Proof We Didn't Go To The Moon?

reply to post by NorthStargal52

I really don't understand any significance to this, at least from a hoax believer's point of view. There are recordings of the broadcast, made at the same time the SSTV tapes were made. The broadcast which was viewed all over the planet. They show the same thing that was on the SSTV.

There are original films from Apollo 11 (not lost). Apollo 11 was not the only Moon landing. There are tapes (original) from them.

Holding up the SSTV tapes as evidence makes no sense. It only shows that those who do, don't understand what the tapes are (were).

reply to post by Illustronic


It's been over 40 years and yet this money excuse still pops up they need more money ..Hmm do you realize how much the ISS program cost?? what that was in 86 I think it got funded .. hmm no denying they absolutely need that program so they could advance in physics and other space techno stuff ..

Yes this is all a part of the needed techno information so that we can really go to the moon .. notice I didn’t say go back to the moon .. I said it is need to make it possible for man to land on the moon ..

I don’t care what you have .. atm .. as far as physics so show me your credentials .. other wise you claiming to be some super moon agent on issues is going overboard its all just your opinion to which you have nothing to back your words up with of the Apollo Moon landing ..

Anyone that really is honest would admit there were mistakes and you yet to admit anything of the sort ..

reply to post by Phage


And I don’t really understand why NASA even brought that out .. which really just added more fuel to the hoax believers doubts even more.

We hoax believers have told our side and yet everything we stated and brought out was so conveniently mutilated and manipulated an twisted around just like in this thread .. but when it comes down to really showing all the evidence and proof we have asked for .. nothing was ever gained .. just lousy weak explanations for every question asked which creates this circle of... im right your wrong .. and that’s where its really at ..

reply to post by NorthStargal52


You are referring to the lost VHS data transmission tapes I assume, from a third party designated to translate the live VIDEO footage of the first moon landing. The raw data is still preserved. This exaggeration of lost 'tapes' is a common 'conspiracy theory' reference when in actuality it is only one mission data translator (already received and transmitted)(that is really deemed superfluous) lost due to some misplacement because the data is not needed anymore.

This is a classic weak argument to blow the whole mission out because of one simple exaggeration on some unspecified conspiracy bull# site.

Discrepancy of one data set does not imply the entire mission to be false.

I sense that the parties involved here are disingenuous in their intention, lazy trolls that want factual data (for whatever reason) by provocative language because they simply are;
A) uneducated in this field
B) want somebody else to do their homework
C) have a debate class assignment that they can win any argument no matter how implausible it may be by circular tactics
D) are really this dumb
E) have that delusion of grandeur that nobody on earth has yet to grasp
F) consider themselves a higher thinker because they dispel all of mankind technological achievements per vadum because they are being lied to (and can't figure out why)
G) or simply find amusement in hiding behind the couch and throwing raspberries at grandma.

A truly demented life to behold. It must suck to be you.

reply to post by NorthStargal52

Not really.

There are mountains of evidence that men walked on the Moon.
Moon rocks. That's pretty hard to fake. Moon rocks which have been studied in depth by scientists all over the planet. Not one of whom has said, "Hey, wait a minute. What's this?"

Hundreds (thousands) of scientific articles based on the data returned from the Moon. Out of all the scientists examining the data with a fine tooth comb, not one has said, "Hey, wait a minute. What's this?"

Photographs corroborated by recent data.


There is no evidence of a hoax. Just fabricated nonsense and a poor understanding of physics and science in general. That poor understanding is what leads to statements like "just lousy weak explanations".

Over 840 pounds of moon rocks have been returned to earth by the MANNED Apollo missions, (not a few ounces).

The one thing I have always seen as proof that we went to the Moon is the video of the Lunar Rover. The dust being kicked up by the moving Rover arcs up from behind the tire and lands in such a perfect ballistic trajectory that it certainly shows it is in a vacuum. The Moon dust just does not act like dust would if it were falling through Earth's atmosphere.

There is not a Moon hoax theory yet that has not been shot down by better understanding. Most Moon hoax believers are quick to point out their standard arguments of "no stars in photographs", "flag blowing in the wind", "non-parallel shadows", "no crater under decent engine bell", "lit-up shadows", "wires holding up astronauts", and "missing photo reticules (crosshairs)". However, all of these standard hoax arguments show such a lack of understanding it would be laughable if I wasn't saddened by some people's dearth of knowledge and critical thinking skills.

The closest thing I see to a Moon "mystery" was the picture of the rover posted a few posts ago that shows no tracks. However, there are mundane explanations for that, too, so it never really bothered me. There is so much more evidence that we DID go to the Moon that I can easily accept one of the prosaic non-hoax explanations for there being no tracks. Personally, I believe that when they loaded the Traverse Gravimeter Experiment equipment back on the rover (the blue object seen in that photo) they kicked up dust that obscured the track. If you look closely, you can see a little bit of a straight line (possible track) leading from the back of that tire.

