How to Bust Chemtrails from the Ground, Very Simple

This is all very interesting, and I try to keep an open mind. But, I'm a little surprised no one brought up this little gem

reply to post by gunner50cal


I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I firmly believe the government shills are the ones which propagate the "chemtrail" hoax; and that this group of Shills drags otherwise unrelated items/issues into the debate when they feel those unrelated issues aren't something we should pay attention to.

So yes I do feel, based upon my firm belief that the "chemtrail" hoax is a disinfo tool used to distract us from the real hidden truths and discredit us, that the orgone tech must be something worth looking into if the government "chemtrail" promoting shills don't want us to learn about it.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

chit is a scam.

I understand why you could come to this conclusion, one thought on the matter of the whole orgone thing being a money making snake oil scam, is the fact that Wilhelm Reich could easily have been a very rich and famous man with his close association with Freud and his psychiatric skills he could have cleaned up on the wealthy neurotics of the time, like all his similarly equipped colleagues and associates did, that sorta takes away his motive for a, as was proven, risky and time consuming scam.

No flames here, my friend...S&F for your research. But let me apply my own logic on why the debunkers are wrong.

Rule #1: You need moisture to make a cloud.
Rule #2: You cannot create moisture if it isn't there to begin with
Rule #3: If there was enough moisture already present to make a cloud, then there would be clouds!

Based on these assumptions, there is not enough moisture in a contrail to virtually "multiply" itself to cover an area sometimes up to a mile wide. For those who insist it's nothing but a normal "contrail", no need to argue. We get it; you are set in your beliefs and won't change, even with evidence presented and the admission that they are dumping chemicals into the air.

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by bsbray11
But what happens when there is simultaneously a concerted disinformation campaign against it, too? Then what do you think you would see? Maybe something like the global warming nonsense that keeps going back and forth, you think?

If something is verifiable by simple experiment, then how exactly could it be kept secret? Just post it online.

You could verify it yourself. Find someone who knows how to verify it, get them to tell you how, then post the results here. It would change the world

Not exactly - a certain herbal remedy is VERY easily proven to be harmless - and the (scientific) results are posted all over the internet, as well as experienced firsthand by millions. Has that changed anything in this country? Not much - a little bit, but only as far as TPTB allow. Ultimately, It all depends on who stands to lose money, and who will 'allow' that information to change the world. Secrets are 'hidden' out in the open all of the time, but most sheep only discover them when the MSM covers them, or verifies their truth.

Originally posted by General.Lee
No flames here, my friend...S&F for your research. But let me apply my own logic on why the debunkers are wrong.

Rule #1: You need moisture to make a cloud.
Rule #2: You cannot create moisture if it isn't there to begin with
Rule #3: If there was enough moisture already present to make a cloud, then there would be clouds!

Based on these assumptions, there is not enough moisture in a contrail to virtually "multiply" itself to cover an area sometimes up to a mile wide. For those who insist it's nothing but a normal "contrail", no need to argue. We get it; you are set in your beliefs and won't change, even with evidence presented and the admission that they are dumping chemicals into the air.

There are a couple of fundamental problems with your rules and the statement you make based on those erroneous assumptions.

1. You do need moisture to make a cloud. You cannot however see water vapor in the air if the saturation level has not reached a point that clouds form.

2. You are correct in that moisture cannot be created where no moisture is to be found. The source of the water which forms contrails comes from the engines of the airplanes in the form of vapor as they fly. In other words there is the source of the moisture which forms contrails.

3. When the exhaust of the jet engine hits the cooler atmosphere you see the initial formation of a contrail. The sudden presence of that much vapor can cause a point of saturation to be reached whereby natural clouds form around the contrail thus causing the contrail to seem to spread. The contrail itself is very dense in moisture content compared to the air around it so according to the concentration gradient it is unavoidable that the contrail would spread out, especially if the air around the contrail was devoid of moisture.

As you can see if your rules were that off track then your assumptions are truly meaningless. If however you wish to remain closed minded and won't consider valid evidence as to why your belief in the "chemtrail" hoax is misplaced that is your choice and we get it.

Originally posted by Dilligaf28
I firmly believe the government shills are the ones which propagate the "chemtrail" hoax

Imagine that, because most people think it's the other way around, including me. Why would the government want people to believe in chemtrails anyway?

Originally posted by boondock-saint
If you are interested in orgone
then you are probably more inclined
to vote for or buy Ron Paul books.

