Pat Condell - "Let's Blame The Jews!"

Originally posted by XmikaX
jews were/are [color=gold] living in peace with muslim in Iran and many other places like yemen or north africa since centuries

until the zionists came out of nowhere with lots of lies

That's like saying American poor are living in peace with the banking system, for centuries

until thinkers came out of nowhere and started smearing the Fed.

I mean seriously. We're gonna take Irans word on it
that without hearing from the minority group themselves
they really are at peace with the laws and system they live under?
If that's true, then I guess the Kurds are mourning the loss of Sadam Hussein.

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David Grouchy

Originally posted by OldCorp
What do you think about what the Muslim cleric had to say? Do you agree with him?

He states that Allah has said that they are infidels.

While i'm not sure on the translation,
let's give him the benifit of the doubt and
assume that he meant that they "Have sinned"
in which case there is plenty of evidence in the 5 books of Moses.

What I find incredulous is how seamlessly and without a moments consideration
he goes on to imply that Allah has failed in his tasks/promises and it is
incumbent upon the Muslims to do the punishing for him.

What about "Vengance is mine, sayeth The Lord."
Did that bit not make it into the Quran?

I mean what happens if you get home and find that your favorite butler is dead,
and the grounds keeper is standing over him with a bloody tool, and says
I cought him eating cookies out of the children's cookie Jar.

Who is going to look like a dog on that day?


David Grouchy

reply to post by davidgrouchy

That's like saying American poor are living in peace with the banking system, for centuries

No, stop making poorly thought out analogies and presenting them as if they hold intellectual value.

until thinkers came out of nowhere and started smearing the Fed.

I mean seriously. We're gonna take Irans word on it

Irans word is the word of Iranians, and the word of Iranians is, this kind of blown-out-of-proportion discrimination does not exist. Iran is not Nazi-Germany regardless of how bad you wish it was.

that without hearing from the minority group themselves

Don't know about you, but I'm seeing the minority groups speak on videos. Are we looking at different videos perhaps?

they really are at peace with the laws and system they live under?

Obviously. The people who don't - get out of the country. You are deaf and blind I think, because when they say; "they have a rooted history in Iran and for that they are respected" - you don't see them or hear them.

If that's true, then I guess the Kurds are mourning the loss of Sadam Hussein.

What kind of crazy man gibberish is this?

I suggest you do a lot of reading.

Edit:

I can tell you for a fact, that people - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Baha'i lived as neighbors in Iran before the Islamic revolution.

Anyone find it hilarious that in one post this guy says no Synagogues are built in Iran and then the next post he shares a link to a picture of the inside of a synagogue in Iran? I mean, really?

He's an idiot. I wouldn't listen to a word he says. He lets his hatred of Islam get in the way of reason, he does this often. Reminds me a bit of Christopher Hitchens. Obviously intelligent people, intellectuals at that, but illogical and biased.

Originally posted by buster2010
What a racist ahole. If the KKK ever wants to set a chapter up over seas then they should get this guy to run it.

Hows Pat, Racist.

Did YOU, only watch the vid, on this thread. He talks about every religion on all his other videos.

He's far from racist and your comment is full of it.

Originally posted by mackey1224uk

Originally posted by buster2010
What a racist ahole. If the KKK ever wants to set a chapter up over seas then they should get this guy to run it.

Hows Pat, Racist.

Did YOU, only watch the vid, on this thread. He talks about every religion on all his other videos.

He's far from racist and your comment is full of it.

racism
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I suggest you watch the video and this time open your mind and listen to what he is saying. You will notice it's real convenient that he mentions how Muslims teach their kids to hate Israel and they use human shields but he must have forgotten how Israel does the same thing.

reply to post by OldCorp

If you want to call me something, call me a Christian Zionist. I'll wear THAT label with pride.

After what the Zionist helped the Nazi's do to their own people who would call themselves a Zionist with pride.

Originally posted by OldCorp

I have said repeatedly, and PROUDLY, that I support Israel because I'm a Christian, and for no other reason.

