A New Threat To ATS has emerged

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
there are members claiming or insinuating to be part of Anonymous

It's my understanding -- and not through assumption, rumor, or anecdotes -- that those who really involved with the hacktivist group tend not to announce or otherwise brag about it. There may be 4Chan denizens who, through association with others, believe themselves to be peripherally involved, and I suppose it's possible those are the types who might want to boast.

Just for the record...

I, anon72, an not part of any ANON group.

Thank you.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Oh i'm positive they aren't really part of Anon
I'm just thinking the threat of them saying so is dangerous on a site this size.
Especially nowadays.

But if ATS Staff and yourself are cool with it then i'm cool with it too

first rule of Fight Club......

No one is ever going to self-identify as part of an organization which claims responsibility for offenses that merit prosecution. That would be fairly stupid.

... It's sort of similar to the idea that no US government spokesperson or public official would ever state "We torture people."

Also, many people may 'want' to claim they are affiliated with or part of 'rebel' set of Netizens... but they are, I suspect, "rebels without a clue."

That is the smartest thing I have ever heard, let's piss off a bunch of very good hackers sounds like a good idea? Geniuses and then when something does happen to those idiots naturally it will be a government agent instead of their own stupidity.

Anon is not an organization or even a real "group". Usually they simply do some DDoS attacks on servers and sites they don't like.

To me it looks like a kind of protest and not a crime, but I don't know the laws of all the countries where they acted yet. If I read about members, who where caught, they usually were youngsters, who pranked about their "deeds" in the internet.

So I think, they are only a threat to themselves, because they are not anon(ymous) anymore.

The Wisdom Of Anonymity

Some relevant sections from the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use:

15). Posting: You will not Post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate. You will not solicit personal information from any member. You will not use information gathered from this website to harass, abuse or harm other people.

So claiming to be a member of Anonymous without actually being a member of Anonymous would violate the T&C and could get you banned.

Meanwhile...

16e.) Illicit Activity: Discussion of illicit activities, specifically the use of mind-altering drugs & substances, engaging in computer hacking, promoting criminal hate, discussing sexual relations with minors, and furtherance of financial schemes and scams are strictly forbidden. You will also not link to sites or online content that contains discussion or advocacy of such material. Any Post mentioning or advocating personal use of illicit mind-altering drugs will result in immediate account termination.

Actually being a member of Anonymous and claiming to engage in computer hacking would also violate the T&C and could get you banned.

Conclusion: Making such claims is not recommended for anyone interested in continued ATS membership.

reply to post by Acidtastic


Are we really heavily monitored by the government?

reply to post by neformore


In another thread I made a similar post; we are all anonymous.

As to the op, I also disagree, the free exchange of ideas must be kept at this site. If someone wants to say they are anonymous, it is their right. It is also they who would face the consequences.

Originally posted by wildoracle13
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Are we really heavily monitored by the government?

That depends.... who are "we"? Which government? What do they "monitor"?

I think this virtual community can be said to be quite a valuable asset to some... and that includes people we would consider 'in the government.' But not everything is nefarious and evil....

On the other hand, what could they possibly get from the effort of sifting through this.

No doubt all sorts of automated systems are all over the net, scanning. I accept that as part and parcel of a 'public gathering place' ... when human judgement gets involved I start to worry.... because at that point individual motivations and failings come into play....

I would say the answer is a generalized "no."

reply to post by wildoracle13
simple answer yes we are, on the web on the road at the store in the privacy of your home.
As far as the op's thread goes well if you stop and think about we all are part of it for when we bring to light , what TPTB does not want us to see nor talk about then yes we are part of that as far as hacking goes well there are threads on here that say we are just that by post links to other sites like you tube, how many have done that. And how many of us have looked the Wiki leaks site???

I really wouldn't worry too much, the real members of anon wont come on forums bragging they are a member for cool points and kudos, the real members move in silence and you wouldnt even know if you were talking to one. More likely you have some clowns from 4chan who have down loaded a loic and now think they are cyber terrorists, or they frequent places like darknet and think they are uber cool. The braggarts on here fit this discriptrion imo and are harmless just ignore them they will soon get bored and jog on to some teeny bopper forum where kids will think they are really cool.

reply to post by Maxmars


Thank god you say no. The answer to your whos and whats for me was a very generalized fantastical idea of some government dudes sitting in a quarantined, top secret control room reading ATS threads and reporting back to HQ on what the ATSers are up to now. I just don't wanna have a reason to get all paranoid. Not like I know anything that the general public doesn't have access to know. Thanks tho.

reply to post by bekod


Dude, that's how I found this site. I was probably looking for crypo type vids on youtube or something and BAM! I turned into an ignorace denier. But on a positive note, I am not afraid of TPTB and what they see me doing or typing. I am just a crazy tin foil hat wearing basement dweller. Wait...cubicle dweller.

I would not worry to much about it. anon, started over at 4chan and probly *still* hangs there and its still up. the whole thing about being anon is not having any links or trace to the real you. and, as others have posted above.

yea, anon roots go way back to the hacker blackhat sub_culture. The whole culture of anon is decentralized
but i am VERY sure there are shot callers, or "heavyweights" . and any key players are all going to have a very strict code of silence. anyone else, is just supporting cast and bit players.

the other thing someone posted, was that anon = CIA, i kinda doubt it really I do. because the CIA hackers dont need anon, they would just be shadows....

All in all I come to the conclusion, that everybody in this thread is under a big threat now. Too bad, that I wrote here!
Anon will come and get me!

Lucky me! I don't have a real internet presentation right now!

The government would assign maybe a janitor to monitor ats..... i think some people give themselves a weee bit too much credit on what they are capable of 'exposing' making their posts a threat to national security.

I do hope we stop using the term e terrorist.... don't fall for that manipulation....first they sold you the reds under your beds, your next threat were the muslims, and now you want to label yourselves e terrorists so it gives the government excuses to monitor and control free speech on the internet....Patriot act 2.1 where you can only subscribe to certain places, bit like china.......its coming your way if you all buy into the latest scaremongering sales pitch.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I consider Anon to be e-terrorists, I do not like them because it's not non-violent protests, it is violent and costs businesses money and maybe even jobs and also they help deter liberties.

I consider pentagon to be a terrorist organisation. I do not like them because they help wage illegal wars on other countries which results in deaths of numerous innocent lives, ruin economies and countries as a whole.

During a time when the Pentagon is saying that cyber attacks are acts of war I don't think that this is a good idea to have on this site.

Good that the laws outside US are not made by Pentagon. You see this being a international website and all people from different countries also visit here which do not follow the laws made by pentagon or US govt. but I guess you forgot that having left India so early and been living in US for so long.

So you can't talk about being a user of certain "substances" or "plants" which may very well be LEGAL where you live, but you can talk about being a part of a felonious organization without any problems here on ATS? If you say you are involved with Anon, you are talking about committing a felony. But it's not OK to talk about doing something that is legal depending on where you are, or maybe just a misdemeanor.

The rules here at ATS baffle me. It's so ironic that a site that brags about it's motto "deny ignorance" that the rules are so blatantly IGNORANT.

I'm sure someone will delete or edit my post even though it doesn't violate any T&C at all. Gotta love double standards and censorship. The way this site is run is a perfect example of why tyrannical governments are never going to go away, because anytime someone is in charge of something they always end up acting the same way.