An open letter to the Learned Elders of Zion.

Worth noting:

There has been some positive signs if not effects in the media, thus far, and as a result I'm even more optimistic of this success for all the people of the Holy land. I don't necessarily believe that this recent news has been as a result of my threat, but I wouldn't be suprised if it was.

Watch the space this significant news event - of the state of the Holy land - tends to create in the media, though. It could be just pure coincidence, or it could be because of my threat, but I am of the firm view that peace will come quicker than my set deadline.

Obviously, I'm an agent of peace and a man of honour, and so with peace in the Middle East the work I'm threatening to release will be silenced by my own hand, in my placing this book into the furthest and out-of-reach - for reading - recess, in the hardest to get bookshelf of - my - Wisdom's Library. There will not even be a suggestion of its existence, in fact, and I will deny everything concerning the matter under discussion.

Peace be with you, and may peace come to the people of the Holy Land,
YHWH2

Originally posted by YHWH2
reply to post by ColoradoJens

 

I have only one aim, and it's not about myself.

It's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but there should be no thought that I am doing this for myself.

I will not tell you what to think, however. You can come at it from whatever direction you wish. I have only one aim and I will fulfill it, should my demand not be met by Israel.

I have researched this site and others, and no one has - so far - claimed to have bore witness to the "new" meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion.

You will get your opportunity to dissect this new work, should its release be made through failure by Israel in finding and agreeing to a Two-State solution with Palestine in the Middle East.

Peace be with you,
YHWH2

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Just checking in...so your world breaking book will be released if there is no peace between Israel and Palestine? What are you waiting for? And again, I hope I eat my words, but shouldn't you be working academic threads and not ATS if this is so groundbreaking? I await your earth shattering info...

CJ

Originally posted by YHWH2
Watch the space this significant news event - of the state of the Holy land - tends to create in the media, though. It could be just pure coincidence, or it could be because of my threat, but I am of the firm view that peace will come quicker than my set deadline.

I do not doubt that your intentions, but I am puzzled, have you thought this through? I presume that you have researched the original protocol and it's origins, and know that it was used and implemented by the very people who disseminated it as an accusation against 'Jews'? Whether it has been 'renewed' or not, if it pertains to be authored by a group representative of those who reproduced and disseminated the original protocol, then I would presume that they would want you to publise it as it would have been pointless allowing the information to slip out otherwise. Things like that do not happen by accident. Almost not ever.

Alot can be accomplished in twelve months, I think you are giving them far too much play-time, you should seriously consider tightening the yoke, test them, give them three months. Ultimately though, if what you say is true, and you intend to hold your tongue, they will spring another leak.

I know this thread is about the Protocols, but every time anything mildly Israeli is criticized bluemirage shows up screaming "anti semitic" No offense man, but from observing many of your posts, you clearly give zero respect to anyone's points or facts if they at all question the murderous Israel.

Originally posted by YHWH2
Worth noting:

There has been some positive signs if not effects in the media, thus far, and as a result I'm even more optimistic of this success for all the people of the Holy land. I don't necessarily believe that this recent news has been as a result of my threat, but I wouldn't be suprised if it was.

Watch the space this significant news event - of the state of the Holy land - tends to create in the media, though. It could be just pure coincidence, or it could be because of my threat, but I am of the firm view that peace will come quicker than my set deadline.

Obviously, I'm an agent of peace and a man of honour, and so with peace in the Middle East the work I'm threatening to release will be silenced by my own hand, in my placing this book into the furthest and out-of-reach - for reading - recess, in the hardest to get bookshelf of - my - Wisdom's Library. There will not even be a suggestion of its existence, in fact, and I will deny everything concerning the matter under discussion.

Peace be with you, and may peace come to the people of the Holy Land,
YHWH2

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There is no peace deal only the Israelite rallying there goy forces. Really are you dense or are you not paying attention. The el ites are all tools to the deeper evil spoken of in the Protocols. Indeed you pretending to have something that could change this when it is known by all who would know it. The secret cabals who rule us like cattle. Pretending like their words have weight when we know better than to hope in empty promises.

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You made your first post about this on ATS in November of 2010. No peace has been established. What makes you think this will have any effect now?

