Prohibition in Amsterdam

PROHIBITION in AMSTERDAM

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seems prohibition has finally reached Amsterdam. seems some gov fools think crime will be less if you limit access to their coffee shops. prohibition has never worked. they have just started a new drug blackmarket in the Netherlands. it appears that MJ will still be in plentiful supply but it's "not for tourists". i bet their criminals are already fighting over territory where they will buy legal dutch drugs and sell them in back alleys to tourists for a significant markup.

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seems insane to me. the Netherlands has a lot of problems (help rampant illegal, and legal, Muslim immigration) but drugs? what could TPTB hope tp accomplish by *creating* an elicit drug trade?

this can only lead to MORE illegal drug trade. this will lead to more violence and more general crime. having been to Amsterdam a number of times i am saddened by the fact that its safe streets will no longer be so. true i never.visited the fact"coffee shops" but i respect their right to exist and respect that they meet a need in the populace which will be met anyhow, only the do it in a.civil and above board way. forcing them.to go underground.can only be a.bad thing.

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Just in time for Fukushima and their raditation. Cancer cure must be hidden out of sight. But people never do what they should do, because this is NWO, and on every topic there is, we have to stand up enmasse. I love the Spanish revolution, going on right now. Its not just this, codex alimentarius, includes so many different cures from Vit C, to P'Audarco, which we drink alot of.

I can only see bad things coming from this.

It places the harmless drugtourism into a very harmfull position by forcing them to get the stuff they can still legally USE here, trough illegal venues, and all the risks involved with that. I'd rather get my drugs in a legal venue that gets THEIR drugs trough semi-illegal means, then go into illegality for some dope myself.

tip to the tourists: tap a 18+ on the shoulder and ask politely if he'd be so nice to get you some, plenty will do so (some ask a small fee but it's done alot by people who dont have the legal age yet)

Seems a little short sighted! Perhaps the Dutch authorities have underestimated the drug-tourism figures? Perhaps they think repeat visits from other parts of northern europe have nothing to do with drugs!

Then again, prohibition, ie pushing certain activities underground, strengthens the black-economy which may or may not keep a weakened economy bouyant. Not saying governments are actively involved in using alternative economic measures to keep currency moving, no wait, that is what I am saying! Prohibition and the basic 'laws' of supply and demand; making a commodity hard to come by raises the price, provides government income streams via fines and prison contracts.

Well you still have Portugal.

And three counties in California, USA.


And then there's always Mexico, though it's illegal down there and you've got good chances of being killed if you're an American...

Originally posted by teapot
Seems a little short sighted! Perhaps the Dutch authorities have underestimated the drug-tourism figures? Perhaps they think repeat visits from other parts of northern europe have nothing to do with drugs!

Then again, prohibition, ie pushing certain activities underground, strengthens the black-economy which may or may not keep a weakened economy bouyant. Not saying governments are actively involved in using alternative economic measures to keep currency moving, no wait, that is what I am saying! Prohibition and the basic 'laws' of supply and demand; making a commodity hard to come by raises the price, provides government income streams via fines and prison contracts.

i can't imagine that reducing legal demand will make more money? no, there is another game afoot here. i am not sure why the dutch govt would want to push this underground but apparently they do.

Definitely going to create more crime.

Which in turn will have them making more laws against it.

Which will create even mire crime.

Welcome to the rest of the Western world bunch of violence plagued police states.


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i think you have misinterpreted my post. i am not upset by this because i need drugs, i don't use drugs, i am upset/curious about the reason the govt in the Netherlands has decided to take a perfectly functioning and legal enterprise and make it legal, for some.

not only does this create a segregation between the haves and have not, or in this case the cans and cannots, but it also creates an illegal drug enterprise that otherwise didn't exist.

while i don't use drugs i am just fine with legalization because prohibition doesn't work. it used to be that proponents for legalization could point at Amsterdam and say, "look, it works." not anymore. i have been to Amsterdam many times and have never seen any.indication of problems with the coffee shops. this move makes no sense.

Originally posted by Tonosama
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i think you have misinterpreted my post. i am not upset by this because i need drugs, i don't use drugs, i am upset/curious about the reason the govt in the Netherlands has decided to take a perfectly functioning and legal enterprise and make it legal, for some.

not only does this create a segregation between the haves and have not, or in this case the cans and cannots, but it also creates an illegal drug enterprise that otherwise didn't exist.

while i don't use drugs i am just fine with legalization because prohibition doesn't work. it used to be that proponents for legalization could point at Amsterdam and say, "look, it works." not anymore. i have been to Amsterdam many times and have never seen any.indication of problems with the coffee shops. this move makes no sense.

yes. just think of all the poor dutch teens that are now.going to be sent to prison for helping a fellow EU citizen get some hash. then all the imprisoned.foreigners.who.bought the drugs from the innocent teen.

makes no sense

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I'm sorry to read this news. So many times I've read about this area of the world, where adults are permitted to pursue adult pleasures. Those articles almost always pointed out the low crime rates enjoyed there. This is a terrible example of 'fixing' something that isn't broken.

I'll guess that someone in politics or law enforcement with a new name plaque on their new desk at their new position is out to change the world, make their mark and show everyone who couldn't care less how wonderful they are. And lots of people will suffer for it.

