A female Navy Seal? not yet.

Salt is a Hollywood movie and your attemps at shocking the public are getting old. Go back to the kiddie table and let the adults have a discussion.

Originally posted by Heartisblack

Salt was an MK-Ultra trained killer, movie was based on a real woman. That was the difference, she was a soulless killing machine. I wouldn't hesitate slitting your throat either, I'm 14, female and really don't give an f about anything.

I tried to kill my aunt's dog, because it looked at me wrong. Dude, I am a psychopath and I feel little emotion. There is a difference between anti-socialism and fantasizing murder, I fantasize murder mostly but do not act on it.

The only reason I won't join the army when I get older ? Is because I hate authority, if I can't control it. I don't want it.

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I was going to say that it has much to do with society.

What about all female Seal teams ? That would be a possible interim solution.....use the same PT standards but it would eliminate some of the potential problems such as the physical ability bias that many men hold .....

How many women have entered Recon Marines ? None...
Similar to the gays in the military thing....it isn't so much the gay thing, it's the potential distraction thing ....


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The main reason as to why not female Navy Seal teams ?

The Enemy could flush them all out from hiding by broadcasting over loud speakers towards the team in hiding ...

"Shoe Sale ....50% Off All Day Shoe Sale ....come to Hamid's' Shoe Shop "



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I know that my wife would toss her M-4 over her shoulder and would be sprinting to Hamid's in a heartbeat !!

I do support equality for women in all jobs military and civilian and if a Lady wants to be high speed low drag I'm all for it but look at it like this- it's called "knee deep in the s**t for a reason." Stay back in a position where you will not have to drag yourself out of a physical and emotional hell because you want to prove female equality. Let the men go into stressful nasty situations.
What if she gets captured by the enemy? They wouldn't just beat her...she would get raped.

I honestly don't personally see any women out there who can complete the training to be a Seal...It's not a friggin walk in the park...even for some of the most of fit of all men...if there are some women out there who can complete it...then try and prove us wrong...as far as I've ever been able to tell though men are better suited for it because physically men can get more muscle and be stronger than women simply because of male/female body physiology...it is mere fact...look up the differences in health books between men and women and you will see for yourself if you think anybody posting the same is being sexist...

Not saying it can't be done...but if you think it can be and you're a women how bout you prove it wrong? It is just unlikely

Originally posted by nixie_nox

"Although the United States’ past 10 years of war have propelled women into new and far more risky roles across the military, some doors still are closed. Chief among those are the Special Operations forces"

I don't understand why this door is still closed. If a woman can pass the test. She should be allowed in. Period.

The speaker in the article states that they have to be very, very careful about implementing women into the special forces. What is it that you have to be so careful about?

Women may not have the arm strength of men, but they have the leg strength, generally have better aim and targeting skills, and pay more attention to detail and can read social cues. There are many benefts that can outway physical prowess in that setting.

Now I know that special ops is brutal. I know that the testing to be a Navy Seal is obscene. So if a woman wants to try out, and passes, I can't see a reason to not let her participate.

www.washingtonpost.com...

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Let's work on these claims first. Can you show evidence that women have leg strength equal to men, or less arm strength for that matter? Next, please provide evidence to show women have better aim/targeting than men, or that they're more effective at reading "social cues". Otherwise you're just making groundless assertions, and that won't take this discussion anywhere.

Oh I can't believe I forgot to mention this in my post. Look up US Army Captain Kathleen Wilder - she is the only female to have gone through the US Army Special Forces "Q Course" (qualification) to date. She made it all the way and failed the final phase, I believe due to her using unauthorized supplies in one of the overnight wilderness tests ... she later sued the Army and won her green beret using the argument that the training cadre knew it was happening and routinely looked the other way for male trainees (which the Army admitted was true). Nevertheless she never actually served on a US Army Special Forces team and shortly afterwards transferred back to her communications unit and later retired as Lieutenant Colonel. This took place back in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

So women CAN do it, it's just that the macho Rambo wannabes don't like it and will use any silly fallacy and technicality to stop it.

Because the cream of the crop of men dominates the cream of the crop when compared to woman on a physical scale.

That is not sexist.
That is fact.


I think if a woman can pass the test doing it exactly the same as the males she should be allowed in - But I think if a woman can get in by sitting the same test, the test is too easy.

I am sorry, I am all for equal rights - and have no problem with woman serving. But if you want to be elite you have to be the most elite of the human race not of your gender.

on the lie. the reason why is this.

Yes i am a fully signed up, red blooded male, but heres the crux. as a male, if my mate got shot, or captured, i'd think fk it, the mission comes first!!, but if my mate were a female .....well now, everything changes, protective instict kicks in.

its a real shame 'cos women are equaly as able as men to "do the business", but its this psychological issue thats really the problem.

and in reality its the same reason why the millitary has such a problem with the gay community. its not about sexual preference, its about how you react when bad things happen to somebody you have an emotional connection with.

if women were the traditional warrior class, and the millitary were predominantly female, we'd be having the same conversation about men in the militarry.

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Imo women should not be allowed. besides some of the great reasons already given most women are to dominated by their emotions. not something that has great benefit in a tight risky situation I imagine.

Im sure there are other roles much more suited to a womans strength.

Heres another reason. What if that woman gets pregnant during training or finds out during a mission? Now there has to be preferential treatment? Lame. The lives of SEAL team members are entrusted with each other. Having a link that doesn't fit in the chain isn't going to do anyone any good.

Then theres the chance of a romantic relationship developing...this is just a bad idea all the way around.

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Um...hahaha no offense to all the ladies here and I'm certainly not a sexist... but this would straight up be a TERRIBLE idea... Nice try tho!