Why give them another year? Another year to kill and terrorize not only Palestine, but the world? If you have such information as you say, I believe it should be made known to the world now. The world has suffered enough and what these people are up to needs to be exposed.

Someone who makes a threat but keeps extending the deadline has less and less credibility.

Whilst I share your deep wish for world peace, I share the view of others that a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine will not solve the cause of problems. It is the psyches and minds of those who wage constant war which needs to be changed or eliminated for peace to prevail. How wiould a release of this document effect the psyches of this powerful group, like an octopus across the world, who have no care for human life or the planet, and who are bent on destruction and mass murder?

Forgive me, though I respect your intentions, your logic seems too facile to me.

Originally posted by UcDat


There is no peace deal only the Israelite rallying there goy forces. Really are you dense or are you not paying attention. The el ites are all tools to the deeper evil spoken of in the Protocols. Indeed you pretending to have something that could change this when it is known by all who would know it. The secret cabals who rule us like cattle. Pretending like their words have weight when we know better than to hope in empty promises.

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you need luck for your spiritual growth/consciousness expansion

long way to go... so good luck

ps: rejection is the first stage of acceptance of truth, so you 're on the right path lol

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Just checking in...so your world breaking book will be released if there is no peace between Israel and Palestine? What are you waiting for? And again, I hope I eat my words, but shouldn't you be working academic threads and not ATS if this is so groundbreaking? I await your earth shattering info...

CJ

Thanks for checking in, shame you haven't checked what has come so far on this thread.

No peace yet, true, but Israel still has some time to meet my threat, in finding a Two-State solution for peace in the Middle East.

I'm not aware of your so-called "working" academic threads. Please let me know which ones you mean I should look at? Although, it doesn't really matter, because my threat has been made public, and that was always my intention. I simply thought ATS members would be interested in this, and have a knowledgable idea about how important Peace in the Middle East really is, and therefore argue its merits, or not, as some cases have turned out to be.

Regardless, I am optimistic of a Two-State solution occurring much more than the period before I made my threat.

Peace be with you,
YHWH2

Originally posted by Pythein

I do not doubt that your intentions, but I am puzzled, have you thought this through? I presume that you have researched the original protocol and it's origins, and know that it was used and implemented by the very people who disseminated it as an accusation against 'Jews'? Whether it has been 'renewed' or not, if it pertains to be authored by a group representative of those who reproduced and disseminated the original protocol, then I would presume that they would want you to publise it as it would have been pointless allowing the information to slip out otherwise. Things like that do not happen by accident. Almost not ever.

Alot can be accomplished in twelve months, I think you are giving them far too much play-time, you should seriously consider tightening the yoke, test them, give them three months. Ultimately though, if what you say is true, and you intend to hold your tongue, they will spring another leak.

Above poster's quote ends here: --


Thank you, I don't doubt my intentions, either.

An old copy of the original book is on my bookshelf as I'm a book collector.

I am assured of it's authenticity and provenance:

The paper smells and looks old, and tests carried out on it have determined it to be more than 60 years old. The ink test has come back inconclusive, but there are no micro-fractures which would indicate new ink on this old paper.

Photographs of the sheets, along with the forensic tests on the paper will be included in the potential release, naturally.

At this stage however, I must stress, that the work will only exist if Israel fails in a Two-State solution or roadmap for peace in the Middle East, between the Palestinian people and the people of Israel.

Books, transcripts, maps, get lost, overlooked, and indeed found all the time by people in this trade and even those whom the book indeed finds. As a manuscript collector, I'm never surprised by my finds. With this one though, it seems I can actually do some good beyond just turning a fast dollar.

I will not play games with any mention of a shortened time frame period for reaching this monumental agreement in world history between these two people in the Holiest Land on this Planet.

Th three monotheistic religions which have sculpted our modern way of life and world - have called this place home for thousands of years.

If there is no peace in the Holy Land there cannot be peace anywhere else.

Peace must come to the Holy Land. I wish it thus and so peace will exist.

Peace be with you, and peace be with the people calling the Holy Land home,
YHWH2

Originally posted by eleventhsun
I know this thread is about the Protocols, but every time anything mildly Israeli is criticized bluemirage shows up screaming "anti semitic" No offense man, but from observing many of your posts, you clearly give zero respect to anyone's points or facts if they at all question the murderous Israel.

