Woozy from wifi? 'Electrosensitive' say modern life makes them ill

Woozy from wifi? 'Electrosensitive' say modern life makes them ill

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Much of modern life — the buzzing of cell phones, the humming of laptops, the ubiquity of wifi — is enough to give anyone a headache. But what if electromagnetic waves really did make you sick?

For people who call themselves "electrosensitive," life in our plugged-in world is becoming increasingly unbearable. As they define it, electrosensitivity syndrome is characterized by headaches, rashes, nausea, fatigue and even fainting when sufferers come too close to electromagnetic radiation.

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I thought there might be more than just a human-interest angle here. I had questions about that like, is there an agenda to this? By the third paragraph I had a clue why someone might be taking an interest in and having sympathy for this infirmity.

Although electrosensitivity is not recognized as a medical diagnosis, it's a condition those in Europe are especially concerned about — in fact, earlier this month, leaders from the Council of Europe pushed to ban cell phones and wifi in schools, the Telegraph reported.

Yeah, cell phones and wi-fi must really wreak havok on a sensitive system. Worse than power lines, radio and TV broadcast signals, two-way radio signals, major electronic appliances, etc. Better quash the personal information sources first.

Anyone else detect an odor?

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There is a topic like this every so often on ATS. There are plenty of arguments going around, but most all seem scientifically lacking.

Wifi is just radio waves. The most that can ever really happen is that the radio waves will vibrate the water molecules in your skin. The waves can't possibly reach any further than your skin because the wavelength is just to large. Plus, I think the amount of vibrating water molecules is too small of human nerves to sense.

Like the article states, there has been many scientific tests done to see if "electrosensitive people" could detect wifi signals with blind folds on, and the results matched the same results as people who were just guessing. So, I really think something else is going on here and they are just trying to blame it on wifi.

There exists radio waves of all types of frequencies all over the entire surface of the Earth. The majority of radio waves are natural radio waves that are constantly emitted from the Sun and every single star in the sky, so I am fairly certain our bodies have adapted to radio waves over the years.

I really don't believe wifi can be detected by the human body.

I was sitting on the couch the other day watching some TV before I had to head off to the dentist. At some point I noticed that the router that was maybe 10 feet away from me was making an odd buzzing noise, so I walked over to check it out and started playing around with it to make the noise stop. After being near it for about 2 minutes I started to hear a weird buzzing in my head that was mimicking, but not perfectly, the noise coming from the router at which point I unplugged the damn thing so it would stop making noise (not loud but more like a higher frequency mosquito buzzing inside your ears). After unplugging it the noise in my head did not subside, and I subsequently began to feel nauseous and dizzy to the point that I had to go and collapse in my bed. Luckily I was fine after a several hour nap.

This was definitely a weird experience for me as nothing similar has ever happened to me that I can remember. It really felt like there was some sort of radiation emanating from the router and messing me up. Definitely not a pleasant experience by any means.

I don't think I am sensitive to EM radiation, but another phenomenon I have noticed is that whenever I walk through those anti theft scanners, the ones that every store likes to put at the entrance/exit (they trigger an alarm when a safety tag is taken through), I get a weird electrical buzzing inside my head that grows as I approach and diminishes as I walk past.

Has anyone else ever experienced events similar to these? Is there any sort of explanation for these phenomena? I would definitely like to hear from someone who has looked into this topic.


Good post OP.

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Your experience with the router seems to me like you might have a very slight case of epilepsy which is sometimes triggered by sounds.

...and the security doors usually work on radio frequencies as well. If these devices were actually effecting you, then you would be sick all day every day because there is radio waves all over the surface of the Earth at all times. So it can't be these devices, and it is more likely you are just having some medical issue and you are blaming it on these devices.

Any electrical buzzing you "hear in your head" is just your ears picking up sounds like they are designed to do... or some other medical issue.

I can confirm this from my own experience and symptoms I have been having over the last twelve months or so.

I´ll explain; firstly 15 months ago I had moved to another country and found myself working from home more often than not. I was using the pc and wifi for about 10 hours a day and had been suffering form all sorts of symptoms at that time. Mainly headaches, raches in my face and neck area and nausea.

After many trips to the the Doctor the results were inconclusive, I was fine in every test. These symptoms continued right up until two months ago when I found myself away from from the computer for 8 weeks and everything I´d been suffering from had disappeared.