No other reason? How about common sense, logic or reasoning? But no you don't need that because you've found a shortcut through religion. No wonder you're so proud. Good for you.

What I'm in love with is the truth

How can you even say that when the only truth to you is your religion whatever corresponds with it? What if the foundation of your beliefs was based on a lie? How do you spot the truth when you are bias and misguided??

I don't know how many ways I'm going to have to prove it before even YOU admit that I'm only telling the truth as I see it.

Once again, you wouldn't know what the truth is if it bit you on the ass. You have been brainwashed and conditioned to have a very bias outlook on the world and you're attempting to spread your ignorance.

I have no other agenda,

Maybe not a direct agenda but you're spewing the nonsense that you've been TOLD is the truth and there is obviously an agenda in what you've been told. So it's more like pushing the agenda of others.

If you want to call me something, call me a Christian Zionist. I'll wear THAT label with pride.

Pride??? I think it's only fair that you put the above quote in your signature so that you can share your pride with the rest. It will also help the rest of us in knowing where your "truth" is coming from.

Originally posted by Josephus23
Originally posted by OldCorp

And what is your opinion of the Muslim cleric in the second video? I noticed that NONE of you guys will offer an opinion on him!

The second Muslim cleric does not in any way, shape or form represent the feelings of Muslims worlwide.

You are using the words of one man, representing the feelings of an extreme minority of individuals, and you are applying them to the whole.
This is a logical fallacy. It's called a hasty generalization.

I'm hardly using the words of one man. I can post literally thousands of similar videos. You, or someone else, could counter by posting videos of Christian nutjobs, of which there are plenty; BUT the big difference is exposure and acceptance. Christian nutjobs are posting videos out of their basement somewhere and nobody listens to them, while on the other hand, this type of Muslim extremism is everyday programming on Arab television, and more often than not it is state-sponsored; THAT my friend is the big difference.

I'd point to Hamas run al-Aqsa TV as an example. Here we have the official, state-sponsored, Palestinian television network teaching kids - from before they can walk - that Jews are apes and pigs, and that a person's greatest aspiration in life should be to serve Allah in Jihad by blowing themselves up to kill as many Jews as possible. Children are being indoctrinated into this cult of death from infancy, and by the time they reach puberty these poor kids are as bloodthirsty as their murdering parents.

So please forgive me if I don't buy into the "all Muslims aren't like that" excuse. I'm sure that most Muslims just want to live a peaceful life and worship the Almighty in their own way, peacefully, without spewing all of the hatred, and committing all of the atrocities, that we see from Muslims every single day; atrocities which most times directed at their fellow Muslims btw. Shia vs Sunni mosque bombings anyone? The problem is that we never see these Muslims, not on Western television nor on Arab TV. I can't imagine why except that they are afraid to speak out and say, "Not in my name" for fear of losing their head to more radical Muslims.

Militant Islamists have shown time and again that they are not afraid to take revenge, even on their fellow Muslims. The thing that disgusts me most is the common, everyday, bombings of mosques - committed by Muslims - as their "brethren" are on their knees in prayer. You would NEVER see Jews or Christians doing that.

Those Muslims that want to practice their religion in peace, and will allow me to practice mine in the same way, are the ones that I get along with; but lately it seems that those types of Muslims are few and far between. When it comes right down to it, Jews, Muslims, and Christians ALL worship the same God; the God of Abraham. This makes us brothers and sisters in our love for the Divine. I'm pretty sure that the last thing God wants is for His children to be killing each other in His holy name.

I am getting so sick and tired of reading these rants about the Muslims.

Do yourself a favor and go get to know a few.

Yeah, well I get sick of people calling Jesus a magical Jewish Zombie too, but as long as people are allowed to have opinions on the internet there's not much either of us are going to be able to do about it.

And I DO know Muslims. I've dated three Muslims girls in my life - a Palestinian, a Lebanese, and a Persian. I also have several Iranian and Kurdish friends on Youtube who have bothered to take the time to get to know me, and have realized that I'm NOT a bigot that slams entire religions - just those aspects that are offensive to God and the laws of nature. I've also spoken out against Christians, such as Westboro Baptist and Harold Camping; NOBODY is immune when it comes to me calling it the way I see it.