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A zero tolerance attitude is absolutely wrong in ever finding a roadmap to peace between two peoples.

We all know this, and those that don't know it sense it within themselves: Respect, Tolerance, and Love makes Peace between two peoples at loggerheads over an issue or a matter of disagreement.

Thanks for drawing our attention to a member who doesn't follow this practice from your experience and scrutiny of his posts.

Peace,
YHWH2

Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by YHWH2

 

You made your first post about this on ATS in November of 2010. No peace has been established. What makes you think this will have any effect now?

Why give them another year? Another year to kill and terrorize not only Palestine, but the world? If you have such information as you say, I believe it should be made known to the world now. The world has suffered enough and what these people are up to needs to be exposed.

Someone who makes a threat but keeps extending the deadline has less and less credibility.

Whilst I share your deep wish for world peace, I share the view of others that a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine will not solve the cause of problems. It is the psyches and minds of those who wage constant war which needs to be changed or eliminated for peace to prevail. How wiould a release of this document effect the psyches of this powerful group, like an octopus across the world, who have no care for human life or the planet, and who are bent on destruction and mass murder?

Forgive me, though I respect your intentions, your logic seems too facile to me.

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Finally, I see that entering this thread is a person that reads, investigates and is highly intelligent. Thanks for stopping by "wcitizen". I tend to believe that the consonant "w" stands for WISE and therefore 'wisecitizen'.

You refer to my "Peace be with you all!" thread: I didn't really declare much, then. Merely - I think you'll agree - I inferred pretty much an abstract thing. Now the word has gone out with my threat made, and I'm confident the learned Elders of Zion will begin lobbying or turning the wheel toward peace in their homeland, because they would not want this work to be released.

I have been - in the mean time - studying sacred Judaic texts with a numerological approach to discover if my aim corresponds with, is detailed, or suggests a suitable timeframe for my threat, the dateline for peace in the Middle East, and indeed my involvement. Essentially, I've been looking for clues for making this threat known to the Learned Elders, and I hadn't found anything of note, so I decided the timing was right for me now, and no one else, in fact.

Moreover, I'm quite suspicious, as I'm sure others are about the way Israel is dragging its feet on this matter for so long, when clearly peace must be found in the Holy Land, in the way it was found and accepted in Northern Ireland through the great work and involvement of former US president, Bill Clinton.

I am not giving anyone any time to do anything horrendous. Please don't muddy the waters or imply I have power over things. Both sides must realize themselves, the details which will be brokered in a peace agreement of a Two-State solution.

I must stress here that I am not taking sides.

I cannot say too much, and I have to be careful of what I say, but I have to believe that some people in this world and it's not necessarily the learned Elders of Zion -- have been given such power for a reason, and that their power is somehow sanctioned by G_D.

I hope you will see that I have to give certain people the benefit of the doubt as I have read the translated work, which I must stress doesn't exist until Israel fails in reaching a Two-State solution with the Palestinian people.

You have allowed me to paint a much broader picture, and allowed me to establish my position in this matter much more clearly to the Learned Elders of Zion - in asking such pertinent and profound questions.

It shows them that I am a fair person coming at this from a fairly neutral point, who is not - and will not be - playing games with them. But who is also resolute in the threat made.

I don't necessarily share your latter position, it wouldn't be fair of me. I can only stick to my threat, and hope and pray that these people listen, and that Israel accepts a Two-State solution in the Holy Land, soon.

If peace comes to the Holy Land, maybe peace will be easier to find for people elsewhere in the world.

May peace finally come to the Holy Land, and may people find peace within themselves,
YHWH2

Originally posted by XmikaX
reply to post by YHWH2

 

you need luck for your spiritual growth/consciousness expansion

long way to go... so good luck

ps: rejection is the first stage of acceptance of truth, so you 're on the right path lol

I don't feel rejected by you or your comment. I have accepted certain truths. And, I didn't need you to tell me that their are paths for spiritual awareness. Moreover, I don't need the luck in the way you have offered it, and don't accept from you that distance is a destination which is long for me in reaching something you think I need to reach.

In essence, your post is the one I write while my hard-drive performs another hack threat assessment. I had the time so I answered the dribble from your mouth, which you evidently confuse with wisdom, knowledge, etc...

