Why is everyone so down on organized religion?

Wasn't it Jesus himself who founded the Catholic church? Didn't he form the churches hierarchy?
Didn't he make Peter the head of his church, then the apostles, then the disciples? Wasn't the "Acts of the apostles" all about the building of the church that Christ found? How can people call themselves Christians and not adhere to Christs teachings?

I thought Jesus was against organized religion.

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Probably because the Bible is the most over-interpreted book on the face of the earth. On one hand you get people quoting scriptures as literal meaning and then if that doesn't work in their favor they say it's supposed to be interpreted a different way. I've never met ONE person in my life who has lived their life in direct accordance to the bible. Probably never will either.

Because it's organized...and it's religion.

That about sums it up for me.

My friend, I'm not so sure you wanted to open that can of worms. I myself have put to rest many of the claims about evil within the church. Some don't want to listen to truth. The Church gets a bad rap because of the pedophila scandal that is being mediatized. I don't think that the Church is handling it correctly but I do not denounce my faith either. Hold true brother. "Upon this Rock"!!!

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Religion is poison, protect the children.

Religion.

Just don't do it.

Just look at our history.

Just about every war and atrocity our world has seen has been because of organized religion.
It's one thing to fight over physical 'stuff', but fighting for intangible and unfalsifiable claims to me is just insane!
And it all starts with organized religion.

People kill over beliefs, that is why I try to have ideas about the world we live in.
Nobody gets hurt for ideas!

Usually goes hand in hand with self-righteousness and the ugliest of egos. Oh well, all roads do eventually lead to enlightenment.

Originally posted by Theophorus
Why is everyone so down on organized religion?

Religion has been the basis for most of the wars on this planet. Just that one point alone is enough to throw organized religion under the bus.

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cause they pervert belief for monetary gain and control.
next question.

Originally posted by Theophorus
Wasn't it Jesus himself who founded the Catholic church? Didn't he form the churches hierarchy?
Didn't he make Peter the head of his church, then the apostles, then the disciples? Wasn't the "Acts of the apostles" all about the building of the church that Christ found? How can people call themselves Christians and not adhere to Christs teachings?

No. lol Church is any communion of people. It does not need to be a structure, and it does not need to be "organized." You know how Jesus mostly preached? He moved about, often on the streets and in the wilderness. People who were willing to hear came to and with him, there was no force or condemnation like there is today in some organized religions.

The Romans are the ones that founded the Catholic church, hence why it's properly called "The Roman Catholic Church."

Jesus didn't organize a religion -- this happened a few centuries after his time here.

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Because of the lack of thinking I encountered when talking to members of all kind, in christanity by the way. There were also holes in the story and when I was a child and asked the teachers about them it was basiclly dissmissed, as well we just don't know, those types of awnsers got to me if they had put forth some kinda of explanation I would of like it more. If you are going to believe in something why not know about? believe to the full extant or don't most people are some where in the middle I also didn't like that.

so ya there are few things I didn't like

They're not against it.
Everybody follows some organized stream of religion.
Religion answers those questions we otherwise have no proof of answering.
So even a lot of atheism is religion when they state that "there is nothing after death", which they have no way of knowing.

"Organized religion" is often simply the religion you don't like.

So New Agers might complain about how "organized religion" exploits gullible people financially.
Then they enter the New Age store and buy 4 packs of incense, 2 crystals and a meditation CD.

It's like people in my youth used to complain about "commercial music", and then they all bought the same "alternative" albums.
It was the most commercial thing ever.
Non-commercialism doesn't exist in the music industry, they make money from all of it.

1. Because their the first to judge people.

2. Because a lot of wars have been started in the name of religion.

3. Because most ministers or the church fill their pockets with money of their flock and live high on the hog.

4. Because most of the leaders of religion have the worst morals than the people they preach to.

5. Most will support war and capital punishment, yet claim they're pro-life.

6. Religion uses fear to control their followers.

7. If there is one God why is there over 21 different religions?

8. Some of the meanest people I know are faithful church goers.

9. I was once an alter boy and witnessed how priests live better than a lot of their parishioners. Some had vulgar mouths worst than a truck drivers. (Don't mean to degrade truck drivers )

10. Because the bible has some scriptures removed to appease various beliefs.

11. Any religion that kills in the name of God is going against the same commandments they preach about, "I shall not kill."