These are the Jews that lived in the holy land peacefully for centuries with Christians and Muslims while it was under Ottoman Turk control.

As second-class citizens. Here's a little article about the life of Jews inside Iran, written by an Iranian Jew; you can't get much more authoritative than that when it comes to the truth of how Jews living in Muslim countries are treated. If you don't mind having your worldview challenged, CLICKY DEH LINKY.

Or the many Christians of the world who ACTUALLY turn the other cheek.

Christ never expected us to turn the other cheek more than once. I've run all out of cheeks to turn.

This thread only creates more division and religious hatred, just what the world needs.

Epic fail.

No, this thread is intended to highlight the division that already exists, providing a forum to discuss it. If folks don't want to discuss it calmly, rationally, and without name calling, then they know where the door is. I would advise them to not let it hit them in the ass on the way out.

I have things to do nearly all day, so I won't be back on until evening Eastern time, at which point I will return to discuss the less idiotic and hateful posts. Have a great day.

reply to post by OldCorp

I'm hardly using the words of one man. I can post literally thousands of similar videos.

I can post vids of Televangelists as well. Obviously, the views of televangelists reflect on the personal belief of billions worldwide(They don't, you bigot)

Christian nutjobs are posting videos out of their basement somewhere and nobody listens to them, while on the other hand, this type of Muslim extremism is everyday programming on Arab television, and more often than not it is state-sponsored; THAT my friend is the big difference.

Uhuh, out of their basement and whatnot huh. I bet those millionaire televangelists sure broadcast out of their basements huh

But lets get real for one second here;

Do you know what gives you away? The fact that you imply Christians to be saints - and in the same breath imply Muslims are barbaric people. Take a look at the so many African and Asian countries where Christians go toe to toe with Muslims. How about Christians vs. Christians in Ireland - there were some bombings there.

I'd point to Hamas run al-Aqsa TV as an example.

Uhuh, I bet you understand Arabic fluently. Just as you understand Farsi...ow wait..."Persian".

So please forgive me if I don't buy into the "all Muslims aren't like that" excuse.

Excuse? You are hate and fearmongering here, mr. zionist journalist. I hope all this talk here lands you a job somewhere because I wouldn't like being a religious nutter without a job.

Shia vs Sunni mosque bombings anyone?

This is funny to me because how many Shia bombings have there been?

Militant Islamists have shown time and again that they are not afraid to take revenge, even on their fellow Muslims.

I present you with the American government.

The thing that disgusts me most is the common, everyday, bombings of mosques - committed by Muslims - as their "brethren" are on their knees in prayer. You would NEVER see Jews or Christians doing that.

Of course your history book does not include Ireland(or so many other places). How fitting, a Zionist with clouded knowledge about history.

Those Muslims that want to practice their religion in peace, and will allow me to practice mine in the same way, are the ones that I get along with; but lately it seems that those types of Muslims are few and far between.

Yeah, well I get sick of people calling Jesus a magical Jewish Zombie too, but as long as people are allowed to have opinions on the internet there's not much either of us are going to be able to do about it.

Except that some opinions are based more on fact than religious books. What was it that Jesus said again? "Turn the other cheek"? You're not really doing that are you, mr. Zionist? How would your God feel about that?

And I DO know Muslims. I've dated three Muslims girls in my life - a Palestinian, a Lebanese, and a Persian.

These girls were practicing Muslims? Or girls who didn't like their parental home and sought a way to rebel? How much did they really know?

I also have several Iranian and Kurdish friends on Youtube who have bothered to take the time to get to know me, and have realized that I'm NOT a bigot that slams entire religions

Youtube-friends. Of course they must be real. They can't be part of the FAKE people digital army set up by the US. I'm a Kurdish Iranian and I wouldn't want to be friends with you ever, and I'm one of the more informed ones.

just those aspects that are offensive to God and the laws of nature. I've also spoken out against Christians, such as Westboro Baptist and Harold Camping; NOBODY is immune when it comes to me calling it the way I see it.

