DNA Proof that the Starchild skull is alien

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

1) question is, why not?

No it isn't. Those making the claim hold the burden of proof. We do not assume the skull alien until proven terrestrial, it's the other way around. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

2) Same reason the first white man to find a black woman created "hybrids". (it was an unknown "species" back then" so why not test it)

That's a case of the same SPECIES interbreeding. Race is based on minor genetic differences that manifest in superficial differences of appearance. The idea that a human and an alien could interbreed naturally is absurd.

Fear of ridicule

Nonsense. A scientist with conclusive evidence would fear no such thing, it would make their career to come out with solid evidence of alien life regardless of the scoffers and doubters that might turn up. If the evidence was truly conclusive they'd be able to put the skeptics to bed quickly.

we have no "foamy" extra-hard structure in our bones.

Normal humans don't. Perhaps it's deformed. One things for sure though it belongs to a tetrapodal, vertabrate, mammal, ape.

I dont know... but I dont deny it until scientifically proven wrong.

Please see point number 1 above. Science doesn't have time to disprove every wild claim that comes along. It's up to those making the claim, they hold burden of proof.

I think this graph from the "Star Child" site, kind of says it all ...



Ok, maybe it's not 100% match to modern human, nor Neanderthal, but it's also not as far removed as chimps.
That doesn't immediately make me say "It must be alien!".
But, it's still somewhere in the range of native Earth-based species? right?
Instead, it makes me say (at most) it's the skull of some unfortunately mutated individual.

Don't have time to read the whole site, was this thing ever carbon-dated?

PS: Just found my own answers about the carbon-dating. Pye "claims" it's been tested to approximately 900 years old. But, I couldn't find any credible link to substantiate that claim.

I really hope that this is legitimate but how can we be sure that the information posted is true?

The Starchild Project has a motive for falsifying the evidence as it will keep their "franchise" viable.

I would like to have some "second source" agreement for the mismatch of mDNA before committing either one way or the other.

reply to post by darrman


If it's radically different, how do you make a hybrid? K, thanks. I've only hear a bazillion articles on this one silly skull that is so obviously human. What you're telling me right now is equivalent of giving me an apple and telling me it has fish eggs for seeds. It's just not plausible.

I do not like Micheal Shermer but I just thought I would throw this out there.

www.theness.com...

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Titen,

Listen, I do agree with you dont take me wrong, I was just suggesting possibilities. The thing is, this little skull been around for ages and no one seems to reach a consensus or a definitive explanation for it.

One correction on my previous post: I did mean "species" for back in the day the first guy to encounter a "dark-skinned human-like species" maybe didnt look at it as a "race" but a "weird and darker kind of human" - altho scholars had the knowledge, it was the common and ignorant sailor, illiterate, and often a criminal or someone of a very very low status in society that discovered the world.

But maybe it was a bad example since "race" led you to direct interbreeding... I was thinking of dna mutation or experiment in vitro.

P.s - I find your avatar of incredible bad taste by the way

reply to post by darrman
You must be joking! A Dremel tool on a table in someone's back porch? With cats in the window and two skulls of unknown origin in conditions so contaminated...you couldn't eat your dinner in there!

Nobody will take those circumstances seriously.

give one dollar,, if you can.. and invest-- just for the sake of knowledge .!!!

This is what deeply worries me about the constant Lloyd Pye threads. Somebody, somewhere usually comes into the thread and makes Pye's case for him. Pye is a conman. Those doing his publicity work are working in the interests of a conman.

Here you are directly touting for business on behalf of a con?

reply to post by Kandinsky


My hero!!! lol.. You have echoed the sentiments of my last 3 posts on this thread. Im learning.
Many great teachers at ATS for sure.

OP'er, thank you for the invitation to join the 'excisor' at his facebook page but I will decline. I know you are passionate about this deal and good on you for that but I am now wary. Very very wary actually. There is something to be said for being honest and upfront. I am disappointed that you did not mention in your first post that you have an association with the whole Starchild thang. Albeit 2nd hand. And this is just personal sentiment because I was once a believer.

I, like most others, wait with bated but hesitant breath for the final results Lloyd is promising. Hopefully they will finally put an end to this speculation once and for all.

so can we finally get over with the Jesus story once and for all?

reply to post by annella
Our friend, the OP, has stated his connection to the man in that awful video clearly and and asked people to donate money.

If you look at the website that hosts the video, 'HiddenIncaTours,' we can see how they are firmly associated with Lloyd Pye. Says so right there on the website...

Lloyd Pye has become extremely interested in out research as regards the Elongated Skulls. We have taken samples of skin, hair, bones and teeth from 5 of them, which Lloyd is now analyzing. Stay tuned for the results!

Hidden Inca Tours website.

I believe the premise of the thread is to indirectly drum up money and publicity for friends and associates of the OP.