12. Because some of the stories in the bible are just completely far fetched and ridiculous if you have any kind of logical mind.

13. The Vatican is known to keep secrets hidden from the public in their archives.

14. Because most religions preach like they know what happens after you die.

15. Any religious organization that defends or tries hiding priest that molest children can't be taken seriously as a religious organization that follow Christs teachings.

16. Because religions can't explain the gap in the bible between the time Jesus was in his teens up until the time before he was crucified.

17. Having been a Catholic, I could never understand how mortal man can have the power to designate who should be designated as a "Saint." (I'm sure there are a lot of good unknown people who have died that could have been declared "saints."

18. Praying to saints goes against the first commandment.

19. There are a lot more sins that can be added to the 10 commandments that are not included.

I could add more, but this list is getting too long.

Originally posted by Theophorus
Wasn't it Jesus himself who founded the Catholic church? Didn't he form the churches hierarchy?
Didn't he make Peter the head of his church, then the apostles, then the disciples? Wasn't the "Acts of the apostles" all about the building of the church that Christ found? How can people call themselves Christians and not adhere to Christs teachings?

Jesus never made any reference at all to or even mention the roman church, its popes or any other breakaway denominations ???

Why???

After all GOD Created ALL things, (NOT some things) including the future.

Jesus never made any reference at all, regarding any bible or even mentioned such a book would be published.

The bible is the largest seller of all books. It generates Cash. $$$$$$$ for Who ????

"The Book of LIFE" is Free It does NOT Generate Cash or $$$$$$$

GOD gave you the gift of LIFE for FREE He did NOT charge you anything in the way of $$$$.

From "The Dialogue of The Savior". parts of verse 141 & 142 Quote;

Mariam said, “I want to know how All things exist.”

The Lord said, “Whoever seeks LIFE knows this,
for this is their Wealth.

For the enjoyment of this world is a LIE,
and its gold and its silver is ERRO.”

His disciples said to Him, “What shall we do
in order that our work may be Perfect?”

The Lord said to them,
“Be prepared before The ALL.

142. Blessed is the man who has found The INTERPRETATION
about This THOUGHT,

THE STRUGGLE WITH THE EYES.

Jesus being who He is, why would he get the "Species" (the Offspring of the wicked one) who is Coirrupt in every way to produce a bible when He himself can and has produced "The Book of LIFE".

As it is witten the Flesh Wars against The Soul.

It is Written in "The Gospel of Thomas" in verse 56 Quote;

56. Jesus said,

“Whoever has come to understand the World
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse,
is superior to the World.”

Why would Jesus get the Dead to produce a bible ???

See the Quote above.....

There is Nowhere in the bible that Jesus says to produce the Roman Church or any other breakaway denomination or even produce the bible. Nor does He make mention of any pope or other religious leaders fom any of the churches of the Species or Flesh..

However Jesus did say Quote;

"Let NOT you put your trust in anyone, but The Father Only..."

Originally posted by TheInterceptor
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Religion is poison, protect the children.

Religion is not the reason for the evils against children....but there are many within the churches..that do evil to children.

I will say I find it odd,that you spout off against religion , and seem to claim to want to protect the children, yet your avatar is really making a mockery of little children. That is one ugly avatar,and hopefully that is a mask made from fake noses,and such..(shudders)

Originally posted by Theophorus
Wasn't it Jesus himself who founded the Catholic church? Didn't he form the churches hierarchy?
Didn't he make Peter the head of his church, then the apostles, then the disciples? Wasn't the "Acts of the apostles" all about the building of the church that Christ found? How can people call themselves Christians and not adhere to Christs teachings?

