German t4 program being implemented in veteran(va) hospitals and mental health facilities in usa!

I have heard that VA has built special mental health units to terminate 100% disabled veterans, based on the German T4 program from 1939. They have special places to check in on the unit, so there is no record of your presence through the regular channels for the hospitals. From what I have heard, you must be 100% disabled for mental health to be admitted to one of these units, and like "The Hotel California,"" you can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave!" (except in rare instances). They are supposedly just holding pens until your number is up and they take you out. VA also has their regular mental health units as well for those less than 100%. I have heard that county mental health facilities are doing this on special mental health units as well, and hospitals too for elderly on medicaid or medicare who enter the hospital. This is really scary to me if it's true!
If anyone has direct knowledge (and the courage to talk ) about these things I would like to know more.

The thought of this is truly disgusting! I've also heard that you don't have to be nuts to be put on one of these units. You can have a combined rating that equals 100% that prevents you from working but you still have your faculties, like depression, PTSD and something else that is minor like a drinking problem. This sounds horrific to me, especially for veterans who have put their life on the line for this country!

When I heard about this, I read about the German T4 program. It targeted the disabled, elderly, and those with epilepsy as beimg "not worthy of life" because they couldn't work. In order to qualify for life, a person must be able to work and not just a minimal job. You must have enough years left to make more money for the government than you would use in assistance for the rest of your life. Sounds like the Obama/Daschele healthcare of the future!
Your thoughts please. Everyones comments are important to me. Lets be nice

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didn't you post this earlier? did it get taken down?

reply to post by kissitgoodbye


Why do they need this sort of program?

Just the common incompetence of the orderlies can end up killing you!

A friends father was killed in this manner.

They fed him via his breathing tube!

He died of pneumonia a week or so later.

I also saw a similar headline disappear from current topics. Poof!

Links? Is there a credible source, because it would be completely illegal to treat anyone that way, let alone war veterans.

Do you have any sources for these claims? And if you don't, how did the people hear about it who told you if they kill everyone that goes into those units?

It's kind of like someone saying that if you die in your sleep you die in real life, that can't be proven because whoever died in their sleep and died in real life can't really tell anyone about it to confirm it.

reply to post by here4awhile


No, not me.

reply to post by kissitgoodbye


Links? Credible sources?

reply to post by Baldryck


That's why I'm asking for info from people who work on these units. Obviously if you are dead you aren't talking, but there have been rare times when someone has gotten off one of these units. I have only heard second hand from a vet. so I don't know for sure.
I have also been told that people who work on these units must sign an agreement that they will NOT talk about what goes on in there. They have always had to agree to patient privacy, but not to what happens on the unit. I doubt there will be a reply from anyone working there because of this. Maybe someone else has more info about this.

reply to post by mydarkpassenger


That's why I did this thread. I'm looking for credible answers too! Hopefully someone else knows.

reply to post by felonius


I'm looking for answers too. But I hear you about the incompetence. I know a lot of good docs left in 2008 for some reason and went into teaching at medical schools not into private practice. Must be a reason!

reply to post by snowspirit


If that was today, I saw the link go poof too. It made me think about posting this to see what the response might be to this. My topic is a little different than the other post tho.
It definately would be illegal, but so is using HAARP to deliberately kill people with tornadoes, floods and earthquakes , and starvation,etc. I'm just looking for answers if anyone has any. Maybe it's part of the NWO population reduction program.

I have some firsthand experience with this type of behavior. First I've heard of these rumors, but frankly it wouldn't surprise me anymore.

Revisit the Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC) scandal, and consider the fact that this was a top-facility for wounded veterans in the capital of the United States of America, during wartime, in what can only be described as an utter travesty.

Look at the statistics-fudging of war casualties, and injuries. Everything is compartmentalized, and all the staff are virtually clueless. It's not uncommon to be misdiagnosed, or be given conflicting medications from several doctors. It's a system designed to fail, on it's own weight, among other factors.

I'm an Army veteran, served 2 tours in Iraq. Post-2nd Tour, I was held on medical leave for a physical injury. I won't say where, nor how long. Though I will say that I spent some time in Walter Reed soon after the scandal had broken, and damage-control was in full swing. I first started to witness low-level corruption with the out-patient facilities. What one would come to expect where statistics, guidelines and numbers needed to be adhered to. Staff in collusion with each other in order to make as many soldier's health claims "go away", and try to make them illegitimate. I saw neglect, harassment, intimidation and downright incompetence. A lot of the staff was unfit for duty, and several I knew of, had substance-abuse problems.

