Meeting an ATS Friend - Crossing the border from Canada to the USA - I've never been so hassled

reply to post by Gorman91


So, how's the internet access in completely-unsubstantiated-theory-land? I hear its pretty good.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Can't see what's wrong with telling people to know their own laws.

They have already been indoctrinated into your idealized view of the legal system by the MSM. It isn't about being lazy or uneducated, it is about being ground up and spit out by a system that is in the business of alienating people from their supposed inalienable rights. Yes, you can dig in your heels and fight for the rights that should be a matter of course.

That you would have to go to such extremes in order to receive justice is the whole point. The Border Guards know this quite well and so act with relative impunity.

reply to post by Elbereth


Again, how? What Jury would agree to this?

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Elbereth

 

Again, how? What Jury would agree to this?

One of the points I am trying to make is that the vast majority of people are unlikely to ever have the opportunity to present their case to a jury. The system is structured to make that an unpalatable choice, which is why nine out of ten criminal cases plead out.

The expense of getting a civil case to trail is so exorbitant and the process so lengthy that it is usually more damaging than the perceived initial harm.

Some justice.

reply to post by Elbereth


Why? What costs so much? And why couldn't I get a jury? You keep repeating these things but not the why. That's what I want to know. Why.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
in essence, you can't name the person you are going to meet.

Originally posted by Gradius Maximus
reply to post by syrinx high priest

 

I gave the name - but I'm not posting it on ATS for privacy reasons,

Why should you have to give them the name of who you are meeting anyway?

I'd tell them i was meeting someone and when asked for the name tell them it's none of their business--and it ISN'T any of their business the NAME of who you are meeting. If they asked where they live, tell them the city, no more. That type of information is NOT their business, even though some might argue it's "procedure," as in "what is your business here, how long are you staying, etc," but person information about a party NOT directly involved.

Back to the OP, that encounter sounds absolutely INSANE. It sounds worse than Nazi Germany, the way they tossed your car for NO logical reason other than you were coming to meet an "unknown" who you met via the internet, which is still not a reason (IMO) to treat you like they did, unless you were acting--or looked--EXTREMELY suspicious or nervous to begin with. I am sure this type of thing does not happen THAT often, so there has to be (i would think) something else that caused them to act this way (and i am NOT one to give cops the benefit of the doubt). I mean, hand on the gun, tossing the car, taking you into a room...something is definitely up, there.

You wanna know the name if who i am meeting? NoYF business.

Still a pretty freaky encounter, and affirms the police state into which we are descending, made even easier by people who just quietly go along with the processes and infringements of the rights and freedoms of travel.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Can't see what's wrong with telling people to know their own laws.

No. I agree. Which is why i've been pushing you to outline what law you think was broken. SPECIFICALLY. not another inaccurate analogy.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Damages to property?

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Elbereth

 

Why? What costs so much? And why couldn't I get a jury? You keep repeating these things but not the why. That's what I want to know. Why.

I'm not saying you couldn't get to a jury. I am saying it would not be worth the effort and expense. Why? Because the system would resist you and the damages are too small.

Originally posted by Liquesence


Back to the OP, that encounter sounds absolutely INSANE. It sounds worse than Nazi Germany, the way they tossed your car for NO logical reason ..

Yeah, that's TOTALLY like Nazi Germany.I cant believe they were gassing jews and invading France the whole time too!

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Liquesence


Back to the OP, that encounter sounds absolutely INSANE. It sounds worse than Nazi Germany, the way they tossed your car for NO logical reason ..

Yeah, that's TOTALLY like Nazi Germany.I cant believe they were gassing jews and invading France the whole time too!

Nazi Germany did not START with the Holocaust.

You do realize that the Nazis were in power longer than just the Holocaust, and that the regime used these same type of actions (setting up check points, random searches and tosses of people guilty of nothing and suspected of nothing (ordinary citizens), intimidation, etc) as the regime was increasing its power, which RESULTED in gassing of Jews and untold horrible acts. Once the police state begins, and once these types of actions go unchallenged by an apathetic public, the path is paved for ungodly acts, especially in a supposedly FREE society, such as ours (is supposed to be).

You do realize this?

Yes?

So stop being a smart alec.

reply to post by Elbereth


But HOW would it cost so much.

Originally posted by Gradius Maximus
So I braved the border today -

I cross to the States about 3 to 4 times a month I have never had a problem going into the States or coming back with $300. to $400. worth of goods for a day trip. It's simple to cross both sides, have your passport ready to hand out the window, tell them your citizenship when asked. Tell them where you live, when asked. Tell them you are going shopping and out for lunch, when asked where you are going. Take back your passport and continue driving. Upon re entry into Canada have passports and receipts ready, tell them your citizenship and where you live when asked. Tell them what you bought, when asked, hand over receipts, watch the shocked look on the persona face when they see your receipt for $300. worth of groceries. Reply with No Sir/Madam no alcohol or tobacco, take back your stuff and drive on. Do not offer any more information than requested.

reply to post by Liquesence


I suggest familiarizing yourself with Godwin's Law as well as the myriad various brutal dictatorships throughout the years so that you can perhaps not make such incorrect comparisons to the third reich again.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


While there might be certain *details* that might not exactly fit each and every circumstance, i suggest you look at the larger picture before you pull the "familiarize yourself with [true] brutal dictatorship" crap. Checkpoints, searches, tosses, without suspicion is NOT something through which those in a free society should have to go (UNLESS, as i mentioned in my initial reply, there are some circumstances in this situation to which we are NOT privy/that the OP has NOT disclosed). Tossing a car like that is not something that should happen without reasonable cause, otherwise, a comparison with a dictatorial regime is fairly accurate.

Plus, I was making an analogy, which is based upon a representation of a similar type of occurrence and reflects the events to which it references.

So come off it, so you can perhaps familiarize yourself with similarities between these events and the regimes who have done similar things that you so conveniently say they haven't or aren't comparable.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Elbereth

 

But HOW would it cost so much.

Because I believe no lawyer will take the OP's case on a contingency.

reply to post by Elbereth


That's a pretty big assumption.

I read some but not all of this thread so please ignore/forgive if this has been addressed already, but:

In addition to the OP, has anyone else noted a similar experience of being hassled upon exit from or entry to the United States? Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Gorman91


-ahem, crossing the border shouldn't be a situation worth inciting.

edit on 3-6-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

It never used to be, until some a$$holes flew planes into buildings in New York.