Anti-Gay Concentration Camps

reply to post by D1Useek


Being gay isn't a lifestyle. It's a sexual attraction, just like heterosexuality isn't a lifestyle.

But if you're going to be outspoken against homosexuality, then you should prepare for people to be outspoken and critical of you and your opinion. You aren't exempt from the action that you yourself are practicing.

reply to post by Nutter


I am a sinner saved by G-d's grace.
I don't eat shellfish or pork.
I had a hysterectomy in 1998,no monthly cycle anymore.
I have a tendency to be judgmental because I am a woman.
I didn't weave the cloth my clothes are made from.
Anything else you want to know?

I don't approve of kidnapping these children and torturing
them.I am saying simply,homosexuality is a sin take this
anyway you see fit.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Personally, i'd love to send you to a camp and make you feel ashamed and dirty for having the mindset that homosexuality is a "disease" - But two wrongs dont make a right, and your opinion is your opinion, just wish you had actually put some thought into it

Although I don't agree with the poster you responded too, I wanted to point this out.

They already send straight people to 'camps' if they talk poorly about homosexuality.

It is called 'Sensitivity Training'. There they rely on emotional and financial torture to make you change.

Ie: You will lose much social standing and career if you do not change.

To the topic at hand. Blame the parents. They created the demand by wanting a way to 'cure' homosexuality. Seriously, who would sign children up for this crap?

reply to post by arbitrarygeneraiist


the guys taking it probably feels some pain in the lower back area
the girls probably not so much unless they strap on a big one

Originally posted by Lysergic
Good ol' Utah, can always rely on y'all to make Texas look less redneck bible thumpin...

Come on now. Mormons don't bible thump, they don't even read the bible.
The doctrines and covenants and the book of mormon are their weapons of choice.

But they are a bunch of rednecks here in southern utah, that part you're right about.

I am really shocked that there are people who feel the way they do about other fellow humans. Especially the "Sin" approach to this. Casting stones! That's what most of you are doing.

I am less-likely to believe this story given our "times" with airport security and so forth; not that the Camp doesn't exist, or that there wasn't an escort, but to say a child was led around on a leash in humiliation in an airport I find suspect. I would have demanded an explanation upon sight of such a thing, I am dead serious!

I am Gay and I can honestly say that I know quite a few people that have had to endure such "Camps" and "Homes" as they like to call them. Places of religious doctrines twisted with untruths about what is really Natural. Curing the Gays! How ridiculous! LOL The cure is to "Come Out"!

The Cure to Life is to be Happy and Respectful of all Living Beings, and if we are lucky, to Share ourselves with others along the way!

I feel for any child who is subjected to the indoctrinations of the "truly Sick"; they, like myself, will grow into adulthood and they will carry their pain throughout their lives. Likely they will find the courage and strength to cast out the Demons, living or otherwise; then they will be Free! It is all I can hope for as I forgive the hater as best as I can; I forgive you enough to say "No More", not in my Life you don't!

OP, I see no evidence of "concentration camps".

Naked people on trains, shoved into overcrowded warehouses, gassed, tortured, thrown into big pits and shot, like ragdolls. None of that.

Disturbing story nonetheless....If either of my kids turn out gay I won't be happy but I will still love and support them.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by samusaran253

Originally posted by 12voltz
reply to post by samusaran253

 

Does it work?

Do you even have to ask? You can't cure something that isn't a disease.

homosexuality is a disease, or at the least a disorder. It is caused either by genetic, hormonal, bacteria/viral or psychological. But it does have a "cause", meaning one day it can be "cured".

That said such barbaric treatment is inherently inhumane and even if this method did work, the method is worse then the original sickness. Once they create a pill or injection based cure then sure round up and force it into the gay's, till then just leave them be as long as they aren't bothering or harming someone else.

Personally, i'd love to send you to a camp and make you feel ashamed and dirty for having the mindset that homosexuality is a "disease" - But two wrongs dont make a right, and your opinion is your opinion, just wish you had actually put some thought into it

So I am guessing if they one day created a cure for Crohns disease, schizophrenia or autism you would be against that as well? You gay's are very self defeating. Make no mistake about it, homosexuality is a "disorder".
And just because something isn't "good" doesn't mean it is automatically bad.

If a person is blind does that make them automatically any lesser of a person? Homosexuality is a relatively benign disorder. Legally if homosexuals acknowledged that fact they would automatically be covered under the American's with disability act.

