Women's Liberation Army

The Women's Liberation Front in Norway want to replace these trafic-signs.



They claim that it is obviously a man on this picture.
They want it replaced with a "sex-less" figure.
This is going to cost awful lot of money though, to replace all these signs.
Should we let them go on with this crazy idea?
:shk:
Should we spend the money on something else?


[edit on 2006/4/25 by Hellmutt]

What the?

Boy there can be a lot said about this woman's liberation topic. I believe these liberation groups are a setup for women. One of these days, I would like to do a study on REAL women to see where their views lie on womens liberation; what they think woman's liberation was intended for and how far women have come today. What are women doing now, where are the families, where are men, etc.

The original intent was to liberated against oppressive husbands/men in general. Liberated? Hmmm.

Should we do our own study?

What the?

Boy there can be a lot said about this woman's liberation topic. I believe these liberation groups are a setup for women. One of these days, I would like to do a study on REAL women to see where their views lie on womens liberation; what they think woman's liberation was intended for and how far women have come today. What are women doing now, where are the families, where are men, etc.

The original intent was to liberated against oppressive husbands/men in general. Liberated? Hmmm.

Should we do our own study with this forum? Do you know if there have been any topics on women's liberation on this forum before and if so, do you have the threads; I would like to read them.

Don't women wear pnts and hats too?

Originally posted by Godsent
Do you know if there have been any topics on women's liberation on this forum before and if so, do you have the threads; I would like to read them.

Actually I have to admit I didn�t do a search this time. I was so sure there wasn�t a topic like mine. I don�t know if there are other threads regarding womens lib. However, I�m not joking about this case (I wish I was). They actually suggested it. But I doubt they will ever get this through the system.

Regarding womens liberation in general,
I think the best man or woman should get the job. They should never be chosen by 50% men/50% women, that�s just stupid. That�s what I think anyway.

Wow, how did my post end up showing twice?

I agree with the job thing 100%. Let me check around to see if there is another thread on womens lib.

womans liberation army sounds alot like the ACLU or something. i cant stand them. first norway wants to ban islam, now they want to chnage the street signs. wow. i kinda dont have a problem with the first but the second, its just a freaking stree sign! who care if the figure has 2 balls and a bat.


womans liberation army, WHAT THE #!


bithc about somthing that can change the world. not street signs.

Originally posted by Godsent
Boy there can be a lot said about this woman's liberation topic. I believe these liberation groups are a setup for women. One of these days, I would like to do a study on REAL women to see where their views lie on womens liberation; what they think woman's liberation was intended for and how far women have come today.

The answer is "not nearly far enough."

Take a look at movies and tv... how many older men stars do you see (and how many do you see "get the cute girl." Now -- how many women of the SAME age do you see in leading roles (where they are the heroine of the movie) and how many of them do you see ending up with a cute guy the same age as the Older Guy's Cute Chick?

How many nearly naked women do you see in ads? Now... how about the number of nearly naked men advertising things? There's no equality, and believe me it's tiresome seeing advertising with "sexy women" (as though the world's population is made up exclusively of men and lesbians.

And how about things like writing and art -- did you ever wonder why the bulk of professional writers, moviemakers, directors, painters, sculptors are men? It's not because women lack talent in these areas.

I could tell you stories....
...of having my recommendations on computer software overridden (I have a Masters' in computer science and nearly 30 years programming experience) by the recommendation of a secretary's husband -- said husband was an accountant. He, of course, knew better because he was a man.
...of having my job as network administrator taken away and handed to a man (not because of poor performance, but because they wanted more people and he was a man. He knew nothing about networks and I'd been running them for three years.)
...of having professional chess players get hysterical (and throw chess pieces at me) when I beat them at tournament matches (I was a professional chess player...not extremely good, but I was good enough.)

What are women doing now, where are the families, where are men, etc.

We're back at the traditional model of middle class (dating up until the early 1900's) where both parents work. And in general, men these days (the educated ones) are MUCH better husbands than their fathers were.

The original intent was to liberated against oppressive husbands/men in general. Liberated? Hmmm.

I remember the days when:
...I couldn't get a credit card unless a man cosigned the account
...I couldn't rent a car unless a man cosigned the account
...I couldn't rent a Uhaul without a man.
...car salesmen wouldn't sell me a car without a male of my family being present.
...my husband raped me and I couldn't or stop him (it was "wifely duty.")
...my friend's husband beat her... and she was told it was all her fault.
...I was hired at a biology research field station and was turned into a secretary (I had a degree in biology) while the job of research assistant was given to a boy who was still in high school.
...a distant relative's husband killed her because he thought she was having an affair. The jury declared him innocent.
...being scorned and sneered at for having a degree... and then daring to get a Masters'... and then trying for my PhD. It wasn't "womanly." My duty was to sit at home and be stupid. Heaven forbid that I use my brain.


I can rant on about this and provide you with a LOT of stories.

Been there. Lived through that.

The "Donna Reed"/"leave it to Beaver" model that you saw on tv covered up a lot of sins. Most of those stay at home moms formed clubs where they sat and got plastered on martinis and other drinks (because they were bored and frustrated and lonely.) Valium and other pills (the Beatles song, "mother's little helper" refers to this) were common as were breakdowns and other problems.

There was a lot of good, and there were some desirable things in that situation, but there was also a lot of bad if you had ambitions to do something more than sit home and bake cookies. Many of the women of those eras who are widowed are completely incompetant with technology and money management and tend to fall victim to scams and scammers simply because they were taught to be "good little girls" and to be "proper women" and remember what a "woman's place" was.