Except for when you don't know about things that occur.

As second-class citizens. Here's a little article about the life of Jews inside Iran, written by an Iranian Jew; you can't get much more authoritative than that when it comes to the truth of how Jews living in Muslim countries are treated. If you don't mind having your worldview challenged, CLICKY DEH LINKY.

You know when you blasted a REAL link with the words: "Blatant propaganda"? Want to guess my next words?

Christ never expected us to turn the other cheek more than once. I've run all out of cheeks to turn.

And that's your interpretation? What about forgiving people seven hundred and seventy seven times(?)? How many people have SLAPPED you for you to turn the other cheek by the way? Or are you mixing metaphors up with reality now? Or are you just cherry picking from the bible like you do with history?

No, this thread is intended to highlight the division that already exists, providing a forum to discuss it. If folks don't want to discuss it calmly, rationally, and without name calling, then they know where the door is. I would advise them to not let it hit them in the ass on the way out.

You are a JOKE dude. One on the brink of insanity by reading how you believe you have youtube friends, the referral to past girlfriends, the intense belief in propaganda you portray, the twisting of logic, the clinging to logical fallacy...and then you tell others, this is a platform to highlight division when you are CREATING MORE OF IT? Like I said, a JOKE. They banned PPT for posting false information and leading people on, I wonder why they won't apply the same rule to jokers like yourself, because it's obvious to me what you are doing here.(as was the case with the other poster)


Edit:

I'll take bets that Pat Condell receives monthly financial incentives to keep bashing Muslims. (From the Mossad if I wasn't being clear enough)

Originally posted by Zamini

(They don't, you bigot)

I'm a Kurdish Iranian and I wouldn't want to be friends with you ever, and I'm one of the more informed ones.

I'm done responding to you. It is obvious that you are nothing but a hateful troll with no intention of conducting a debate in good will. You implied before that you were not a Muslim, but a "free-thinker," so that makes you a liar to boot.

Taquiyyeh much?

AMF

Originally posted by endlessknowledge

Originally posted by OldCorp

I have said repeatedly, and PROUDLY, that I support Israel because I'm a Christian, and for no other reason.

No other reason? How about common sense, logic or reasoning? But no you don't need that because you've found a shortcut through religion. No wonder you're so proud. Good for you.

What I'm in love with is the truth

How can you even say that when the only truth to you is your religion whatever corresponds with it? What if the foundation of your beliefs was based on a lie? How do you spot the truth when you are bias and misguided??

I don't know how many ways I'm going to have to prove it before even YOU admit that I'm only telling the truth as I see it.

Once again, you wouldn't know what the truth is if it bit you on the ass. You have been brainwashed and conditioned to have a very bias outlook on the world and you're attempting to spread your ignorance.

I have no other agenda,

Maybe not a direct agenda but you're spewing the nonsense that you've been TOLD is the truth and there is obviously an agenda in what you've been told. So it's more like pushing the agenda of others.

If you want to call me something, call me a Christian Zionist. I'll wear THAT label with pride.

Pride??? I think it's only fair that you put the above quote in your signature so that you can share your pride with the rest. It will also help the rest of us in knowing where your "truth" is coming from.

My definition of "Zionist" is a person who believes that Israel is the ancestral home of the Jews, that the land was given to them as an "eternal possession" by God Himself, and that the Jews should remain right where they are. I'd also like to see them make the whole of Jerusalem their capitol as it was in ancient times, and to see them rebuild their temple where it once stood.

"But wouldn't they have to destroy the Dome of the Rock to rebuild the temple?" I don't think so. I haven't done a survey of the land, but the Bible says that the "Court of the Gentiles" lays outside the temple proper. I can envision a rebuilt Jewish Temple standing right next to the Dome of the Rock in a perfect world; but I'm not going to hold my breath. According to Biblical prophecy, the temple WILL be rebuilt as the result of a 7 year peace treaty between the Jews and Arabs. As unlikely as that sounds, I guarantee that it will happen at some point. When it does, I hope folks will remember my words, and that this fulfilled prophecy will lead them to a greater understand and acceptance of the Bible as the inspired word of God.