What is this, veiled Ron Paul bashing now too?

What's wrong with Ron Paul? He wants to end the Federal Reserve, put us back on the Constitution...

Reminds me of something this guy says in this video:

reply to post by bsbray11


Thats a very good question and I will be happy to answer it for you.

I've noticed that sometimes on ATS people will feverishly and whole heartedly cling to a viewpoint that has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be invalid. I'm sure you have seen this before on the boards. Someone saying "the sky is green and i know it is so i dont care what proof you bring me its all made up and fake and only I am right" to me is proof that the person is a part of a government conspiracy designed to cause a false association between these government shills and the majority of ATS members; thereby tarnishing all of our viewpoints, discoveries, and theories in the process.

Think about it. What better way could be employed to discredit those of us on ATS than from the inside? When I see any poster ranting and raving, ignoring questions or responses to their posts, being evasive, posting without a source, posting opinion as fact, or generally irrationally believing in something despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary I get this gut feeling they are a government agent hired to act as irrationally and illogically as possible in the hopes that we (the real users of ATS) will be tarnished for it. Is there any better way to defeat something that frightens you than from the inside? I'd like to think ATS has given the Government more than a few "raised hairs" and I for one can easily see them employing the methodology I have described here to make us all look crazy.

Originally posted by Dilligaf28
I've noticed that sometimes on ATS people will feverishly and whole heartedly cling to a viewpoint that has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be invalid.

Like chemtrails, maybe?

I'm still waiting for someone to refute the idea that chemtrails exist. Lots of people make the easy claim that it's been debunked, but proving the negative proves to be much harder.

I really want to put on a Wizard costume sometime, and point a wand up at contrails as they dissipate, and declare that to be my proof of wizard powers that destroy contrails.

Originally posted by General.Lee
No flames here, my friend...S&F for your research. But let me apply my own logic on why the debunkers are wrong.

Rule #1: You need moisture to make a cloud.
Rule #2: You cannot create moisture if it isn't there to begin with
Rule #3: If there was enough moisture already present to make a cloud, then there would be clouds!

Based on these assumptions, there is not enough moisture in a contrail to virtually "multiply" itself to cover an area sometimes up to a mile wide. For those who insist it's nothing but a normal "contrail", no need to argue. We get it; you are set in your beliefs and won't change, even with evidence presented and the admission that they are dumping chemicals into the air.

Except for the pesky fact, that contrails spreading out as cirrus, is long documented. i know that chemtrailers would rather ignore this fact, but it is real and has been studied for decades.

And no, there is no admission of dumping chemicals into the air. And whats your opinion of all the chemicals in the air from ground sources, and why do chemtrailers never think these should ever amount to anything?

reply to post by bsbray11


In all honesty I am still waiting for you to provide any sort of direct response to a point someone raises to you. INSULT REMOVED AND MEMBER WARNED

Since you are the one that feels decades of accepted science and logic should be tossed aside in favor of completely unscientific and unsubstantiated views it is up to you to prove the point that chemtrails exist. It is not my responsibility nor anyone else's to prove your delusions do not exist; it is up to you to prove that your delusions are real. Every time you say to someone "disprove my views" you are only showing the incredible weakness of your argument. If your argument had any measure of validity you would have no problem proving your own views.

I realize from your viewpoint that you think it is somehow intellectually superior to say "you can't prove my delusions aren't real" but to those of us that know anything about debate, discussion, and rationality your views and methodologies by which you attempt to defend your views are seen as delusional, intellectually inferior, and illogical. It is plainly obvious that you have been on the losing side of a great number of debates and have decided to twist and pervert the core elements of what is a debate to try to suit your world view and your illogical style of discourse. This too may be intellectually superior in your own mind but to the majority of those reading your posts what your are doing is a viewed as a pitiful and sad maneuver to try to give legitimacy to the government sponsored "chemtrail" hoax and your own irrational world view.

I look forward to seeing what small snippet of this post you focus on while ignoring the majority of the text; that or which unrelated and inane youtube video you post in your "rebuttal" (if you can call your responses to anyone a rebuttal as all you do is misdirect with each reply).

It´s quite a long thread and a lot to read here but I just wanted to thank OP for posting this!

I absolutely believed Wilhelm Reich was totally forgotten. I first heard about him a couple of years ago and just read a little about his research but found it very facinating.