I really should stop ranting now. I could go on at length about this, believe me.

Originally posted by Hellmutt


They claim that it is obviously a man on this picture.

No, it could be Kay D Lang.

Not to open up can of worms but isn't it sexist for the womans liberation army to assume its a man just because the figure is wearing pants?
I thought the days when men wore pants and women wore skirts was over?

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
first norway wants to ban islam, now they want to chnage the street signs. wow. i kinda dont have a problem with the first but the second...

What? You mean to say that you would be happy to see Norway ban Islam. I'd have a go at you for saying this, but I'll let you of as I see you're American and therefore you don't know any better!

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How many nearly naked women do you see in ads? Now... how about the number of nearly naked men advertising things?

Yeah, what freedom we have to pose naked.

We have won all this freedom, which is great to an extent. We don't have to be June Cleavers. Where have we taken it? Sure there is so much discrimination against women today, there will always be discrimination against women; hispanics, asians, caucasions, African American's,etc. Welcome to our world. I have had friends complain to me about men not wanting to commit to any kind of relationship, etc. Well, maybe it is because if you put a hungry man in front of an all-you-can-eat banquet it is almost impossible for him to chose one item to eat.

Where have we taken these rights? That is the question. Where have we allowed these so-called women's rights groups to take our rights? Our freedoms? I want to be treated as an adult, a person, somebody with some kind of intelligence, with dignity, honor and someone that can make a difference in this world that we live in. Are these groups really helping women or just a pacifier. Women need to remember that who they are, not what these groups and men tell them who they are. Honestly, I know this may sound bad to a lot of people and I know I will get flack for this but for God's sake, leave the bars and clubs, put your clothes back on, concentrate on education, etc. women are smarter than this nit-picky sign crap! Is it really that important to concentrate on signage - do they let groups like this concentrate on stuff like this to keep them pacifide so that they won't get smart? Men want women naked, they want them in bars and clubs they want them to have "the freedom" to have sex with whom ever, when ever they want - "just like men". Who is getting the better deal with this women's lib thing?

Originally posted by Eddie999

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
first norway wants to ban islam, now they want to chnage the street signs. wow. i kinda dont have a problem with the first but the second...

What? You mean to say that you would be happy to see Norway ban Islam.

What�s wrong about banning Islam?
What does Islam have to do with any of this?

There�s a red and green man in the traffic light also.
Maybe they want to replace them too?

[edit on 2004/8/4 by Hellmutt]

What�s wrong about banning Islam?

Surely wanting to ban a particular religion because you do not like it or agree with it would make you a fascist. Are you a fascist? Are you anti-Islam? Will you be persecuting Muslims any time soon?

Byrd,

I guess I don't always communicate well at times what I really mean to say about certain issues.

I apologize, I am sorry that you and other women have to endure and are still enduring to this day. I guess what I am trying to say and maybe the question shoud read: Are womens liberal groups helping or hinduring our ability to be treated as equals?

I worry about the message that is being put forth for women and our future women. Men are still very much in control as to what kind of freedom we have/deserve. Don't you think it is so ironic that we have all this "sexual" freedom and still do not have many freedoms to this day that can really make a difference in the world? At times I think these groups were established to make us look like idiots are something.

So, what do you think; are these womens liberal groups hindering or helping women?

actually, I think the sign thing is about in the same mindset as IBM having to reprogram their systems, so their is no "slave" driver....
not so much about women's liberation...as it is about bored people with nothing to do but think up stupid ways to spend alot of money!!!

by the way, the original women's liberation movement worked harder at freeing the slaves than they did for their own cause in the beginning. and, well, the male black slaves got the right to vote before they did.... I don't think they envisioned what we have today!

another thing (sorry for the double post), the leash was never taken off of women, just let lose a little. For it to be taken off, the religions will have to make a move, they really haven't.

a pampered slave is still just a slave!

Annoyed...that's what immediately comes to mind when I see this kind of pointless demand for action.

There are too many women's issues of substance that need to be addressed without this kind of fluff. The PC movement has been such a setback for women - that much is evident based on some of your posts.
Byrd's thoughts clearly show what the "real" issues are here and they have nothing to do with whether a sign has sufficient estrogen content.

But this is what those opposed to, or normally uninterested in, women's issues will remember - the radical and pointless drivel spouted by a few.

Originally posted by Eddie999

What's wrong about banning Islam?

Surely wanting to ban a particular religion because you do not like it or agree with it would make you a fascist. Are you a fascist? Are you anti-Islam? Will you be persecuting Muslims any time soon?

How does wanting to ban Islam make me a fascist, Eddie999? Even The Women's Liberation Army probably agree with banning Islam. Ok, maybe they are a bit fascist. Or at least fanatic. I don't consider myself fanatic, or nazi or fascist. Norway simply wants to build more Cathedrals, that's all. They are a christian country after all...

text: We are building a cathedral

[edit on 2006/4/25 by Hellmutt]

How does wanting to ban Islam make me a fascist, Eddie999?

Obviously if you want to ban one religion, e.g Islam, it most probably shows you are not of the Islamic faith and want to ban it because you do not like it and think that you religion is better. That would make you a fascist.

Definition:

Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Fascist
a. often Fascist An advocate or adherent of fascism.
b. A reactionary or dictatorial person.

Maybe you are just Islamophobic or rascist. I have never met you, but your posts say a lot about you.