No way in hell the best of the best women can compete with the best of the best males...THAT is why... and emotionally, lol I don't even have to go there

cheerstho,got a few laughs...but its a funny thread reading all the emotional responses... just proves my point even more!

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right u are.

and thats just to pass the test for an opportunity to be accepted into BUDS... also 50 situps and 6 pullups and run a mile and a half are part of that test. all done in succession..again that is just for the opportunity to go to BUDS.

oh and btw..i took that test when i was in the navy..and a few girls tried out as well for SARs (search and rescue) ..the one i remember cleaned our clock in the swimming part of the test doing it in like 8 minutes or something..i made it in just under the time.

point being... there are women in special forces.

Originally posted by nixie_nox

"Although the United States’ past 10 years of war have propelled women into new and far more risky roles across the military, some doors still are closed. Chief among those are the Special Operations forces"

I don't understand why this door is still closed. If a woman can pass the test. She should be allowed in. Period.

The speaker in the article states that they have to be very, very careful about implementing women into the special forces. What is it that you have to be so careful about?

Women may not have the arm strength of men, but they have the leg strength, generally have better aim and targeting skills, and pay more attention to detail and can read social cues. There are many benefts that can outway physical prowess in that setting.

Now I know that special ops is brutal. I know that the testing to be a Navy Seal is obscene. So if a woman wants to try out, and passes, I can't see a reason to not let her participate.

www.washingtonpost.com...

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Agreed.

Anyone who can pass SEAL training is an asset, not a liability, whether she or he has ovaries or testes.

I think what scares most of the old guard at the JC and general officer level is the idea of the torture of a woman if captured; specifically rape and such, as if men were never raped when they were captured.

Video of this act could have the same effect on national will and troop morale as seeing men beheaded slowly, as we have seen in the last 10 years.

Rape is a tactic to break your prisoner and get what data you want from them, male or female. It is also a way to demoralize your enemy. It is barbaric, but it happens even today.

Any woman, or man, who can pass SEAL training has shown they have the right stuff.

Breasts and a vagina don't make a difference, except for us old guys who would go bat# crazy inside should the worst happen.

Originally posted by open_eyeballs
reply to post by dbates

 

right u are.

and thats just to pass the test for an opportunity to be accepted into BUDS... also 50 situps and 6 pullups and run a mile and a half are part of that test. all done in succession..again that is just for the opportunity to go to BUDS.

True heck maybe we should all just be honest and ask how many ladys posting in this thread right now can do the mens requirement just to go to buds? Btw no knee pushups im talking real push ups bringing chest fist height from floor and real dead hang pull ups no kipping ones

Well ladys.......

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I think that's an interesting question, but irrelevant... no woman on this thread has said they think they can pass the requirements to go to BUDS training. What has been said is that *if there is a woman who can, that woman should not be barred from doing it, simply because of gender.

Ugh, these Im equal like men women in this thread are making me sick, NO YOU CAN'T BE A NAVY SEAL, leave the hard work for the big boys, stay out of it, I guess you can say Im a sexist female, I believe that burning the bra is the reason why shtf for us, seriously you want to work like a man, get paid like a man, take over things that SHOULD be left for men, you have no idea how this women's lib sh** has ruined the normal family upbringing, Men should work, Women should take care of the household, but now children have to raise themselves because mom and dad are working, not to mention men have been demoralized and basically turned into pansies. If I had it my way i would be in a little suburban home vacuming and waiting for my husband to come home and hand him his scotch wearing only pearls.

I want to feel safe and I do knowing that there are strong men doing the job, do I want a woman as a navy seal out there NOPE, better yet do I want a woman president? whaddya think?

Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by ker2010

 

I think that's an interesting question, but irrelevant... no woman on this thread has said they think they can pass the requirements to go to BUDS training. What has been said is that *if there is a woman who can, that woman should not be barred from doing it, simply because of gender.

It was more in jest also just curious. I for one have no problem with a woman doing it if she can. I just think your talking about such a small percentage , but the ones who can I think have the right. That said once again I think the % of those that could is so minute the question is almost irrelevant.

Ok how bout this. Lets have a war with men and their machines vs a war against women and their stuff. Lets see who would win. Most women to not have good hand eye coordination and visual spatial skills do you think they would be able to operate an aircraft as good as the best male pilots in the world? Or run as far as the best male seals?

There are some things men are better at, and some things that women are better at. This has been told for millenia, including Islam, christianity etc.. states that each is different. Treat them equally, but each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

How many of the top mathematicians in the world are men?
How many of the top atheletes in the world are men?

Men and women are emotionally, physically and mentally different. God himself has declared this in all religions and it is also a scientific fact.

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Lol, well good - I was feeling challenged...

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On another note: no one has thought to mention women with Y chromosome anomalies. This has caused some scandal/debate/ethics issues in Sports, but that is because of the edge a woman *may have over another woman in competition. However, it *may be the edge a woman would have in her favor, should she decide she wants to enter some type of elite military position... Who knows, just a thought.

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Well Nixie all I can say is that IF she can pass the test part .... well it disqualifies most men with how much more base upper body strength?

SEALS carrRIB's are not exactly lighty their RIB's sometimes long distances inland on their shoulders... their training (for EXTREMELY GOOD REASON) focuses intensely on a level of upper body strength that most men at their peaks can't muster.

No way could a woman do it without the bar being lowered for her.

And in something like seals that alone is a NO go.

Beyond this you have the group dynamics change as soon as you add a single female to a team full of type A high speed low drag smart, motivated, and dangerous individuals. In other words it's an alpha male confrontation waiting to happen if you add a woman into the mix as a teammate.