Anyway, I am very glad and surprised that his cloudbursting "machines" can be made so easy and I really would like to have one. A month ago I saw a strange small white jet flying over my city on a very low altitude, leaving white contrails/chemtrails that wouldn´t disappear and they had a very metallic odour which made me cough. We never have jet planes at all here, only regular traffic planes on very high altitudes. If this can alter these contrails/chemtrails it would be worth a try, no matter what they contain but I´m certain it is not good to inhale them.

Even if Reich´s science are by some classed as pseudoscience and total gibberish, we should remember that groundbreaking science are met with skepticism in the beginning and it can also be hard to prove the results and process without the proper measuring equipment.

Take for instance the life force of ki/qi, which we hardly can measure but is easy noticed and manipulated through for example acupuncture and acupressure. Asia has known this for the past 4000 years but since we haven´t known it for so long - it can´t be real, right? Please, have an open mind when it comes to new discoveries!

Originally posted by Dilligaf28
In all honesty I am still waiting for you to provide any sort of direct response to a point someone raises to you. I told you exactly why your behavior leads me to believe you are a govt shill and the best response you can give is a completely random totally unassociated random outburst of babble about proving negatives?

Sorry man, your rhetoric is rolling off my back like water off a duck.

If you can't prove that chemtrails don't exist then stop insinuating it.

What a shock that "certain people" would be accusing me of being a shill.



Btw, I have responded directly to everything anyone has posted to me on this thread. If I genuinely missed something then just show me, but the last two tries at that were bull because I had clearly responded to them in the thread.

reply to post by bsbray11


Thank you! Your response has proven my postings, observations, and opinions of you to be spot on.
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Originally posted by firepilot
I really want to put on a Wizard costume sometime, and point a wand up at contrails as they dissipate, and declare that to be my proof of wizard powers that destroy contrails.

Hey I can make clouds go away just by thinking them to do so - whenever I want clouds to go awqy I wish it, and they do - it's a 100% positive correlation - undeniable evidence.

What's more I can make them arrive too by thinking them into existence -it's true - if there's no clouds around I can just think "let there be clouds" or something similar, and they arrive - 100% of the time.

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so I reckon your need for a wizard suit shows how inadequate your system is!!

Originally posted by bsbray11
I'm still waiting for someone to refute the idea that chemtrails exist. Lots of people make the easy claim that it's been debunked, but proving the negative proves to be much harder.

Yeah we've noticed that your entire argument is from ignorance - you claim to be using logic and yet the basis of your possition is a hoary old logical fallacy and you keep advertising the fact.

Originally posted by Aurvandil
I absolutely believed Wilhelm Reich was totally forgotten.

It's a shame that he wasn't.

Originally posted by Aurvandil
Anyway, I am very glad and surprised that his cloudbursting "machines" can be made so easy and I really would like to have one.

Not only are they simple to make, there is no evidence to suggest that they even work!

Originally posted by Aurvandil
A month ago I saw a strange small white jet flying over my city on a very low altitude, leaving white contrails/chemtrails that wouldn´t disappear and they had a very metallic odour which made me cough.

How could you tell the altitude from the ground? How did you know the odor was from the contrail?

Originally posted by Aurvandil
Even if Reich´s science are by some classed as pseudoscience and total gibberish, we should remember that groundbreaking science are met with skepticism in the beginning and it can also be hard to prove the results and process without the proper measuring equipment.

There is nothing scientific about any of his claims or his work.

Originally posted by Aurvandil
Take for instance the life force of ki/qi, which we hardly can measure but is easy noticed and manipulated through for example acupuncture and acupressure. Asia has known this for the past 4000 years but since we haven´t known it for so long - it can´t be real, right? Please, have an open mind when it comes to new discoveries!

They've known about something unmeasurable and likely non-existent? Isn't it more likely just more bunk that the ancients made up?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Yeah we've noticed that your entire argument is from ignorance - you claim to be using logic and yet the basis of your possition is a hoary old logical fallacy and you keep advertising the fact.

I've corrected you on this numerous times yet you continue to spread blatant lies anyway.

The fact that you cannot prove a negative, is not an argument from ignorance. It's a fact.

If it was an argument from ignorance I would be saying, "Chemtrails exist because you can't prove me wrong!" But I'm not. You just wish I was because you want to be right about something.

Are you trying to definitively argue that chemtrails don't exist (as if you have evidence of this?), or not?