Buckle up in your car or get a ticket, yet motorcylists don't have to wear helmets?

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ldyserenity
...but as an adult I am responsible for what happens to me not the state not the federal government, nobody else.

You do realize being restrained gives you better opportunity to control your own car - - in case something happens.

By controlling your own car - - you are less likely to cause harm to those outside your vehicle or another vehicle.

So - - it really isn't just about you.

Actually I feel it restricts my range of motion. Especially since when I hit my breaks every time every every time the damn seatbelt will not move (restrainig me) and I can barely reach my steering wheel cause it has me plastered to the damn seat. Yes I am short, I have short arms and my seat doesn't move close enough to the wheel for me. I even use a pillow but when the seatbelt locks I cannot barely make a turn much less have control. And this isn't stomping the break either, this is with normal breaking.

So you are saying there's a mechanical failure in your seatbelt; which causes you to possibly lose control of your vehicle?
Or you are physically too small to operate it safely?
('nuff said I think...).

reply to post by 46ACE


I'm saying the seatbelt restricts my movement because the Seat doesn't adjust right. Smart ASS

Originally posted by MrWendal
As far as helmets, I have to ask, have you ever rode a bike and wore one? They actually can obstruct your vision and cause you to lay a bike down over something that can easily be avoided, and anyone who has had to lay a bike down can tell you..... when you do it, you are rolling the dice with your life.

That is one of the biggest piles of tosh I have ever read in my life! I wear a full-face helmet and it restricts my vision in no way whatsoever. The visor is big enough to allow me full vision even in peripheral areas whilst protecting my eyes from bugs, flies and grit. If I concede that perhaps it may narrow my vision in the extreme area (though mostly in the vertical plane, not the horizontal) the narrowing is by such a small amount that if you can miss something in this area that is going to cause you to crash, you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle. You need to go and take some road awareness training. On a bike you should be looking as far down the road as possible. Your main focus is on the road as far forward as you can see, planning your lines well in advance of actually getting there. Your peripheral vision can deal with any small items that pop up.

What I also don't get is this american habit of talking about "laying a bike down" to avoid something. You've got brakes, you have the ability to steer. Use them. There's no reason to purposely put a bike on the floor and I have never once heard a British biker talk of doing this, yet it seems every american has done it at least once (or talked about it). Why is this? Mentality? Lack of training? Lack of forward planning and awareness? The types of bikes you ride? I would love to know.

Wear a helmet. It WILL save your bonce in a spill.

reply to post by cheesyleps


Finally someone who knows bikes and how to ride them.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by 46ACE

 

I'm saying the seatbelt restricts my movement because the Seat doesn't adjust right. Smart ASS

This is an excuse - - a lame excuse at that.

My mom was physically disabled. I grew up with people of all kinds of physical difficulties.

If your seat isn't adequate - - then have it fixed to fit you.

In 2007 I was riding my motorcycle and was hit head on by an SUV in a blind curve. They were completely on my side of the road. I happened to be wearing my helmet and it ended up saving my life, although it took me over a year to recover from other injuries.

IMO though, you should be able to decide whether you want to wear a helmet or not, just like you should be able to decide whether or not to wear a seatbelt, if you are an adult. I still ride a motorcycle and sometimes I will wear a helmet and sometimes I wont.

I'ts all a money racket between the government and insurance companies......$$$$$$$$ is all they care about.....We are no more than a piss ant to them...You'll see what I mean real soon now.....

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by ExPostFacto

 

Sounds like federal blackmail to me.

Well look at the data and there is a tremendous amount of money being distributed for these seatbelt laws. Here is one such example in the link below. Imagine $116,000 of free money and all the police has to do is perform a job they should be doing anyway. Except the trick is that they do it for results to get more funding. They pull people over and set up DUI checkpoints with the monies. And we all thought it was some kind of conspiracy that police were setting up check points everywhere. The things people will do for some extra money to keep their jobs.

www.desplaines.org...

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by 46ACE

 

I'm saying the seatbelt restricts my movement because the Seat doesn't adjust right. Smart ASS

This is an excuse - - a lame excuse at that.

My mom was physically disabled. I grew up with people of all kinds of physical difficulties.

If your seat isn't adequate - - then have it fixed to fit you.