Peace,
YHWH2

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Your external video clip has been noted.

Peace,
YHWH2

I would be interested in seeing the cover, I was unaware of such a recent publication of it, who is the claimed publisher? A book doesn't have to be old to smell, or indeed, nor do all old books smell. Unless it is a hand-written edition, I don't understand your need to attempt to qualify it's authenticity, 60 year old paper is just paper, and 60 year old ink is just ink, the protocols were a mass produced and circulated pamphlet, not Hitler's Diaries, it's existence is not in question. Their are numerous copies, some rarer than others admittedly, in collections all over the world.

Ahhh.. Or perhaps you are referring to the 'renewed' Protocols, are they sixty years old are you saying? I apologise for my misunderstanding your reply if that is the case. Could you please clarify, do you have a 60 year old edition of the original protocols, or is the 'renewed' edition 60 years old?

Thank you.

Originally posted by YHWH2
Moreover, I'm quite suspicious, as I'm sure others are about the way Israel is dragging its feet on this matter for so long, when clearly peace must be found in the Holy Land, in the way it was found and accepted in Northern Ireland through the great work and involvement of former US president, Bill Clinton.

That wasn't exactly won over night, and nor has it been entirely plain sailing since. Clinton brokered a deal between sides that had decided to find terms and resolution. And, more importantly, because continued hostilities were nolonger benefitting anyone. While instability is required in the Near East, instability will be actively maintained in a way which is beyond state control. Israel, in reality, are in no position to offer anyone anything, all that they have is borrowed or rather they are too beholden to others to act.

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No apology necessary, it seems that not all people are as fond of reading posts which have come before as wcitizen on this thread for instance, and some others like to do.

If the work mentioned is to exist by being released after Israel's failure in finding a Two-State solution with the oppressed people of Palestine; it will look like the following:

"The 13 Khawdash Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion" come as a collection of loose sheets or file of documents, the paper of which has been dated to be 60 years old, hand-written in Hebrew. Again, tests on the ink have come back inconclusive, but search for micro-fractures on the surface of the paper have come back as negative.

After close and expert translation by an individual named, Mordechai Jakubowski, 23 protocols have been identified and I have published them in a pdf file document, which became a book.

"The 13 Khawdash Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion" are therefore 60 years old, and therefore are not the book you are refering too, which has been linked by a member earlier in the thread. There are no links, and no copies of this original, 60 year-old work I have in my possession, from what I know.

Doing the quick math, it would suggest that the work dates to circa, post WWII. A very interesting period for the world, I'm sure you'll agree.

Having said all that, you will therefore understand that indeed, very much like the Hitler Diaries, this work's existence is very much still in question. The primary reason I saught to have tests carried out is to begin to prove authenticity, independently. The results of these tests will be published, along with photographs of the original documents and the translated pdf book in English.

On the matter of your most recent post:

Admittedly, the peace was long in finding, people on both sides were heavily scarred and looking for an opportunity to end the violence. "Plain sailing"... since... no! Agreed! But from the side of the IRA, the extremists are not finding purchase in the traditional approach and heartland. People are largely enjoying peace; the youth coming up in the old conflict areas are not being brainwashed with old animosities by old, hardcore leaders.

People around the world like to show what's bad about America's Empirical ways, but a great example of the United States power in the world is so readily available to observe right there in Northern Ireland. And it's with the teenagers: Whether Irish Catholic or Protestant Loyalist, the young aren't divided by their heritage so much as they are united by their appetite for the latest iphone or highest online role playing game score. The promoters of violence, and I'm sure both sides have them, are just ineffective against this "freedom" America offers the youth and the world. As an aside, the only pity for me is that this "freedom" isn't more renewable or green.

But I will not accept your view, and of course you are entitled to furnish this thread with it -- that 'continued hostilites were no longer benefitting anyone'. They were benefitting those in power. My view is that a greater power could be discerned by both sides, in a shared but real seat of power, at the Northern Ireland Assembly, which was found by the "Good Friday" Agreement.

What a wonderful example of peace being found by two old enemies. You just have to notice from the coverage of Queen Elizabeth's visit - and that she even made the visit - to Ireland recently -- the positive reaction people on both sides shared. In fact, a small, embarassing minority bunch were hardly even heard, and there was absolutely no reports of major violent conflict before or after her visit.