I also suspect it's a bare-faced breach of T&Cs (solicitation) and typical of every single Lloyd Pye-related thread. They all have someone posting with direct or indirect associations to the con-man himself. I'm waiting for 'wheeliegal' or 'Baines' to show up lol. Yo Pye, where's the sock-puppets at?!

(I starred your posts btw)

reply to post by Kandinsky

Great post.

It doesn't take this many years to conduct DNA testing. This project is as bogus as you can get. I'd be delighted to arrange the tests but won't waste my time offering as the project won't be prepared to foot the bill. I wonder why that is.

reply to post by Pimander
Agreed.

Pye's in this for the long-term. In all these threads, we can see the loose network of people associated (and self-supportive) with each other. Sock-puppet accounts and people posting e-mails from Pye? It's orchestrated fraud in my opinion.

Maybe early on, Pye had sincerity in his beliefs? His actions in the past five or six years have repeatedly shown him to be a con-merchant hiding behind secrecy and the worst aspects of pseudo-scepticism.

He isn't going anywhere fast...so hopefully if people keep highlighting his dodgy behaviour, he'll be less successful in taking money from people.

On top of that, he totally hates reading this stuff! On ATS too! Big market place for his hoax lol!

reply to post by Pimander


DNA tests to match a person to a known sample take almost a week, apparently there's some new super secret method only the US marines have access to that is faster, but who knows about that.

Obviously I'm not a DNA specialist, but I do know some basics like it takes some time to get a viable dna sample from material. In the case of an old skull, you might not even be able to get a viable sample.

To test that this persons dna sample matches this other sample, would be a time involved process.

but to simply plot out the dna and prove it doesn't match earth born dna samples, wouldn't really take that long at all. you aren't matching anything, you are merely producing the DNA slides then seeing how they are completely out of line with everything else on earth.

This is years, possibly decades, later, and still no definitive results? There never will be. I'll go with the other results that didn't take eons and showed human dna,

I can't recall the documentary I watched, but they talked about this particular skull, and some of the tests showing human dna but the other donor was up for grabs, meaning they couldn't say for sure (which others like the conman in question, take to mean alien.)

They also did some research on many of the tribes that practice skull elongation as well as some diseases and syndromes that cause deformity.

They came to the conclusion that, while they couldn't say 100% for sure, that in all probability it's a deformed human skull, that of a child more than likely. Every aspect of it, all the weirdness could be natural. The extra hard added layer in the bone structure, while uncommon, doesn't immediately mean alien.

A human alien hybrid, naturally, is just silly.

Sure we can cross breed between some species here on earth. But every creature on earth shares similar DNA, and when taken as a whole, all come from within a closed system, our earth. Anything "alien" to that earth might not share similar DNA. In fact, most of what we consider "life" is only the way it is because of the circumstances around it at the time, IE our sun, the elements present on Earth, etc etc.

For something to evolve off earth, it would have different variables. It might come from a planet with hydrogen instead of oxygen. It might not even be carbon based.

It should be infinitely easy to prove, with a sample, something isn't from earth. And for a conman, in it for the money, to keep this con going without actually proving it (which would be a windfall for this guy) should set alarm bells off.

They are probably just making this up, however if the mtDNA is really that different, there is not really any other explanation.

mtDNA samples can, and have been used to study prehistoric human migration routes (up to around 200,000 years ago if memory serves me correctly). The reason it is good for this is that it only passes down the maternal lineage, and there is no crossing over between the parental types. You can look at the probability of a random mutation occuring, and get a very rough date of when it occurred.

If this is true, then it is legitimate. There is just no other plausible explanation for so many changes.

Sure, more than one mutation at a time is possible (however unlikely), but over 800? I just don't think so.

Either this is real, or the data was fabricated. It needs a completely independent analysis.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Given the lack of any proven alien artifacts found anywhere...one has to assume that they have a great ' no littering Earth ' policy.
And couldn't we all learn from that. lol

You think this wouldn't be on the news if it were Alien?

You think that a site of that stature (minimilistic), would be left untouched.

You think that the government wouldn't have already run up into that laboratory and remove/take this so called 'StarChild'??

Why does it seem that alot of people believe what they read, when they say "Media lie, the papers lie" How much different is that to any website in the world?

Originally posted by xxPUSH0Noo
I know everyone hates Wikipedia but I couldn't find a source I recognized as far as DNA results are concerned.
States that the DNA results are human
Birth defect?

If you look at the sources used for this wiki article you will see those sources are outdated information.

This is new updated information. I think I'll go with the new information over years old info.


Very cool OP! I have always found this to be an interesting skull esp since there were able to get some DNA from it.

Originally posted by Symbotic




You think that the government wouldn't have already run up into that laboratory and remove/take this so called 'StarChild??
.what and prove that it has alien dna

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