Death threats sent to top climate scientists

Death threats sent to top climate scientists

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Several of the scientists in Canberra have been moved to a more secure location after receiving the threats over their research.

Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats and abusive phone calls, threatening to attack the academics in the street if they continue their research.

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The Australian government are in the process of legislating a tax on carbon emissions, with the intention to transition to a market-based emissions trading scheme in the near future.

The heavily polluting industries of course are opposed to this, and have taken a very active role in the media in recent months (including one mining-magnate billionaire buying a 10% stake in one of the national television networks and 5% in the second-largest newspaper networks).

The Murdoch press (a very large part of the MSM in Australia) editorialises strongly against the existance of AGW, and imposition of any market-based scheme to reduce carbon emissions, and a fairly large proportion of the Australian population believe likewise.



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The Australian government are in the process of legislating a tax on carbon emissions, with the intention to transition to a market-based emissions trading scheme in the near future.

You forgot a word in there.

It should have said :

The Australian government are in the process of legislating a tax on carbon emissions, with the intention to transition to a market-based emissions trading ponzi scheme in the near future.

There. Much more accurate. This whole business is a big scam.

i thought the federal reserve was the greatest scam in world history

but taxing carbon and destroying trillion dollar industries wins out.

leave it up to morons.

reply to post by whatisanameanyway


Not all of us think its not happening, there is many people here i know who are very concerned.
Ill be the first to admit Australia should be pulling its finger out and leading the world in alternative energy, we have the sun and wind for it, and the knowledge and skills.
but as tax incentives are few and far between for those areas at the moment its hard to get a foot in the door.
but more and more people are going off the grid installing solar on their homes, its slowly taking off.

reply to post by sprocket2cog

The majority of Aussie's are against it,these scientist are getting paid to say we need a carbon tax,their not gonna kill their golden goose by saying we don't need one,Maybe people are pissed because our halfwit prime minister lied and told us repeatedly before the last election "THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX" ,if she believes so strongly about it why didn't she go to the election on it ?
do you really believe Australia getting a carbon tax will change anything? beside job loses , company's going overseas and the cost of living sky rocketing,i don't,we account for 1% of the worlds pollution,

Get 100 people smoking in a small room,remove 1 person,what's changed in that room? not bloody much really,shut down Australia completely today and it won't make an ounce of difference to the world's pollution,
But hey if your so happy about the carbon tax can you pay mine for me?

reply to post by Travlla


LOL, i hear you, i dont think the tax is the right way to go. investing in being the world leaders in alternative energy infasructure is.
then we can be instrumental in helping fix problems, instead of being one of the worst.
but someone has to do something first.
as you say if we removed australia the world would still be the same.
but the world has been changed by one man many times..
so even if we are small, we can set a precedent.
be part of the solution, not the problem..

Originally posted by sprocket2cog
reply to post by whatisanameanyway

 

Not all of us think its not happening, there is many people here i know who are very concerned.
Ill be the first to admit Australia should be pulling its finger out and leading the world in alternative energy, we have the sun and wind for it, and the knowledge and skills.
but as tax incentives are few and far between for those areas at the moment its hard to get a foot in the door.
but more and more people are going off the grid installing solar on their homes, its slowly taking off.

I agree it is a noble idea to save the Earth.

But the Australian Government has sold to an Indian Billionare for 1.8 billion dollars the rights to lease a major coal loading terminal in Queensland .
he has also bought mining leases and plans to MINE.... SIXTY MILLION TONNES OF AUSTRALIAN COAL in order to wait for it.......start up a NEW COAL FIRED ELECTRICITY GENERATION COMPANY IN INDIA.

Hypocrisy?
Yes .....arguments for NO ....please be free to argue.
So if its all lies (the intentions of the Carbon tax) what is the real reason?
In the words of A rabid Bugs Bunny " hey mac gimme your wallet" Ihave run out of free carrots.

reply to post by Dr Expired


Yeah i know deals like this are happening, but i know ill be trying to make it better one step at a time. its all i can do.
I hope gillard dosnt sleep well at night.. but i think like most politicians she is too shallow to see.
If i can get one person to change the way they think today, i might help change the world tomorrow.
i dont pretend its not going to get worse, but at least i can try to make a dent in i a bit.
But near where i live at the moment for example they are trying to close the worst coal fired plant in australia
. hazelwood.
so it is happening.
www.theage.com.au...

reply to post by whatisanameanyway


Others are right, It's a huge Ponzi scheme where as usual the money men will push the price up and up as they have done with futures trading on many other resources such as petrol/oil...