"Not all ideas are good ideas" said the exec behind New Coke, as he walked to the unemployment line.

Holland has benifitted for years on this trade and now they are going to imprison people for smoking on holiday? Crazy.. It will only help the crooks. Being in the european union I dont understand how it can be legal there and illegal every where else. Specailly when all you get is a caution here in the UK, for having some personal weed.

Originally posted by LargeFries
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I'm sorry to read this news. So many times I've read about this area of the world, where adults are permitted to pursue adult pleasures. Those articles almost always pointed out the low crime rates enjoyed there. This is a terrible example of 'fixing' something that isn't broken.

I'll guess that someone in politics or law enforcement with a new name plaque on their new desk at their new position is out to change the world, make their mark and show everyone who couldn't care less how wonderful they are. And lots of people will suffer for it.

"Not all ideas are good ideas" said the exec behind New Coke, as he walked to the unemployment line.

ah i think you are on to something. the Netherlands just recently elected an ultra conservative government. i bet that is it.

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black market, the selling or buying of commodities at prices above the legal ceiling or beyond the amount allotted to a customer in countries that have placed restrictions on sales and prices. Such trading was common during World War II wherever the demand and the means of payment exceeded the available supply. Most of the warring countries attempted to equalize distribution of scarce commodities by rationing and price fixing. In the United States black-market transactions were carried on extensively in meat, sugar, tires, and gasoline. In Great Britain, where clothing and liquor were rationed, these were popular black-market commodities. In the United States, rationing terminated at the end of the war, but a black market in automobiles and building materials continued while the scarcity lasted. In the decades following World War II, as the countries of Eastern Europe were trying to industrialize their economies, extensive black-market operations developed because of a scarcity of consumer goods. Black marketing is also common in exchange of foreign for domestic currency, typically in those countries that have set the official exchange value of domestic currency too high in terms of the purchasing power of foreign money. Black-market money activities also grow when holders of domestic currency are anxious to convert it into foreign currency through a fear that the former is losing its purchasing power as a result of inflation.
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Prohibition: UN Drug Chief Says Black Market Drug Profits Propped Up Global Banking System Last Year

Profits from the global illicit drug trade helped keep the international banking system afloat during the crisis that swept the global financial system during the second half of last year, the UN's leading drug fighter said in an interview with the Austrian magazine Profil, which was made available Sunday. Drug money was almost the only available capital for banks, said Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).

UNODC chief Antonio Maria CostaCosta's remarks came as the Profil interviewer questioned him about the size of the global drug market. "If you look at agriculture markets, it is the most important," Costa replied. "According to our calculations, the wholesale value of illegal drugs is more than $90 billion, in the range of world meat and grain trade. The street trade, we assess at a volume of over $320 billion."

While profits from the illicit drug trade fund political violence by the likes of the Taliban or Colombia's leftist FARC insurgents and rightist paramilitaries, they are also finding their way into the coffers of the world banking system at a critical time, Costa said. The drug business is one of the few global growth industries right now, he noted.

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And then of course, there are the money laundering activities that fill treasury coffers with spending taxes!

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i dont know why everyone looks at portugal like a drug haven.... it is not legal, you have no legal way to buy drugs here.

its just decriminalized, wich means its not a crime, but you are still not allowed to grow, sell or consume drugs openly.

Originally posted by AnotherYOU
i dont know why everyone looks at portugal like a drug haven.... it is not legal, you have no legal way to buy drugs here.

It's because drug possession has been decriminalized and it is not a priority of the Portuguese government to enforce.

Here's some education about it:




Yes, you can apparently do it out in the open there. That's what all those people in the video are doing.


If you want to split hairs, it's also already technically illegal in Amsterdam too. It's just not enforced there, just like Portugal, and just like in California.

When Amsterdam's economy falls apart watch them blame the weed!

I believe I read on here that Russia is opening a cannabis retail chain. I'll cross Amsterdam off my list and add Nizhny Novgorod!

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Originally posted by Tonosama


ah i think you are on to something. the Netherlands just recently elected an ultra conservative government. i bet that is it.

The only logic to politics is there is no logic.
Politics is personality.
1/3 are liberals
1/3 are conservatives
1/3 are independents.
When the conservatives gain power due to an issue like excessive and illegal
immigration they will try to impose their views on other issues on every one else.

Originally posted by RRokkyy

Originally posted by Tonosama


ah i think you are on to something. the Netherlands just recently elected an ultra conservative government. i bet that is it.

The only logic to politics is there is no logic.
Politics is personality.
1/3 are liberals
1/3 are conservatives
1/3 are independents.
When the conservatives gain power due to an issue like excessive and illegal
immigration they will try to impose their views on other issues on every one else.

right. the new conservative government was elected because of concerns about illegal immigration. ot appears that they are going to push the whole ultra conservative agenda though. too bad. i wish there were a party that would just be good stewards and not break everything all the time. next a liberal group will get voted in and they will break something else. then another group who will break something else. and so on until they are completely broken.

And you have to get a member of the coffee shop. So they know who is on it, and they can raise your healthcare and such.(perhaps)

Additional to that the want a max 1500member per coffee shop. Impossible the maintain.

I live on the border with Germany and Belgium, this is going to be ans hotspot of business (It already is)