It is just how some people are because of biological factors(very little evidence that it is psychological in origin).
We ignore the fact that we are biological beings too when it is inconvenient. Marriage itself is a religious/spiritual union between man and woman with the intended goal of continuing society.

Were Adam and Eve married in the Garden of Eden?

From a social view point civil unions(which is what marriages also are in the eyes of the legal system) serves two functions. Enables society to use economic forces to expand or contract families. And it ensures more social economic stability(the point in life is to live, so as long as people are able to live without being a headache,problem to society[homelessness etc]).

Gay's cannot directly procreate within their union as a matter of fact. Ain't happening, so it is nothing like infertile heterosexual couples that occasionally happen. And single mothers who "go it alone", really go it alone when they go to a fertility clinic/sperm bank.

Because what is next? Gay's demanding the "equal right" to have tax payers fund and mandate their "right to procreate"? Have a lottery of new born babies where the infant is conscripted so gay's can have the family experience?

The moment homosexuals try to force society to adapt to their iota(imagine if a person with a multi- personality disorder demanded the right to have a different spouse for each personality ) is the moment it is no longer benign.

Ok, take for consideration the fact that the pentagon wanted to build a "gay bomb". They wouldn't ask to build one unless they thought it was possible. Now if you can engineer it one way you should be able to engineer ur the other way as well(finding a cure).

There will always be conflict on some levels that will manifest over time as one sexuality taking prominence over another type. It has happened before in history when homosexualism held prominence after a society shown ever increasing tolerance towards it(usually right before the end of said civilization). It probably has something to do with the phenomenon of people medicating their friends(like a person with depression would advocate to a friend that they need it).

And frankly spoken I reject that slippery slope. I don't want to live in the final destination of the slope many are advocating. It doesn't mean society should be cruel and immoral towards homosexuals.

reply to post by korathin


You can take this from me, a SWM, any way you wish.

Being gay is no different that me prefering dark haired women with small to medium breasts and athletic stomachs.

I don't know why that is my preference, it has always just been that way.

I have tried a couple of times (especially in my youth) to go after the 'norm' (large breasted, blondes) for my area...but it never worked. My heart wanted what my heart wanted. This did lead to much ridicule, but it never once changed how I felt internally and I never realised hapiness until I gave into my hearts desires.

There is no explanation outside of that, that is required.

Edit to add:

I know that this absolutely pales in comparison to what the majority of homosexuals will go through in their lives. It is just the closest way I could describe it without having actually experienced their side.

Many will think I am crazy but there is an esoteric explanation for homosexuality. We live many lives as male or female. (If you don't believe in reincarnation see scientific proof at: reluctant-messenger.com... ) So we can learn to work with the male and female energies. We all have both male and female energies however the body we are born in is the energy the soul designates we are to be polarized in for that lifetime and for our learning. If one has been female for several lifetimes and then incarnates as a male then for some it may take a life to adjust to the male polarization hence they are still polarized in thier female energy and that translates to their attraction to the male energy and vice versa of one was male and then incarnates as female. The Male is the sender and the female is the receiver. And that is in no way is a reflection of any culture that the female is somehow inferior. Both energies have thier purpose and need to be blended eventually.

Homosexuality is not a sin and it is in fact pretty insignificant and they should not be discriminated against in any way. By the same token they should not be pushing any militant agenda either other then to be treated with the same respect as anyone else There are far more important things we humans need to be working on then worrying about homosexuality. Basic rule of thumb is no harm no crime.

Some will not like hearing this however they need to hear it, many will not accept it however eventually they will come to know it is true if not in this life in some other life. So if you feel the need to flame It won't bother me I would expect some to be upset. I just felt prompted to put this out there for a new perspective on the issue. You are not your sexual preference you are far more sophisticated beings then just the animal body. Eventually we will get all these energies under control as that is part of what we are here for.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Homosexuality is a sin,not a disease.
Now,what kind of camp do you want to send me to?

Sin? By who's opinion?
You can only go to hell if you believe in it.

As i said, two wrongs dont make a right. YOU might believe that homosexuality is a "sin" but its not a disease.
Personally, i regard organized religion as one of the biggest threats to vunerable people, You gonna send me to a camp to cure me of that opinion?