Also, if the Government was truly worried about "World Wide" climate change then it would NOT allow exporting of out coal to countries that use that coal less efficiently and causing far more pollution..
But instead, coal is leaving our shores just as fast as they can fill the ships..
How's that caring about the world??

Someone also mentioned we should have subsidies..
Actually I think we must have tariffs here instead because we seem to have the most expensive solar panels in the world..

Our corrupt Government seems to always use a STICK instead of a CARROT...

Originally posted by sprocket2cog
reply to post by Dr Expired

 

Yeah i know deals like this are happening, but i know ill be trying to make it better one step at a time. its all i can do.
I hope gillard dosnt sleep well at night.. but i think like most politicians she is too shallow to see.
If i can get one person to change the way they think today, i might help change the world tomorrow.
i dont pretend its not going to get worse, but at least i can try to make a dent in i a bit.
But near where i live at the moment for example they are trying to close the worst coal fired plant in australia
. hazelwood.
so it is happening.
www.theage.com.au...

I hear your Earnestness so star fer ye.
All Iam saying is beware of Wolves in Sheeps clothing (arrgh a nother cliche) its no use us cleaning Aussie skies and then selling more and more coal to developing nations.
Unless of course we want to suffocate them.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
This whole business is a big scam.

It is. But that's not the scientists' fault. Any more than Walton and Cockroft were responsible for Chernobyl.

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Vitchilo
This whole business is a big scam.

It is. But that's not the scientists' fault. Any more than Walton and Cockroft were responsible for Chernobyl.

I guess that depends on what the scientists are saying and also what they're NOT saying..

I mean, now the all seem to talking about the last 100 or so years..
Why are they not trying to explain the medieval warm periods??
Or many other know historic changes in climate?
We may not have instrument recordings from back then but we can certainly see from writings that climate has changed many times, well before fossil fuels were used..

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www.skepticalscience.com...

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by backinblack

 

www.skepticalscience.com...

Yeah, a lot of cherry picked data with graphs staring at different centuries to leave out important data..
Reading the comments below is always a good thing to get a view other than the authors..
www.skepticalscience.com...

I could also post multiple sites from skeptics which are just as convincing..

As for saying that 97% of scientists agree with MMGW, try getting a Government grant or even a job if you don't..

reply to post by backinblack


There are thousands of climatologists each specialising in different areas and different time periods - those studing current climate change in Australia will not be looking at palynological data for cimate change in Africa 1,000 years ago, for example.

In any case, just because an event occurred in the past for one reason does not mean that is the only reason for such an event to occur now.

It should be noted that due to decreasing axial tilt, we should be experiencing a slight long term cooling, so whatever the cause of a warm period in the past, the same cause, all else being equal, may result in slightly less warming today. But it's quite a compicated subject.

Nonetheless, whatever the cause of past climate chnage does not change the fact that massive deforestation and other land use change and pollution (brown cloud, soot etc) has been occurring in the past 100 years which did not occur any time previously. And this impact climate, both regional and global.

Humans are affecting the climate.

Of course, threatening scientists with death because they don't tell you what you want to hear is nothing new.

As Gallileo will tell you.

Why is it that we always have to PAY for the mistakes of the people in power? Thats my question.

They are the ones who are to blame for not looking for ways beforehand to cut emmissions and work in unison with the planet instead of against it.

I have no choice wheather our government builds a wind farm or a coal power station. So why should our cost of living have to rise in order to fix their planning mistakes.

reply to post by Essan

Humans are affecting the climate.

I don't think anyone would deny that but even the scientists can't tell us to what extent we are contributing.

Also, here in Australia it seems it will be the middle and lower income earners that will feel the pain of this new TAX..

If you have the money, you can afford to pollute..
How's that a fair system???

Originally posted by backinblack

If you have the money, you can afford to pollute..
How's that a fair system???

It's not.

But it works at all levels. For example, a lot of people drop litter in the street. Because they are quite happy to pay taxes to employ someone to come along and clean up after them. But if no-one dropped litter our taxes need not be so high*. We'd all benefit. Those with money though would rather pay than use the shiveled walnut they call a brain.


* in theory