Ancient Aliens Debunked?

reply to post by Anthony1138


I've literally lost my friends, because I believe our ancestors were stronger and smarter then these people are giving them credit for. People today have become so dependent on technology, they can't even comprehend how ancients lived without it.


I wish aliens came, and took me away. I'm tired of this species and their idiotic ways. Mine included.

reply to post by Anthony1138


We're definitely not the brightest species and sometimes it can seem like we're only getting dumber. I prefer to think of it the way George Carlin said, as a species we're barely out of the jungle. We've come a long way but we still got a long way to go.

I had taken it upon myself to start a blog question to really see what would be said in the norm of societal acceptances and disapproval's when it comes to this question being either a feasible or a fascination that only a few have come to see as a feasible possibility. 9 out of 10 times, the replies remained only as a point of view currently accepted by either religious or per-educated ideologies from their peer's or a clergy. The Bible is the main factor of these explanations of this scenario being "Impossible" due to the fact that "God" created the Universe and everything in it. I find this very interesting.
Though I am an Atheist, it is rather unsettling that there may very well be a mass hysteria that does exist in our reality of understanding. This lead me to add even more information with a more in-depth query to the question I had blogged. Now that I have done that, the responses have come to a low hum, where as before, I had people responding almost instantly to the resolution of the question. I am not saying I have the answer's to this dilemma, but I can see results and statistics as a result of the blogged question, and it is staggering how one tends to follow what one has learned by their experiences or influenced by ideological preconditioned thought perceptions.
Though the answers I am getting aren't too much more different than what one would find here, the principle idea that there are those out there that really don't have any other avenue of thought possibilities of there being another explanation for existence.
The "Ancient Alien Theory" has been around for a long time, yet there are those that have yet too be able to extrapolate on this theory for lack of awareness of this type of "Hypothetical" perception's. When I explain to some of the commentary's of the implication's between the biblical tales and the other ancient books that have been discovered before the time of Moses, they stop and think and the question always seems too be the same coming from them "Where can I read more about this?". I think personally that the reason for our lack of definitive answer's to this query is due to the lack of real whole hearted enthusiastic investigation by the one's who dubbed these ideas as absurd and redundant.
If there was more time spent on the field of study to this dilemma, such as biblical archeological digs too prove the biblical tales truly had presidence in our informative past, and was more openly accepted with written comparison's of texts and description's, we would surely find irrefutable ties that they are one in the same.
The human thought perception is an amazing thing!!

Just watched the latest Season 3 episode 2 Monsters and have to say I was very disappointed. I just found it very hokey. I'm a big fan of the series and the idea, but it was just hard to watch.

I think like a great many things, when it comes to any theory, you might have one truth and fifty interpretations or variations of it. The weak minded will always follow what's under their nose, and the rigid will follow facts into dead ends.

History shows knowledge and focused imaginative thinking offer the greatest rewards. I believe the most incredible things we might yet discover about ourselves and the universe are somewhere between fact and theory. Denying yourself those simple thoughts due to religion or overconfidence in known science is such a lost opportunity.

reply to post by Allred5923

the lack of real whole hearted enthusiastic investigation by the one's who dubbed these ideas as absurd and redundant.

What are you talking about? Archeologists enthusiastically investigate the past all the time. The fact that they are not specifically looking for ancient aliens is entirely irrelevant - they are looking for the truth, looking for answers and the scientific method is designed to follow the FACTS to the appropriate conclusion. You can call this trusting in the scientific method too much if you want but the method has proved to help reliably define reality better than any other method.

The Ancient Aliens series makes some interesting points, however it IS FULL of biased opinions presented as facts. It is very easy to watch the show and be entrapped by what they are saying and proposing. However, if you step away and look at the show from a different perspective, you see that they are basically just trying to keep the money train (which this series has turned into) running. I believe it could be possible, and even probable that aliens have visited us throughout our history, but it doesnt automatically mean that man misidentified them as angels or Gods, or that they gave us all of our technology across the world.

They present interesting theories that are fun to talk about, but the problem lies in that they present them all as facts with no other explanations

Originally posted by bigquestions

They present interesting theories that are fun to talk about, but the problem lies in that they present them all as facts with no other explanations

Much like religions of the world do. Make every claim as fact and take credit for things that are in no way provable.

They usually make a point of stating "Some believe" and "Is it possible that" on every single show, and it's not their job to present all the other possibilities that are already widely know or at least easily accessible. But I do agree they're already selling out somewhat. It's like they've already talked about the best content and now have to make new shows from what's left. It would be a shame if the "Jumped the Shark" so soon.

i like the ancient alien series, i also like the idea of it. IMHO much if not all of it belongs into the realm of fantasy.
whatever, I stumbled over a vid I really enjoy for some time now. It pretty much summes up why I chose to have an open mind on the subject. I'm sure it has been posted somewhere already, but for those who have missed it:

While I like the Ancient Aliens TV show on the history channel, they are getting real close to skidding on sensationalism and more modern day sightings and things on that show now. I think its about ran its course.

reply to post by CriticalCK


Cool video, don't need English to understand that.

