Homeowner shoots and kills burglary suspect

Originally posted by LondonerBLV
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

The reason for crime increasing is simple. Credit crunch and rising illegal and legal migration.

More people = More crime.

I'd hate to see what would happen if one of your hippy liberal houses got invaded.

'Ooh please don't do that'

Grow some nuts, if your an adult male you have a responsibility for your family.

Yeah, you'd hate to see what happened if my hippy liberal house got invaded. So would I; I HATE sponge-cleaning this damned carpet.

Ahem. Try some reading comprehension, please. What I'm saying is that someone getting shot for a burglary in missouri is not likely to deter other burglars in Missouri (or wherever). I'm not saying DON'T shoot them, I'm saying don't imagine that people killing burglars is going to make YOU safer by proxy. The best method is still - and always WILL be - to not be a target in the first damn place.

If you want, I can type it all in caps, maybe throw in some hideous spelling errorsso you can understand better?

reply to post by AnteBellum


I second that, Antebellum. Anyone who breaks into your home deserves to be killed. This should not vary from state to state, no homeowner should have to worry about this BS. If someone enters your home illegally, you have every right to defend yourself and your family.
"I have a high art. I hurt with cruelty those who would damage me." - Archilochus

Here in Indiana, we're allowed to use lethal force on home invaders/robbers. We can also use lethal force to defend private property if the area is clearly marked as such or "no trespassing" signs are put up. The one thing you cannot do is let someone in your house and then kill the prick. There has to be clear signs of forced entry, property damage, or both.

Originally posted by peter vlar
reply to post by truthseeker84

 

Am I the only one who sees the irony of this post? You start with a statement about ignorance and then five of the following seven sentences start with "not sure" or "I think". If you don't know youre doing yourself a grave disservice by promoting further ignorance.

Nope! Irony's a hobby of mine, so it glared out to me as well. Not only that, he's quite wrong in most of his (or her) assumptions.

When someone has illegally entered your home, they have all ready crossed the line. You as a homeowner have no idea, nor are you obligated, to determine if the bad guy is there simply there to steal your DVD's or to tie you up, rape, and murder your wife and daughters and you.

Remember folks, 100% of home invasions happen at home.

reply to post by tjack


ofc its home invasions happen at home...thats why its called a HOME invasion or am i missing somthing? lol

reply to post by ronishia


Don't try to read too much into it, I'm just being funny. (trying, anyway)

reply to post by truthseeker84


Someone breaking into my home will be dispatched most hastily. The biggest decision I have to make is the choice of caliber. In this day and age if you do not assume lethal intent.......you will become the statistic.

Not sure the law in other states, but in Texas, the Castle Doctrine applies to your car as well.
www.rc123.com...

It has been several months back now, but there was a woman in the news who shot and skilled someone who was breaking into her car. No charges were filed (that I know of).


And there was the case of Joe Horn who shot and killed two men who was breaking into his neighbor's home.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by truthseeker84
Oh boy... the ignorance...

I'm not sure which state this happened in but regardless, this is not legal you do understand right?

You do not have the right to shoot someone who is invading your house. Not the last time I checked.

Yes, ignorance is a terrible thing, such as you not even noticing that the state this happened in is right there in the exerpt.

About the illegality you assert: I hate to tell you this "Britannus", but the customs of your tribe and island are NOT the laws of nature. California laws are a lot different than South Carolina laws or Florida laws, especially with regard to the Castle Doctrine.

S & F OP, way to go homeowner!


* NOTE:

GB Shaw, Caesar and Cleopatra:

"BRITANNUS (shocked): Caesar: this is not proper.
THEODOTUS (outraged): How!
CAESAR (recovering his self-possession): Pardon him. Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature."

Originally posted by truthseeker84You do not have the right to shoot someone who is invading your house. Not the last time I checked.

It does vary from state to state for sure....

Here in Missouri we have the right to shoot you for attempting to break in the house - you don't even have to cross the threshold. Same for our cars, a tent and a hotel room or whatever you may be occupying for the night.

Further, in addition to the castle doctrine we have the no retreat clause for any ground we legally occupy which means when I am out in my barns investigating whatever noise I can confront a thief with a gun and at the point he tries to move toward me it is an implied threat of violence - I do not have to prove he had a weapon or any other nonsense. This is because he is in the commission of a crime - trespassing.

Attempt to break in a home out here in the country in Missouri and you will die - incidentally there are almost zero home invasions in our county. One homicide last year and it was domsetic related. Hardly any violent crime at all. Some theft goes on of livestock and farm equipment but usually it's on land that has no dwelling or a shed that is on land so farm form a house that no one knows until feeding time or weeks later.

Additionally the law makes you immune from civil liability for the action.

Which is of course as it should be; everyone should have the right to protect themselves and their family.

I contend that theft is a threat to one’s ability to provide for his/her family. Used to be horse theft was a death sentence because a person’s mobility was his life, same with livestock and or crops or anything for that matter.