I am now back in front of the pc and guess what ? It´s starting to build up again. For me there is no other explaination.

Peace.

I think electric cycles emit frequencies. Motors epsecially @ 50hz and 60 hz there is a distinct difference.

Fluoro tubes. I can hear the different brands

Australia runs on 240v and Usa runs on 110v. I noticed a difference whilst vising the USA.

110v equipment I have found has less noise. The average person would never tell the difference.

Do not know about wifi though....

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


In all honesty, I believe it because it happens to me. I can't be on a computer for more than 25-30 minutes at a time without a 10-15 minute break. I get nauseous. I once tried to defy the nausea, and ended up throwing up.. lol

There was a time when I was completely unable to sleep at night and after trying out a lot of different methods to help me, I removed the TV from my bedroom, took my laptop, cell phone, even alarm clock out of the room, and slept like a baby. 2 years later, I simply do not 'allow' electronics in my bedroom, and try to keep them in my house only in moderation.

I was told that I vibrate/operate on a frequency that just isn't compatible with the frequency of my electronics.

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try a netbook on lithium batteries

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That's what I work with now. =) Even still, I can't use it liberally, the nausea comes like clock work.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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That's what I work with now. =) Even still, I can't use it liberally, the nausea comes like clock work.

have you had your eyer tested recently?

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20/20.. No glasses in my forecast. I thought that was the problem at one time, but the same thing happens when I'm on the phone. Keep it under 20 minutes because I WILL get sick and hang up on you. lol

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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20/20.. No glasses in my forecast. I thought that was the problem at one time, but the same thing happens when I'm on the phone. Keep it under 20 minutes because I WILL get sick and hang up on you. lol

inner ear?

just guessing

Originally posted by linkshot1000
I am now back in front of the pc and guess what ? It´s starting to build up again. For me there is no other explaination.

Peace.

I think there is other explanations other than radio signals causing it. I have a question for you... Is your computer monitor an LCD screen or a CRT screen?

I ask because your symptoms sound like the same symptoms that some people get when they are near faulty or cheap fluorescent light bulbs. LCD screens have fluorescent tubes in them... Some people are sensitive to the wavelengths of light from fluorescent tubes (photosensitive) and they get rashes.... some people with epilepsy will get migraines and or have seizures from florescent tube light. The light also is known to worsen skin rashes in people with diseases such as dermatitis, eczema, lupus, porphyria and Xeroderma Pigmentosum.

I think it may be your computer monitor causing these issues...

I can feel if electronic things are on. Like if the TV is on but the screen has went to black after playing a video game and isn't turned off. My parents can't seem to feel/hear it, whatever it is that I can sense. Or I can feel if I left my computer on if I go to lay down on at night, I have to get up and turn it off or it bothers me. Just sensing the energy, similar if you can feel if someone is behind you.

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Your case also sounds like epilepsy. Computer screens and TVs flash light at very fast rates and will cause nausea in people with photosensitive epilepsy.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Yeah, cell phones and wi-fi must really wreak havok on a sensitive system. Worse than power lines, radio and TV broadcast signals, two-way radio signals, major electronic appliances, etc. Better quash the personal information sources first.

You are yet another one of the ignorant people who see a conspiracy in everything. How can being bathed with electromagnetic radiation be a good thing for the body? More to the point, cell phones and wi-fi are microwave radiation, the examples you listed above are not. Know what you talk about first.

Interesting post OP!

I have often wondering about this. I'm a younger person who grew up around computers and have never had any issues. But maybe I am used to it? I could see how its possible for some people to be "allergic/irritated" to any of these sources of radiation. We do know that humans emit a small magnetic field. I would imagine it like the earth, which emits its own magnetic field that protects us from solar radiation. We know that during period of intense solar activity, the magnetic field can be slammed and contract in a sense. Is it possible for some people, especially older people who weren't raised in such an environment, to be more sensitive to such radiation?

When I was younger, I noticed something that me an my brother tried an experiment on. its easy, you can try it at home, and let us know if you get similar results. what I noticed is that I could detect an object (preferred a graphite pencil) if it was in close proximity to my forehead, say within an inch. And this was over the part of my forehead that Hindus would typically put jewels on their forehead to symbolize their third eye(?). But what we noticed is that we could detect these pencils when they were close, with our eyes closed. I would feel a sort of warm/tingly pressure on my forehead. I did a quick search and apparently graphite seems to interact quite well with magnetic fields. Is it possible? give it a try!