Where ever the series ends up, I think it's done some good just getting people to look at things differently. I also think it's scares the absolute sh1t out of religious types because it challenges things in a logical plausible way that they just can't handle. It's the "Oh my God, that makes more sense than the bible" realization for many and it's easier to just go into denial mode.

Originally posted by Paschar0
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Cool video, don't need English to understand that.

Where ever the series ends up, I think it's done some good just getting people to look at things differently. I also think it's scares the absolute sh1t out of religious types because it challenges things in a logical plausible way that they just can't handle. It's the "Oh my God, that makes more sense than the bible" realization for many and it's easier to just go into denial mode.

Totally agree

As I stated before, the hardcore religious fanatics are not willing to accept the 'higher power' is not magical or supernatural....

And the die-hard atheists are not ready to accept anything 'higher' than them.

reply to post by ButterCookie

And the die-hard atheists are not ready to accept anything 'higher' than them.

Not sure I'd consider myself a Die Hard Atheist, whatever that is, but I resent this statement wholly. I would love to know that there something beyond the human race. We're just a bunch of apes really, not all that special and to know that there's something smarter, wiser, that's been around for longer, would be a profoundly good discovery. However simply because I want something to be true doesn't mean I throw skepticism, sound reasoning and intellectual honesty out the window in order to indulge in a fantasy that frankly makes almost the identically same mistakes religion does.

In this thread I've talked about the Alien of the Gaps arguments made by believers in AAH. They're almost identical to the God of the gaps arguments I hear from believers in God all the time.

"Well you don't know how the Universe got here so therefore GOD is a good explanation."

"Well you don't know how the stones at Puma Punku got there so therefore ALIENS is a good explanation"

Tell me that you don't see the resemblance in those arguments

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


It can be frustrating hearing opinions touted as facts, especially from people we don't respect. A lot of things start out that way. I give more weight to someone who's intelligent, has at least some experience on the subjects and can demonstrate critical thinking vs someone who just parrots a group think declaration with little to back it up.

Einstein was ridiculed, mocked and accused of making claims with absolutely no proof and for a time that was actually true until it was finally possible to prove his theories were mostly very much correct.

We might not have the convincing proof to hold up right now for either God or Alien arguments, but that doesn't mean the same result as Einstein's won't one day be a reality too does it?

I find it an ironic example really, because I personally believe "God" created the universe that includes "Aliens"

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What are you talking about? Archeologists enthusiastically investigate the past all the time. The fact that they are not specifically looking for ancient aliens is entirely irrelevant - they are looking for the truth, looking for answers and the scientific method is designed to follow the FACTS to the appropriate conclusion. You can call this trusting in the scientific method too much if you want but the method has proved to help reliably define reality better than any other method.

What I was pertaining too was the fact that most mainstream archeologists and scientists of the echelons of these facilitated groups aren't open to take the the "High" road to achieving other answers other than what they currently know and have nothing else to compare their finds too other than preexisting archeological and scientifically categorized assumptions.
I do agree with you about the fantastic finds that have been made thus far, but too really write off ancient texts that predate the biblical or religious texts by thousands of years as nothing more than sheer "Mythologies" or "Stories of Morality" when they clearly do seem to have the same kind of chronological depictions (Same story, different character's) as nothing really extraordinary other than being a tale told for amusement and entertainment.
If one takes the the Gambit of information provided by such amazing finds, and 'Open minded' assessment of the chances of something like this happening as nothing more than chance, it becomes relevant that it was the 'Easy Road' that was set before them to explain such instances of corroboration from one text to another.
Even though I am one of those that does lean towards the AA theory being an acceptable diagnosis with incredible backing evidences, I do remain on the fence for this being factual, "A grain of salt" is just that, "A grain of salt", but too not see these instances for the potential they hold as an explanation of our very existence as a species, it becomes lop sided and rather closed minded to say 'We have figured this out by using evolution and/or the Bible.'
I am not saying Alien's did start the human race as we know it, but it is a real possibility it may be the answers to all of our questions and perception's thus far brought to the table as food for thought.

Nice job on the thread although the 33 pages were a bit long to read it was still enjoyable seeing the differing opinions. I have watched the first few seasons of the show and at the beginning was fascinated at all the evidence they provided for aliens having a part in our past but recently it seems like they are running out of evidence and are more interested in showing some movie promo rather than looking for real signs of alien existence in our past. I recently begin reading William Bramley's book gods of Eden and thought his claims were way more interesting and consistent then the television series. Bramley explains his theories on how aliens have had a long-lasting mostly negative impact on human existence. He begins with the ancient Sumerian texts in which the Sumerians write about how the gods became tired of mining on their own and created a new species by putting a god to death and mixing it with clay, a process that was possibly genetic engineering. The end result was homo sapien sapiens, a byproduct of the gods and the original homo sapiens. The original homo sapiens or homo sapien neanderthalensis also disappeared at the same time homo sapiens sapiens appeared suggesting that the gods might have exterminated the original homo sapiens to make room for the new slave race. Ancient tablets credit one god in particular EA as being creator of the slave race. EA is described as being sympathetic to his creation fighting for them to gain spiritual knowledge in contrast to his half-brother Enlil who wanted them to suffer and would call for famines and plagues when they got too noisy. Eventually Enlil called for a great flood to wipe out the homo sapiens. It seems to be agreed that many archeologists believe there was a great flood in the near east thousands of years ago. The Epic of Gilgam