Why we now consider theft to not be as much a threat to our lives is silly - if you take someone's dollars it’s just as much a threat to their ability to provide for themselves as stealing a horse or anything ever was. Not all things are insured nor can all items be replaced.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by macman
To those that dare to break into homes, doom on you.
I second the notion that if this happened more often, people would think twice before breaking into a house.

I don't think so. See, threats actually aren't useful for halting criminal activity. You'd think the death penalty would deter people from committing murder, for instance, but it doesn't. In fact murder rates have gone up since the death penalty was reinstated (not saying there's a correlation, just noting). Basically, if someone honestly wants to kill another person, then the threat of legal penalty, including death for themselves, doesn't seem to stop them. I figure the same might apply to robbery; if you're already set on robbing someone, you've committed to it, and have already decided that the potential gain outweighs the risk.

The saying is, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. it's better to look like you'll give the potential burglar more hassle than is profitable, than to look like a target and then later blast his ass.

edit on 26/5/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)

Sorry Foxy, but having a weapon and being prepared to use it is the ounce of prevention (155 grains to be exact).

reply to post by mandella1099


you go son. give them sons of bitches both barrels!! You cops can have my gun when ya pry it from my cold dead hands! I ain't sufferin any snoop, theif, or vandal comin near my house, damnit!

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by truthseeker84

 

"I feared for the safety and welfare of myself and my family".
Done!!

Unless you live in a backwards state that forces you to flee from your own house if an invader comes in.

Nail on the head here. Generally that is all that is required in MOST cases, but even under the same state law, things vary case by case. Texas has always been the forerunner of this law, some even stating that simple trespassing could warrant some hot stuff flying at you.

Everyone says what they would do in this case, but the fact of the matter is you don't know until you are there.

I can tell you firing a weapon at any individual for any reason is a very serious undertaking. It's not point, click and forget. You can't take a bullet, buckshot, arrow back once you green light the action. Well, I guess you can take the arrow back, but you get the point I am making

you americans are lucky your allowed to defend your property with such power.
here in uk the law is pathetic!!!
you cant give a burglar a beating of their lives if their breaking into your house.....unless its in your bedroom.
so basically you have to wait for someone to break in, make their way around your house doing whatever their doing and wait for them to get in the bedroom before you can do anything.?
or beat the sh1t out of them wherever on your property they are and drag them to the bedroom lol ;-)

Originally posted by SireFurious
reply to post by mandella1099

 

you go son. give them sons of bitches both barrels!! You cops can have my gun when ya pry it from my cold dead hands! I ain't sufferin any snoop, theif, or vandal comin near my house, damnit!

HaHaHa Ha Ho HA ha ha ha - I get it now!!! You are a genius! Dear Lord - Please let me lose enough intelligence to be like this troll one day....

Originally posted by LondonerBLV
reply to post by truthseeker84

 

1. Why not just say hello to them and offer them a beer and a bed for the night?

2. Come on, grow up. It's a burglary. Alot end in the homeowners being murdered.

3. I wouldn't take a chance, so I would kill as well.

1. I never said stealing was the right thing to do and I never said I would be nice to the thief and invite them in.

2. It's a burglary, right, not a murder in progress. As such, it should be treated differently.

3. Well, to each his own. I wouldn't just up and shoot somebody that broke into my house at night.

Originally posted by Razmijix
reply to post by truthseeker84

 

I'm pretty sure the law varies by state.

Can't argue that.

reply to post by canselmi


In Florida the Castle Doctrine applies to your person at all times!! We are no longer required to retreat.....ever!

Outside of your home, you cannot use lethal force to defend property, you can only use it to defend your life or the life of another from a mortal threat or kidnapping. You have to fear for your life, or the life of another. That doesn't mean they have to be armed. If a little old grandma is grabbed from behind by a bigger mugger, she should shoot him! She doesn't know his intentions, and she is probably in fear for her life!

Inside your own home, no doubt, use the weapons, end the threat as quickly as possible.

Now, as for it being a deterrent or not......there is one thing for certain......1 less predator in the world! So, regardless of whether or not it is a deterrent, it has still made the world a safer place.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
reply to post by truthseeker84

 

So youre completely okay with someone breaking into your home, stealing your possessions, possibly raping the female members of your family, youre okay with that??

Of course not! I did not say that in my original post.

I am only angered and offended by folks (a lot on this page might I add) who likes to play God in the name of defending human rights. Well, maybe not God but definitely the Judge/Jury/Executioner all rolled into one. Brother, you're not Judge Dredd ok?

In fact, if the situation is handled correctly, no guns need to be fired. (Again, this is highly situational and depends on the immediate threat level)

What makes you think that the thief would not run away if you distance yourself and scream out you have a .45 ACP in your hand and you're not afraid to use it if they don't leave?

Look at most of the posts in here, loud and proud for killing another human being. Seemingly 100% agreeing to the fact that in order to eliminate violence, we must first answer with violence... -_-. So the state/city you live in is more secure because everyone's got a happy trigger finger and somehow this gives you a sense of righteousness?

Would it make you feel better, if, you find out the thief you shot and killed was trying to provide for his two infants and sick wife at home? Would it make you feel good when you kick over the dead bleeding body on the floor you see a 15 year old boy trying to steal money to buy drugs?