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Yeah, cell phones and wi-fi must really wreak havok on a sensitive system. Worse than power lines, radio and TV broadcast signals, two-way radio signals, major electronic appliances, etc. Better quash the personal information sources first.

You are yet another one of the ignorant people who see a conspiracy in everything. How can being bathed with electromagnetic radiation be a good thing for the body? More to the point, cell phones and wi-fi are microwave radiation, the examples you listed above are not. Know what you talk about first.

Did you read the article? Most of those complaining of having the sensitivity were having problems with those types of devices I named, no TV, radio, refrigerators, even electric lights in their homes. I really don't see anyone with that sensitivity naming cell phones or wi-fi devices specifically except those agencies who are talking about ridding schools and public places from using these devices.

Schools not benefit from having wi-fi?? I would consider those institutions the places that could benefit most from this technology. If there is a problem with those frequencies the solution would be to find another band for that standard. What those devices have in common is that they are personal information devices. That type of device would have more of a conspiratorial reason for wanting to get rid of them. These devices put out much less power and utilize weaker signals than others I named - less electromagnetic and RF "pollution".

I will assume you are somewhat ignorant about such matters or just didn't read the article rather than being another that may have such an agenda to want to quash personal communications.

This seems somewhat related to an earlier thread here on ATS:

"Hearing Voices in Your Head is Now Normal"


In that thread I proposed a somewhat off-beat hypothosis. Take a look and see what you all think:

posted on 28-5-2011 @ 07:54 AM

Actually, I've been expecting something like this for some time now.


I have a theory regarding this phenonenom, but I've hesistated to discuss it because most would simply dismiss the theory as "impossible', if not out right ridiculous. And yet, now we have evidence that there seems to be a sufficiently large enough population experiencing this phenonenom to declare it "normal".


So maybe my theory has some merit.

Anyway, here goes:


We live in an environment bathed in electromagnetic radiation (EM). Our modern world is becoming increasingly saturated with EM radiation: radio, TV, cell phones, the background "hum" of millions of computers, electronic devices of every discription and function, the list grows every day.

Add to this, the EM fields generated by other electrrical, but non-"electronic", sources, such as the multitudes of electric power lines (and I am talking about all power lines, not just high voltage lines) and the plethora of electric motors and other devices that occupy our shared world.

And all this is on top of the various sources of natural EM radiation: the EM field generated by the Earth itself, as well as the charged particles continuously bombarding the planet fron the Sun and outer space.

Humans evolved in this natural background of EM radiation, long before the advent of the electrical and electronic Tsunami we modern apes enveloped ourselves in.

Our brains are electro-chemical in construction. Our thoughts are the function of electrical impulses coursing between the nuerons in our brains. Our minds, the very essence of who we experience ourselves to be, may be thought of as a persistant EM field, which is expressed as a memory; not entirely unlike a bit of data stored on a computer chip; though vastly more complex.

One thing we must recognize about EM fields is that they are interactive; one field, no matter how weak, will affect another EM field with which it comes into contact, no matter how strong the second field is, relatively speaking.

Now consider, as we increasingly saturate our environment with a multitude of EM fields, produced and modulated by our various devices, is it not inevitable that these fields will begin to touch, and even overlap in some places? And where contact is made, will there not be influence, interference, or even "communication" induced between the fields?

As I said, the human brain evolved in a relatively low level EM field to begin with. But we must not allow ourselves to believe that the Human animal has stopped evolving in any way. The process of evolution is on-going, and it continues, in us, even to this day. And evolution is nothing but a response to Environment! If a given environment changes over time, evolution will induce changes to the animals inhabiting that environment to help them adapt to those changes. It works for hedgehogs, it works the same way for humans.


And so now to the heart of my theory: As we humans change our environment by ever increasing the strength and diversity of its EM fields, we are, in fact, inducing the processes of evolution to change ourselves. We appear to be inducing our brains to become increasingly sensitive to, and receptive of, patterns perceived in the EM environment.


My hypothosis is that this evolutionary change is begining to allow some amoung us to actually discern "real" messages from the background "noise" of the EM environment: in a sense, some of us are turning into human "radio receivers": for some, their brains' have become sensitive enough to the EM radiations around them that they are able to "pick out" the distinctive pulse-pattern that distinguishes a message from just the hum of an electric motor.

Truth can be stranger than fiction, sometimes!