There are medical exemptions for seatbelts is most if not all states in the US. A "doctor" has to approve you first, but you still can get pulled over there will just be an exemption letter on your DL so the cop cannot write you a ticket for the seatbelt violation.

Originally posted by jrod
There are medical exemptions for seatbelts is most if not all states in the US. A "doctor" has to approve you first, but you still can get pulled over there will just be an exemption letter on your DL so the cop cannot write you a ticket for the seatbelt violation.

Yes - there are.

My mom had one. She did not make excuses. She went through the proper channels and got an exemption.

Try the same in Germany and you ll lose your license on the spot (driving with no helmet on)... even with a bicycle on the sidewalk, if the wrong cop stops you, you could lose your drivers license... the only people alllowed to drive a motorbike without a helmet are people of the Sikh-faith who must wear a turban and its not allowed for them to take it off, so they drive with no helmets

reply to post by WeRpeons


I'm in the UK where seat belts have been made mandatory for a few years now.
All the BS arguments against seat belts, like - " They restrict my breathing " etc have all been heard before, at the end of the day seat belts save lives and only a monkey would not uses one.

Is this yet another money making scheme by TPTB ? Well yes to my mind it is, because they know that millions will flip authority the finger and rightly demand the freedom to choose, which they do already.


Cycle helmets ? All that I can say is if your laws become anything like ours use religous privalage as over here if your religion involves wearing a rag on your head such as a Sikh then you don't have to wear a helmet,

With this in mind, perhaps if all Americans joined a none seat belt wearing relgion then the churches would start losing revenue so put pressure on government to drop their interfernce with freedom of choice and get the pews full again.


I'm all for madatory seat belts for children by the way, seat belts save lives period.

reply to post by WeRpeons


In my opinion, the only way to make sense of this situation is to make motorcycle riders wear seatbelts, and make car drivers wear helmets.

Oh, and make every room a padded room. We definitely cant take any chances!

Here in the UK we have a lot of Bikers and enthusiasts.

And any of them from any chapter or club or establishment worth their salt will call you a fool for not wearing a helmet.

reply to post by WeRpeons


its just another way of robbing some more money. here in spain the charge you 130 dollars for not using the seatbelt.

I read or heard in a movie somewhere that the seatbelt laws were made just so they can test how crazy they can make the laws.

2 cents

reply to post by 12voltz


As a motorcycle rider for 30 years, just think of it this way, as you collide with my motorcycle, because most people in cars are blind, you will find comfort, knowing that your seat belt has held you firmly in place and preventing you going through the windscreen, where as I am propelled over or into your car, or worst. Just wear ya F$cken seat belt, you whining knob.

reply to post by WeRpeons


Why WOULDN'T you want to wear a Seat-Belt?!?!?! All the laws aside, not wearing a Seat-Belt is about as dumb as riding a motorcycle without a helmet! I guess if you want to prove Darwin right yet again, then not doing one of these two things is a great goal!

Seriously though...why would you even bring this up? Do you seriously consider not wearing a Seat-Belt?
Are you under the impression that all laws are 100% even and level headed? That would be an impossible situation given the system we live in...the only place where that could happen is if we had One Single King which made laws...and that King just happened to be a Level-Headed guy! And of course we all know how those situations end up!....Even a great King, will in a generation or two of interbreeding which a shrinking royal lineage end up producing an heir that is morally deformed and who will destroy everything the King started......

The simple fact is that Helmet Laws are not as strict as seatbelt laws because someone FOUGHT against the law......Isn't this common knowledge as to how the system works? I am a bit surprised, that you don't understand this....but even more so that you would even ASK! I really hope your not the type that goes around not wearing a seat belt....That sort of ignorance always bothers me.....So many deaths that could have been avoided because people were too lazy to put their seat-belt on.....I just don't get it. What's the point? I'd find a more noble thing to crucade against if I were you....perhaps you can start a crusade to get people to stop wearing condoms when they have relations with Strung out Heroin Junkies....at least that would be SLIGHTLY less stupid than not wearing a seat belt!!!!

Originally posted by illuminatitanimulli
Lots of times helmets cause deaths in motorcycle accidents. It should be up to the rider.

Motorcycle helmets reduce the chances of being seriously injured or killed by 66% (recently took a block of instruction) Motorcycle riders need to wear helmets, and drivers need to wear seatbelts period.

What is the main cause of deaths / injuries in crashes?

Speed.

Why do you NEED to speed?