DNA Proof that the Starchild skull is alien

Until we have some conclusive peer-reviewed scientific work done then we can just send this to the HOAX bin...

Originally posted by Homedawg
If it is real,the news will be suppressed or weakened somehow,maybe condemned to "internet rumors" and ignored,,....if it isnt real,its just more false trails....

The point is, my friend, that if this can be verified by other labs it would be impossible to ignore and would be more than internet rumours. It would be a genuine smoking gun.

If the results remain claims on the internet by the "Starchild Project" then it will remain internet rumours. Sad but true! If they have something then funding will be of little consequence. I reckon I could find the funds at a push but there has to be something more in this than mere claims. That must be obvious, surely?

It could be Alien or it could be a hybrid. We dont know. But im sure if it was proven to be 100% Alien then it would of been all over the news and Government Disclosure would have been old news.

Originally posted by Pimander

The point is, my friend, that if this can be verified by other labs it would be impossible to ignore and would be more than internet rumours. It would be a genuine smoking gun.

I think the main problem is that 2 separate DNA test labs have stated that the skull has human DNA or at least had a human mother.
Now it is only the "Starchild" project team that is calling both previous DNA test results as flawed.

Whilst if genuine, the new DNA test findings may have uncovered something interesting, the previous DNA test which found it to be human must ALSO be taken into account when trying to come with a conclusion.

We have to remember that this skull was left in a copper mine for 900 years, so perhaps the skull has been contaminated with other DNA from other organisms, and perhaps some of this DNA hasn't yet been catalogued into the DNA database.

This would perhaps better explain why the various DNA tests indicates both human and non human DNA.

Starchild project team however. are simply content to suggest that the other 2 tests were flawed rather than to come up with a plausible explanation to explain ALL of the DNA test results.
So even if these latest findings are examined by other labs, I rather doubt they would come to the same conclusions as the Starchild team........i.e it's Alien.......yes I know they know they keep saying "non human" as opposed to "Alien"......but their can be little doubt what the Starchild team actual mean when they say "non human".

Originally posted by connorromanow
reply to post by darrman

 

i thought the test showed it mother was human, but because they couldnt get the nuclear dna they could not tell the father

Well, there are two possibilities: One, one is wrong, two, the other is wrong.

I would be interested to know more about this "highly credible institution" that is doing the current work. Not talking about Trace Genetics, which did the work in 2003.

Again, I would like to know more about this Starchild DNA research team that is so quick to discredit the work of two of the best ancient DNA scientists in the world...

Originally posted by thepainweaver
I would be interested to know more about this "highly credible institution" that is doing the current work. Not talking about Trace Genetics, which did the work in 2003.

Again, I would like to know more about this Starchild DNA research team that is so quick to discredit the work of two of the best ancient DNA scientists in the world...

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Hi Painweaver, I guess you missed the live ATS broadcast interview last night with Amy Vickers who represented the "Starchild project team". (Amy's post on page 10 of this thread)

According to her it was part of the "agreement" with the DNA lab to keep anonymity to prevent their institution being cluttered with phone calls and e-mails........although I'm not sure I fully buy that as the REAL reason.
More likely they don't want their lab to be publicly link to something like this.

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
reply to post by Laokin

 

LOl
and you are who in Pyes organisation?

Our geneticist is confident that complete confirmation will unfold over the following months as the Starchild Skull’s entire genome is recovered using advanced sequencing technology. Ultimately, he will be able to formally announce that he has absolute, ironclad proof that a significant part of the Starchild's genome cannot be found on Earth.

HIS geneticist is who? and publishing where in which peer review? subjected to independent review when?
Finding unknown DNA strands doesnt make it et, it just makes it unknown......

You didn't quote me. And, I said the same thing as you -- Only believe it after it's been peer reviewed... I also stated it wouldn't make it ET, just something we don't know exists, which lends itself quite well to the theory that it is from space... again, that would only be a theory, as there would be no fact unless the Unknown was suddenly Known.

I have nothing to do with Pye. I've just been to one of his seminars and got to speak to him in a 1 on 1 conversation. His explanations are plausable and could potentially be true regarding the first tests... So I say, don't judge until his work has been judged by professionals....

That's all.

Jesus.

reply to post by Logical one


I've never seen that video, but I suppose he could have made a mistake... for this is the only record where he declares that as "Fact" that I have ever seen. Interesting though, since before and after that moment, his story is contrary to that one particular statement.

Then again, there is always the possibility that he said that specifically to garner interest in people to help fund the rest of the testing...

His work will be validated or denied by professionals when he submits for peer review. If he doesn't, then you know it's all B/S anyway... so I still stick with the wait and see approach.

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by Laokin

That's not true. The first tests had evidence of it not being 100% human,

Errr no they didn't!

They simply could only analyse the DNA from the mother......it didn't mean that the skull was not 100% human!

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Err, in the first tests that tested the mtDNA, had base pairs unknown to human. Yes.They.Did. According to Pye.

In his seminars he shows the original document printed by the gene databank showing there was no match for those sections. This has nothing to do with the fact that they were unable to gather any of the nuDNA at the time...

I think it's time for you to go to youtube and watch one of his seminars so atleast you know the side of the story he is pushing... because you don't, other than what you seen on the NZ tele.

Hmmm... It's funny that this so called "alien skull" is in the hands of a few civilians and not the government. Just saying, it doesn't make sense, whatsoever.

