and especially raw foods, and we should all happen to stop getting sick, then Big Pharma stands to lose also.

It wouldnt surprise me to learn that most forms of cancer are caused by the processed junk we eat on a daily basis. Actually, our doctor told us we (as humans) have cancer everyday, but our immune system is capable of fighting it off before it becomes an issue. If our immune systems are vastly healthier due to healthier diets it stands to reason, then, that cancer is preventable, no?

This thread just convinced me that my family is going raw again. Its not easy, but the benefits in health far outweigh the higher costs of the food we'll eat. S&F OP. Thanks for this thread.