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by Nutter

 

I am a sinner saved by G-d's grace.
I don't eat shellfish or pork.
I had a hysterectomy in 1998,no monthly cycle anymore.
I have a tendency to be judgmental because I am a woman.
I didn't weave the cloth my clothes are made from.
Anything else you want to know?

I don't approve of kidnapping these children and torturing
them.I am saying simply,homosexuality is a sin take this
anyway you see fit.

I respect your right to have your own belief system and such, though it really does drive me nuts when people brush aside scientific evidence and thousands of years of history proving that homosexuality is a common occurance in animals and human beings.
If it doesnt hurt anyone, why get involved? Cant fix something thats not broken yano?
Plus, wouldnt you have more luck persecuting pedophile priests that destroy and abuse young people, often leaving them with problems in later life? Nah, lets just persecute homosexuals that have consentual adult relationships with eachother, easier to feel like you have made a diference that way

Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Personally, i'd love to send you to a camp and make you feel ashamed and dirty for having the mindset that homosexuality is a "disease" - But two wrongs dont make a right, and your opinion is your opinion, just wish you had actually put some thought into it

Although I don't agree with the poster you responded too, I wanted to point this out.

They already send straight people to 'camps' if they talk poorly about homosexuality.

It is called 'Sensitivity Training'. There they rely on emotional and financial torture to make you change.

Ie: You will lose much social standing and career if you do not change.

To the topic at hand. Blame the parents. They created the demand by wanting a way to 'cure' homosexuality. Seriously, who would sign children up for this crap?

edit on 30-5-2011 by peck420 because: (no reason given)

I see your point and i understand what your getting at, but "sensitivity training" is probably a good thing? I mean, they used to smash up gays for being different, would you like to live in a society where people get beaten half to death for being gay? For being a certain color? For just being different to others?
I know i wouldnt. People should absolutly have a CHOICE wether they attend "sensitivity training"

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Personally, i'd love to send you to a camp and make you feel ashamed and dirty for having the mindset that homosexuality is a "disease" - But two wrongs dont make a right, and your opinion is your opinion, just wish you had actually put some thought into it

Although I don't agree with the poster you responded too, I wanted to point this out.

They already send straight people to 'camps' if they talk poorly about homosexuality.

It is called 'Sensitivity Training'. There they rely on emotional and financial torture to make you change.

Ie: You will lose much social standing and career if you do not change.

To the topic at hand. Blame the parents. They created the demand by wanting a way to 'cure' homosexuality. Seriously, who would sign children up for this crap?

edit on 30-5-2011 by peck420 because: (no reason given)

I see your point and i understand what your getting at, but "sensitivity training" is probably a good thing? I mean, they used to smash up gays for being different, would you like to live in a society where people get beaten half to death for being gay? For being a certain color? For just being different to others?
I know i wouldnt. People should absolutly have a CHOICE wether they attend "sensitivity training"

This is why I think most people are stupid. Who would want to live around or near people who would want to smash you for who you are? Seriously what idiot would want to stay in a location where the locals obviously don't want them around? It would make more sense to seek out a community(or make one) where you would be welcomed. The whole concept of forcing others to change to suite you is frankly spoken kind of creepy. It is like stalking + control freak all rolled into one.

That is/was the problem of most ethnic groups in America, they always tried to suck up to and conform to the Anglo(English) standard. Instead of doing the smart thing of forming their own communities they instead tried to force Anglo's to "like them". Yeah that turned out well.....


The point of life is to live. Instead of trying to get oil to blend with water, why not let water be water and oil be oil in their own separate containers?

Originally posted by LargeFries
I'm confused. I've never before heard of or read any association between Mormon and 'a far right-wing sect of Christianity'.

Let me tell you - - - Official Mormons (not individual Mormons) have become extremely Right Wing.

My hubby who was raised Mormon officially resigned from the church because of Prop8. He was raised that Mormons don't criticize other beliefs. (I am not saying sexual orientation is a belief). But some believe it is a choice - - not a birthright.

reply to post by korathin

The point of life is to live. Instead of trying to get oil to blend with water, why not let water be water and oil be oil in their own separate containers?

The problem is, there are no separate containers. Gay people are everywhere, and bigots are also pretty widespread. Indeed, these two groups will tend to associate more among themselves, but in the end, some confrontation is often inevitable. Also, the US is not called "the melting pot" just for the heck of it. There is only one container.

Actually this is not new.
At least in US film and popular culture such camps are often mentioned.
The character Bree in Desperate Housewives sent her son to one, and there was a whole reality series on "British brats" sent to a camp in Utah.
However, nothing was mentioned on sexuality in such programs.