Yes, my "Truth" is based on the Bible, a book accepted by Muslims and Jews (the OT part anyway,) as one from which all truth flows; when Mohammed came along, he just added a bit to what the Bible taught, and this addition became known as the Koran. But the truths I wind written in the Bible aren't the only truths upon which I draw. A LOT has happened in the 2,000 years since St. John penned the Book of Revelation, and I take that into account as well.

In addition to the Bible, MY truth is also based on what I see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears. While I agree that the majority of Muslims want to live in peace, there is a SIGNIFICANT portion that don't, and they are in control of the airwaves in most Muslim countries. The only country I can think of that identifies itself as a Muslim state yet doesn't allow a constant stream of Jihadist programming on it's airwaves is Turkey. Then again, Turkey has prided itself on being a SECULAR Muslim state; religious Muslim states like Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc. are where most of the world's terrorist attacks occur: 99 times out of 100, those terrorist attacks are aimed at other Muslims - not Jews or Christians - so when I speak out against terrorism, it would seem pretty obvious that MUSLIMS are the ones I'm defending.

You say I wouldn't know the truth if "it came up and bit me on the ass." Whose truth would that be exactly? Yours? Zamini's? Muslim truth? Jewish truth? Christian truth? Dude, the truth is the truth; and while my religion forms the basis of it, I can't ignore what I see and hear every day. I don't get all of my news from the MSM because ALL of the television channels are biased one way or another, to lesser or greater degrees. This is especially the case with Arab media.

BTW, for anyone who says Memri or PalWatch mistranslates the videos they grab from Arab TV, I would suggest that they don't know what they are talking about. If they were to make a habit of mistranslating Arab TV broadcasts, someone would call them on it and they would lose all credibility. To my knowledge, nobody has ever done that with any credibility themselves.

The perfect example of an accusation of mistranslation would be Ahmadinejad's statement to "wipe Israel off the map." When Western media was accused of mistranslating what he said this was a cause of concern for me because not only was a mistranslation - purposeful or accidental - a real possibility, but because various states were basing policy on that statement, and other very similar statements he has made.

So I took the question to a man who I knew spoke Farsi and asked him to translate it for me. I had done it before with tapes of Osama bin Laden because I wanted to know EXACTLY what he said - not the US government's version of what he said - and he really saved me from making a fool of myself once because what the government claimed OBL said wasn't quite accurate..

After listening to Ahmadinejad's statements, taking their context into consideration, my friend told me unequivocally that when Ahmadinejad said he wants to "wipe Israel off the map" that is EXACTLY what he meant. He was NOT saying "the Zionist regime will disappear from the pages of history," or any of the other absurd explanations given by his apologists. He wants to destroy Israel, and the Jews along with it - period.

I don't let ANY of the network talking heads tell me what to think. I get my news from a wide variety of sources, from the BBC and RT to al-Jazeera, al-Arabiya and Press-TV, and back again to FOX, CNN, and MSNBC. I take everything I have read, listened to, or watched into consideration before I decide for myself what the "truth" is.

So anyone wanting to know what the REAL truth is, unbiased and free from any corporate agenda, needs to listen to what I have to say. They may not like what I have to say - believe me, I get snip from ALL sides because what I have to say rarely fits anyone's worldview - but whatever I have to say IS the truth as I see it. My truth is an informed and unvarnished version truth, complimented by years of study of international events and history, and while not many people agree with me all of the time, I'm satisfied with the validity of it.

reply to post by OldCorp


Bigot. Bigot. Bigot. You know it is true. I'll demonstrate;

I'm done responding to you. It is obvious that you are nothing but a hateful troll with no intention of conducting a debate in good will.

Yes, the troll argument. I've not heard that one before. Why is that? Because I challenge your imaginary theocratic society?

You implied before that you were not a Muslim, but a "free-thinker," so that makes you a liar to boot.

So now being a Kurd or Iranian makes me Muslim, got it, bigot.