People don't realize how far it is to the next solar system, before believing in aliens it is important to question the reasons why an alien species would come to earth. If they knew we were hear, there is no reason to travel the distance just to see us, as if some civilization possessed the technology to transverse light years and live for it then it is an obvious assumption to make that they wouldn't need anything from us. With nanotechnology we can achieve the transition to a type 2 civilization and thus power everything with solar energy, there is no need for "resources" once we achieve that there is not much else we would have to worry about other than the economy. So if we can use nanotechnology and understand it to that degree, and still have no idea whatsoever of a method to transverse space, then these alien species would probably also have achieved unlimited resources before learning a method of space travel, and thus there would be no reason whatsoever to come to earth.

It's almost like standing at a crosswalk waiting for the light to change and noticing the ants crawling between the sidewalk cracks, they are another species, they are less intelligent and we don't care about them. We would not get right up close to study them upon seeing them. Aliens most likely acknowledge our presence, though it doesn't mean anything to them as we are just an ant colony in their eyes. That is, if they are smart enough to develop a means of space travel! Just an idea..

As with everything this can be fought over for decades but I will tell you this:

The Sculptor that made the sculpture from the skull has made a sculpture of an actual Alien as you call them, I have been in the presense of a Being just like the sculpture.

People need to wake up.

Originally posted by Laokin

Err, in the first tests that tested the mtDNA, had base pairs unknown to human. Yes.They.Did. According to Pye.
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Laokin.......not to put too finer a point on it "According to Pye" says it all really.

Now if independent geneticists were invited to this forum that Pye was showing the documentation to and they stood up and said wow!........you've discovered base pairs "unknown to human" therefore this thing MUST be a non human and perhaps an ET alien......THEN there may be something to this ........but of course all we get is Pye's interpretation who is no scientist let alone geneticist.......in other words he is not qualified to analyse the data and come to the conclusion he has.

Now If I recall correctly the "unknown" DNA base pairs that they found numbered around 300, but you have to take into account that humans typically have 3 Billion base pairs so 300 is a tiny tiny number, and genetic mutation could well account for these 300 or so base pairs.......bear in mind also that the DNA database hasn't yet catalogued even a fraction of everything on Earth, let alone all the possible genetic mutations ......some of which may have died out before they could be catalogued.

So it is only Pye who thinks there is anything significant about these 300 base pairs......no one else does.

Or it could be Hydrocephalus. An even larger skull was found in Brazil.

reply to post by Laokin


You do understand that no known match doesn't equate to ET?

You understand that deformity like Pregoria is mostly found in the nuclear (fraternal) dna which is degraded....it would make more sence to make the stretch to assume the deformity belongs to a likely illness that they havent been ble to find traces of in the nDNA.

You understand it is mammalian bone.

You understand it is a 5-6 year old child, the lifespan of a child with this illness

You understand it has Halpo c dna= human

You understand that a living ET would not in all believable honesty be buried in a mine shaft with a adoptive mother (speculation) but likely to be either revered as a god

You understand that your very own government would not allow a private researcher to hold onto alien dna? You get that part surely? They practically shot a woman over moon rock the other day....you think think they would leave a alien in Pyes hands>?

You understand that Pye s claims until they are released and peer reviewed mean not a thing...nothing zip zilch. He collects 250K in 'donations' per lab work batch.....lets see the results. And more importantly lets go with a non biased lab result,

This whole star-child fairytale feels like the ugly sisters Cinderella story, trying to shove their fat ugly feet into fit a glass slipper.....NO matter how hard he tries he just wont make the alien brain fit the mammalian skull bone.....

reply to post by ObvTruth

But im sure if it was proven to be 100% Alien then it would of been all over the news and Government Disclosure would have been old news.

More than likely, if it were proven to have "alien" DNA, it would be labeled a hoax. And if it were proven to be 100% human it would be labeled a hoax. Lose-lose situation. Or win-win, depending on ones perspective. So the debate over this is an exercise in futility at best.

reply to post by Klassified

reply to post by darrman

I'm sure your point was excellent. And I'd be interested in hearing it. So don't be shy.

I have been following this for quite some time now and it is amazing! I recently saw the King Tut exhibit in New York and they were showing how they were testing the genetics. Though, if alien origin or presence shows positive, I doubt the information will be released worldwide.

reply to post by Misterlondon


They must discern, whether or not the information garnered from their findings of the skull, show more human genetic traits than any other. It could have been an animal/neanderthal.. whatever.. The good thing here is that we have a very strong base for comparison.

We have genetic material from Neanderthal remains..

We have genetic material from "denovans" or whatever, a similar, but subtly different branch off, of the neanderthal species..

So considering what we have to measure against, including human genetic info, they can test against a whole variety of possibilities, however, should those possibilities fall thorugh, perhaps a more hypothetical answer is needed or at least alluded to.

Alien, after all, means foreign. It doesnt always have to conjur up images of reptilian beings and death machines... We've all heard of illegal aliens...

though i suppose then, if this "fella" wasnt from our planet, he could be considered very ALIEN.

to be honest, i wish that the James Cameron's Aliens were real.. those things still freak me out to my core. i studied their symbology as a part of an assignment for Uni.. lots of sexual undertones, mixed with voracity of a beast un-tamed by emotion.

But I digress.

Hope that gives you a different perspective mate!

Peace!