A while back these camps were seen as "ex-gay" ministry camps, but now it seems they aim to "cure" your kid of any unwanted behavior.
The film "But I'm a Cheerleader" as well as an episode of South Park focused on the ex-gay aspects (and the ex-ex-gays who come to the rescue).
I wonder how much truth there is to it all.
It's known that such institutions exist for adults who wish to be ex-gays (and not surprisingly they are known as popular gender segregated pick-up places). However, they hardly seem militarized.
It almost reminds one of kidnappings by cult deprogrammers in the 1970s.
These were eventually accused of cult-like techniques themselves, and some Jewish parents got their kids back from the deprogrammers as Christians!

If it's true, then it's absolutely disgusting.

The 2007 film "Boot Camp" also deals with unruly (straight) teens sent to a rehab island.
It suggests that sexual abuse is widespread, and mentions in the credits that such places do indeed exist.
en.wikipedia.org...(film)
The focus here is more on drugs, but the delusional camp commander imagines he can produce pretty much whatever the parents want.
Recently such camps were in the SA news, after a teen was tortured to death at a Christian rehabilitation center (Noupoort), and another died after attending a "conservation school" which turned out to be a right-wing training camp.

reply to post by mamabeth


u related to my first wife?

what is with the anti-gay thing, it reached it's peak in 1957.

get over it, all of you.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Personally, i'd love to send you to a camp and make you feel ashamed and dirty for having the mindset that homosexuality is a "disease" - But two wrongs dont make a right, and your opinion is your opinion, just wish you had actually put some thought into it

Although I don't agree with the poster you responded too, I wanted to point this out.

They already send straight people to 'camps' if they talk poorly about homosexuality.

It is called 'Sensitivity Training'. There they rely on emotional and financial torture to make you change.

Ie: You will lose much social standing and career if you do not change.

To the topic at hand. Blame the parents. They created the demand by wanting a way to 'cure' homosexuality. Seriously, who would sign children up for this crap?

edit on 30-5-2011 by peck420 because: (no reason given)

I see your point and i understand what your getting at, but "sensitivity training" is probably a good thing? I mean, they used to smash up gays for being different, would you like to live in a society where people get beaten half to death for being gay? For being a certain color? For just being different to others?
I know i wouldnt. People should absolutly have a CHOICE wether they attend "sensitivity training"

This is why I think most people are stupid. Who would want to live around or near people who would want to smash you for who you are? Seriously what idiot would want to stay in a location where the locals obviously don't want them around? It would make more sense to seek out a community(or make one) where you would be welcomed. The whole concept of forcing others to change to suite you is frankly spoken kind of creepy. It is like stalking + control freak all rolled into one.

That is/was the problem of most ethnic groups in America, they always tried to suck up to and conform to the Anglo(English) standard. Instead of doing the smart thing of forming their own communities they instead tried to force Anglo's to "like them". Yeah that turned out well.....


The point of life is to live. Instead of trying to get oil to blend with water, why not let water be water and oil be oil in their own separate containers?

Your advocating exile for being different? My god, homosexuals believe it or not, are just as human as me and you, there is no reason why they cannot live peacefully with everybody else.
As for ethnic groups in america, i think you'll find that they do "band" together, forming their own neighbourhoods.
If moved all homosexuals in america to a certain area, then everyone would know where to find them, eventually someone would come looking for trouble and that would most likely be due to that said person being brainwashed that homosexuality is wrong. Sure, maybe you wouldnt take it that far, but we know there is enough nutters out there that would.
It would be easier if we all just kept our nose's out of other peoples private business. If it isnt hurting anyone then surely there is no need to get involved?

For most of my adult life I thought being homosexual was a choice, and for
some people it may be, but I thought back through my childhood and I
realized that two kids I knew in elementary school were flaming
homosexuals.

This was 3rd and 4th grade, hormones were still on the horizon and none
of us really talked much about sex because we didn't understand it.
(kids were a bit more innocent in the 60's)

But these two boys had all of the mannerisms of an adult homosexual man
and their parents weren't fostering or encouraging the behaviour it was just
their natural way.

After reviewing memories of those kids I have come to the conclusion that
it has to be genetic in origin.

Outside of genetics, the only other thing I could attribute those boys actions
to would be reincarnation, regardless that is how they were born.