Nice job on the thread although the 33 pages were a bit long to read it was still enjoyable seeing the differing opinions. I have watched the first few seasons of the show and at the beginning was fascinated at all the evidence they provided for aliens having a part in our past but recently it seems like they are running out of evidence and are more interested in showing some movie promo rather than looking for real signs of alien existence in our past. I recently begin reading William Bramley's book gods of Eden and thought his claims were way more interesting and consistent then the television series. Bramley explains his theories on how aliens have had a long-lasting mostly negative impact on human existence. He begins with the ancient Sumerian texts in which the Sumerians write about how the gods became tired of mining on their own and created a new species by putting a god to death and mixing it with clay, a process that was possibly genetic engineering. The end result was homo sapien sapiens, a byproduct of the gods and the original homo sapiens. The original homo sapiens or homo sapien neanderthalensis also disappeared at the same time homo sapiens sapiens appeared suggesting that the gods might have exterminated the original homo sapiens to make room for the new slave race. Ancient tablets credit one god in particular EA as being creator of the slave race. EA is described as being sympathetic to his creation fighting for them to gain spiritual knowledge in contrast to his half-brother Enlil who wanted them to suffer and would call for famines and plagues when they got too noisy. Eventually Enlil called for a great flood to wipe out the homo sapiens. It seems to be agreed that many archeologists believe there was a great flood in the near east thousands of years ago. The Epic of Gilgamesh claims how a Babylonian named Utnapishtim was approached by EA and told that a wipe out of homo sapiens sapiens was planned. He was instructed to gather his family and livestock and build a ship to survive the flood which they did. This story is strikingly similar to Noah's ark as is the story of Adam and Eve. The god or lord god of the bible's Adam and Eve can be translated as the original god of earth. The story which is entirely symbolic says how Adam who is first man, was created by god from the dust of ground an idea reflected from the older belief that people were created partly with clay. Adam's wife Eve was also created artificially and they lived in the Garden of Eden where they were told that all of their physical needs would be met as long as they obeyed their masters and stayed in the garden. They were also told never to eat fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which symbolizes an understanding of ethics and justice or the tree of life which represents how to retain one's spiritual identity and immortality. A snake convinces them to eat fruit from the tree and become like the gods. The gods did not want mankind to be able to spiritually recover as it would be difficult to make people who maintained their integrity and sense of ethics slaves and even harder when those same individuals are undowed by physical threats because of a reawakened grasp of their spiritual immortality. The gods wanted to permanently attach the spiritual beings to their bodies so they used the flaming sword to prevent them from gaining spiritual knowledge and never rising above material existence. A common misconception is that Adam and Eve were embarrassed about being naked as they ate from the tree of knowledge but it was not being naked that shamed them it was what nakedness represented. Ancient Mesopotamian records depict human beings as being naked while working while the gods were fully clothed. The implication is that Adam and Eve were degraded by their nakedness because it was the sign of their enslavement not that being naked in itself is bad. The brotherhood of the snake was created by EA and was devoted in the beginning to helping humans achieve spiritual salvation however were incapable to do so much like the snake in the Adam and Eve. EA was villonized his title changed from Prince of Earth to Prince of darkness and was labeled Satan or the mortal enenmy of a supreme being and keeper of hell. The brotherhood of the snake created a group of one god religions that such as Islam,Christianity, and Judiasm to keep people divided and created apocalyptic beliefs that constant final battles are necessary to achieve a new period of spiritual salvation. In my personal opinion and I may be wrong but it appears today most religions including Christianity and Islam calling for final battles with Christianity warning of an Antichrist that will lead people to one other religion and one government, things that would probably be beneficial in a sense of being united but things the gods don't want. The Tower of Babel bibel story suggests that the gods would rather have a group of people disunited and unable.to speak the same language, a bad position for the human race and something that contrasts greatly with what our gods are supposed to want for us. It should be noted that Zechariah Sitchin provides the Sumerian tablet translations and I provided the views on the Antichrist, Christianity, and Islam from what I inferred from reading.

Anything with that guy with the bird hair on can't be taken seriously, I like the idea of ancient aliens but the show goes too far in believing itself to convince anyone but a believer.

I find a few points intriguing. The Naza falttops for example, where you have mountains with their top taken off, although that could be explained with glacial movements. Then you have cultures who build walls with massive stoneblocks, which fit peferctly upon one another, which means they must have had some way to superheat stone.