I'm not sure where you got the information Jesus founded the catholic church , but I remember hearing the same when I was a catholic. There is no proof of that. There was some kind of church structure , as stated in the bible, but as far as all the different levels ,and hierarchy ,I really think that was mans doing.

People call themselves whatever they want nowadays,and have their excuses,and reasons why they do.

If anything has been so twisted around ,that it barely resembles what it was originally, its the bible.
But many say, that it was not the real word of God anyhow, and is man made stuff.

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Regarding the interpretation of the word church and were it came from.

"The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Philippians" Ch. 3 verse 20 Quote;

For our Conversation is in Heaven;
from whence we look for the Saviour,
The Lord Jesus Christ:
who will change our vile body,
that it may be fashioned like
unto His Glorious body,
according to the Working
whereby Hr is able
even to subdue all things
unto Himself.

Note their Conversation is NOT on the Earth but is in Heaven…

This relates to The SOUL and NOT the Flesh.

The Word church is a miss-translation from the Word "ASSEMBLIES" used in the original Greek writings.
The Latin version was translated from the Greek.

The "Assemblies" refers to The "Assemblies of Lights" which involves the SOUL, NOT the Flesh.

The Flesh Lusts after LIFE, but is at WAR with the Soul.

All the writings are about "The Metamorphoses of The Soul" NOT the Flesh.

Remember the Story of the disciples on the Road to Emmaus, where they did not recognise Jesus who appeared as a stranger to them ??? But later revealed Himself in the body they were familiar with.

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"Wasn't it Jesus himself who founded the Catholic church? Didn't he form the churches hierarchy?
Didn't he make Peter the head of his church, then the apostles, then the disciples?"

Oh, heavens no! You really should research the history of the origins of the Roman Catholic Church and the office of the Pope.

The Church of Jerusalem started on the day of Pentecost. From there, Christianity spread rapidly to the major cities of the Middle East. Among the first centers of Christianity, after Jerusalem, were Antioch, Ephesus, Alexandria, and Rome. For the first 400 years or so, Rome was quite Orthodox – in every sense. Then, as a result of differences in language, political circumstances, and geography, they began to change. The Bishops of Rome (Popes) started lusting after more and more political power. Unhappy with being recognized as “first among equals” by their fellow Bishops in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople (and also Ephesus,) the Bishops of Rome began to demand that the church recognize them as the “supreme Bishop” of the whole Church. Toward the end of the 6th century, a council of Western Bishops (under Rome) changed the traditional church doctrine to read that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND THE SON (”Filioque” in Latin.) The Eastern Orthodox churches objected that this destroyed the doctrine of the Trinity by undermining the Personhood of the Holy Spirit. It made the Holy Spirit merely a force generated by the interaction of the Father and the Son. Rome would not listen. Their faith in the Holy Spirit began to erode, and it showed in their doctrine. Unsure of the Holy Spirit’s ability to guide the Church, Rome continued to falsely boost the centralized power of the Papacy. In time they came to believe the Pope to be infallible in matters of doctrine. Unsure of the Holy Spirit’s ability to pray with us and for us, they elevated Mary and the Saints to almost be a means of “getting around Jesus.” The Eastern Orthodox churches objected, Rome would not listen. In 1054 the crisis came to a head. A Papal legate, in a fit of anger over the Orthodox church’s “refusal” to acknowledge the Pope’s inflated claims and warped doctrine, excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople. The Patriarch then in turn excommunicated the Pope. Efforts were made to reconcile. But the Pope would not give up his claims to power, and the Orthodox Church would not compromise on their doctrine. Rome went independent. Unchecked by any kind of “peer review” by the Eastern Patriarchs, Rome’s theological innovations proceeded unchecked. Within 500 years after this, the doctrines of the RCC became so warped that they incited a revolution – the Protestant Reformation. Rome still retains some external customs which identify them as a former member of the Orthodox community, But at their core, they departed from Orthodox Christianity long ago.