Also, from an outsider looking in with the same information you are likely to have, I don't see how instability benefits anyone in the Holy Land anymore -- except perhaps the handful of Palestinian smugglers who control the tunnels in the West Bank - and on the other side - some naive, ideologically mislead Jewish religious students, who seek to find themselves by hanging out at contentious settlements, perhaps believing they are holding down the fort against the "invaders".

Palestians are populating at a much greater speed than the Israeli people, and by the time they catch up, the Israeli people want enough land to remain prosperous at a similar population, I would suggest. You know this already, surely. Furthermore, the Palestinians won't acknowledge that the land of Israel is sanctioned by G_D.

Israeli people are tired of the being bombed, and want peace. Latest numbers point to some 70+ percent in favour of peace.

I am not in a position to expand upon the second part of your last paragraph, in your most recent post.

It is ground which is just far too fragile to cover, and I will only come back to my threat:

The Learned Elders of Zion must lobby the Israeli government to find a peaceful solution in the Middle East through the accomodation of a Two-State solution, which in my view, and there's also, I hope -- is a far more suitable outcome than the release of "The 13 Khawdash Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion" -- to a worldwide audience.

Again, through detailed and intelligent questioning you have allowed me to show the fairness of my proposition. Thank you for that.

But in conclusion, alow me to recapture some of the flourish the former United States President Bill Clinton, brought to his presidency and indeed spread in Northern Ireland as peace, by paraphrasing his speech; that what is bad about America is that which can be fixed by what is good about America.

Peace be with you,
YHWH2

Originally posted by YHWH2
No apology necessary, it seems that not all people are as fond of reading posts which have come before as wcitizen on this thread for instance, and some others like to do.

Nor, does it seem, that some are able to read through and comprehend those replies addressed directly to them before leaping to a defensive, or offensive, stance, and thereby failing to answer the point addressed. I have read the thread, completely, and my request for clarity was based upon my confusion due to your not answering the question at all and instead reiterating and fluffing information already supplied by you elsewhere in the thread. If you would like to read back, I asked about the original Protocol, the one first published in 1903, not the 'renewed' one you claim to have in your possession.

Hopefully we are both clear now

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I have not failed in anything. Use your powers of deduction. Your questions have been answered politely and satisfactorily, in my view.

Again, thank you.

Peace,
YHWH2

Originally posted by YHWH2
reply to post by Pythein

 

I have not failed in anything. Use your powers of deduction. Your questions have been answered politely and satisfactorily, in my view.

Very well, if you say so.

Originally posted by YHWH2
But in conclusion, alow me to recapture some of the flourish the former United States President Bill Clinton, brought to his presidency and indeed spread in Northern Ireland as peace, by paraphrasing his speech; that what is bad about America is that which can be fixed by what is good about America.

I do not doubt that given the right conditions that Clinton would be an effective broker. I personally do not see the possibility of a stable return to 1967 borders and view a single unified state, recognising the equal status of both peoples, and prohibiting the interference of religion in state matters, while still affording them an 'advisory' status, which recognises their import to the people themselves, as the only lasting solution. Clinton has an eviable perspective, admittedly. Clinton, as a Rhodes scholar, should know, it is not so much that the Holy land is holie, but what those holes contain and who has rights to enter and extract. And as a student of Quigley, he should also know the behind-closed-door agreements and cartels that keep that area of the world, not just Palestine and Israel, but the neighbouring and adjacent territories, in a state of upheaval and division. The situation needs someone with the ability to communicate with both peoples in a Realpolik dialogue, that is the only way, through abject honesty, free of ideological pandering, that the peoples will understand and support a real and lasting peace. Just as they did in Ireland. In terms of the Near East, Clinton is a little too Quigley for some, and a little too Rhodes-ian for others. In Ireland though, he was just right.

I wish you luck with your wish, and I certainly do not oppose it, any peace, even short term, saves the lives of children, but as I tried to imply with my initial post, those who produced the original Protocol are not the only group with interests in creating discord in the Near East, and employing my deductive skills based on the available evidence, I am inclined to anticipate an act of 'divine' intervention within the next twelve months 'designed' to have global implications.