I personally knew of at least one death, involved in a medication conflict, and overdose as such. He died in his room and was not discovered for at least 3 days. I know of, and handled personally, 1 soldier who would have died had myself and another not taken him to a civilian hospital for immediate treatment. He had a brain tumor, which would have hemorrhaged had he waited much longer. He was supposed to be under close supervision by the staff on base, but was never checked on once. Keep in mind, we were also patients, sharing the same facility.

This went so far, with me and another soldier, that we decided to contact a senator to initiate a bit of awareness. We spoke with aides in D.C., and even a senator in-person, though I was not present for the personal meeting with the senator. Needless to say, we ruffled a lot of feathers. You see, the staff personally 'advised' all soldiers and warned them not to contact any representatives from their home state. They didn't like this.

By the time the memos were passed down, that we had talked to a senator, there were already accusations flying about. We were both discharged immediately after, claiming our health status was sufficient and all treatment completed, even though I had just started appointments at Walter Reed. Around the same time, myself and the one other I referred to earlier, had befriended a few contacts working with the staff. Some of the underlings, younger staff that didn't have any stakes in corruption or political ramblings. They sat in on some of the meetings, and relayed to us, that they were talking of us personally and how we should be discharged or moved away immediately. Especially the other I refer to, since he was older than me, and had more rank. They quite literally talked about prematurely terminating medical treatment just to get rid of us, and the younger staff would return to us, and tell us flat-out what was being said.

This is about all I'll say on the matter, as frankly I'm not comfortable saying it, and it's just another story among many.

Again, consider one of the most abhorrent abuse scandals in our country's history, occurred at the leading Army medical facility in the nation's capital, and you can do the math from there. I wouldn't doubt it if there is full-on, sanctioned abuse in some facilities, VA, active-facilities or otherwise. As for 'sanctioned termination'.. I don't even know anymore. When you go to some of these facilities, you are almost completely forgotten to begin with. I'm talking, pushed into a dark corner and left to lie with the rats, forgotten.

reply to post by SyphonX


I had a stroke and went to the Seattle Va hospital. I looked so bad when I went in the people in line at the ER made me go in front of them. I remember the nurses treating me more like a burden, like I disrupted their break than a 29 year old veteran with severe problems. The nurse that was pushing me in the wheel chair kept banging me into things and when I was on a gurney people looked at me with the same expressions. When I got sent down to the Palo Alto Va for WRRISC they were livid when they heard about the treatment, especially the fact they never took an MRI of my brain. The VA is definitely not there for us, it just exists to cover the government, we need a new bonus army.

Originally posted by Silverado292
reply to post by SyphonX

 

I had a stroke and went to the Seattle Va hospital. I looked so bad when I went in the people in line at the ER made me go in front of them. I remember the nurses treating me more like a burden, like I disrupted their break than a 29 year old veteran with severe problems. The nurse that was pushing me in the wheel chair kept banging me into things and when I was on a gurney people looked at me with the same expressions. When I got sent down to the Palo Alto Va for WRRISC they were livid when they heard about the treatment, especially the fact they never took an MRI of my brain. The VA is definitely not there for us, it just exists to cover the government, we need a new bonus army.

I am interested in more of your story. You went to the WRRISC? Have you been properly compensated and service connected? Were you a Gulf War Veteran? You can U2U me. I am a disabled Vet myself, due to the Anthrax Vaccine. If you'd like to share - I'll listen.

reply to post by TheBirdisDone


I got some extra doses of that as well, I'll send you a message when I can.

reply to post by SyphonX


Thank you SO much for shareing your experience with government run medical care with us! I feel really bad for what you went through and that of your acquaintence. Blessings and be well!

i'm 80% disabled vet and I have claims that would put me over 100% being decided on. Sucks being 26 and that disabled. I do have to see mental health also.

Doesn't look good for me. Sucks because I have a few business degrees I can't use too.

reply to post by SyphonX


First,

Thank you for your service.

Second,

I apologise for the care you should have recieved in Our name. Then again, I'm sort of glad you didnt get it...you may not be here now.

From Korea with the hitherto unknown PTSD, 'Nam with Agent Orange (and god knows what else), to now, I'm tired of sending OUR TREASURE! to fight...and "our" government refuses to do THEIR DUTY to take care of yall.

I tried 4 times to go fight back in the 90's. I used to be pissed for not carrying on the family tradition. I guess i was being protected.

Why was I refused?

I was about 22. High School weight lifter (benched 435), weighed 170 (gained 5# after school) and was 5.4.

They said I should weigh 145. I was "fat".

This was also when lots of non-coms and low level officers were being ran out on a rail.

god bless you and I hope your health is better and improves. I also hope your future life is everything you could hope for.

Really alarming thread, and wouldn't put this past them. Its a good thing to keep working on blowing this wide open if there is even a strong coalition of deliberate mistreatment.

i did have a reporter contact me when i was stationed at Ft. Drum. But he was just researching the WTU there.