This video linked below was made about the same time that picture was taken (right before they drove off from station 2). About 2/3 of the way through the video, you can see the astronauts spending a lot of time at the rear of the rover, probably packing up the equipment. It doesn't surprise me that any tracks made by the rover were covered by the dust kicked up by the astronauts working at the back of the rover.

Here's that video:
Link to mpeg video

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

The closest thing I see to a Moon "mystery" was the picture of the rover posted a few posts ago that shows no tracks. However, there are mundane explanations for that, too, so it never really bothered me. There is so much more evidence that we DID go to the Moon that I can easily accept one of the prosaic non-hoax explanations for there being no tracks. Personally, I believe that when they loaded the Traverse Gravimeter Experiment equipment back on the rover (the blue object seen in that photo) they kicked up dust that obscured the track. If you look closely, you can see a little bit of a straight line (possible track) leading from the back of that tire.

Your video was interesting. I would say that if astronauts had been walking behind the Rover and obscured the Rover's tracks that we would in turn see a lot of footprints covering that area in the photo, and we do not. We can see very clear footprints elsewhere though. And the soil behind the wheels doesn't look like it has been trodden down at all... quite the opposite, it looks like untouched soil.
You can see a footprint partially obscured by some kicked up dust and therefore surely there should be many more footprints, some clean, some partially covered around the back of the lander, if as you presume, two astronauts spend a while there moving about.

While I agree this is only one photo there are many photos that show odd anomalies. This one is so hi-res and the area in question so close up that i think its a great example of a faked Lunar photo taken on Earth and deserves attention and discussion.

Would you, Soylent Green (great film btw), agree that there is a possibility, however small, that NASA may have recreated some of the Lunar photos for Apollo missions on the Earth?

I believe the moon rocks evidence (the evidence that NASA believers cling onto as their holy grail of proof) is not as clear cut as NASA would want us to believe. I haven't had the chance to compile all my research into this, and am currently looking forward to an Australian's researcher's 8 hour documentary about so called 'moon' rocks.

When Apollo 11 landed on the moon

Can someone tell me where any one of the two Aldrin or Armstrong demonstrated anything being weightless after they stepped out of the module ??

Did either one show or demonstrate that they were in fact in a no gravity atmosphere?

This one still bugs me but I will mention it ok .. the flag why was it waving ?

And not to mention IMO If in fact the rover is still on the moon from the Apollo missions cause it was left on the Moon right ??
Then it would be and should be visible today through a powerful telescope, Although believers say different .. and in actuality no such rover or debris or anything that was left behind can be seen.

Reading about various things such as the Clementine probe that recently mapped the moons surface failed to show any Apollo artifacts/ rover flag and other stuff left by men during the missions.

SO where did the Moon Buggy/Rover and base of the LM go?

After the first real proclaimed trip that was deemed a success by astronauts from the 1969 moon landing also would have died of radiation .. due to the fact they never had the technology to even know what the radiation levels were actually like until 1998-1999 using the NASA's LEND

The first global mapping of neutron radiation from the Moon was performed by NASA's Lunar Prospector probe in 1998-99
Look it up for your self I have been saying this all along .. that NASA had no clue in 1968or 69 or for that matter for any of the moon missions.

NASA said The LEND will improve on the Lunar Prospector data profiling the energies of these neutrons and showing what fraction are of high energy what is THE most damaging to people!!!! is what I have read ...and what fraction are of lower energies are

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Don’t you think that with this knowledge that is available after the moon mission that, the scientists can begin designing spacesuits, lunar habitats, moon vehicles, and other equipment for NASA's return to the Moon knowing exactly how much radiation shielding this equipment must have to keep humans safe. now this is a after the fact finding by NASA .. They still don’t know how safe it would be to the astronauts this was in 1998
Because it wasn’t til the LEND revealed this information ,, it was not known information in 1960’s or was the computer technology at mission control that advanced .. It is people like you who debunk the real facts that we didn’t go to the moon.. And your reason could very well be that you want to squash any and all hoaxes before someone really y comes out with the real truth .. And if this is not a hoax and we actually did go to the moon still why has it taken so long to go back ?? Its not a money issue cuz we had money to fund the ISS right .

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NorthStargal52

 

I really don't understand any significance to this, at least from a hoax believer's point of view. There are recordings of the broadcast, made at the same time the SSTV tapes were made. The broadcast which was viewed all over the planet. They show the same thing that was on the SSTV.

There are original films from Apollo 11 (not lost). Apollo 11 was not the only Moon landing. There are tapes (original) from them.

Holding up the SSTV tapes as evidence makes no sense. It only shows that those who do, don't understand what the tapes are (were).

edit on 5/28/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I don't understand either why dont you present these recordings so that we all can see or listen where are they ?? I have no clue as to what you are talking about as there are so many of them out there .. can you please post your findings you speak off ??

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


I'm still going with the idea that that rover photo was taken before it ever moved, as you can see in the video Weedwacker posted the astronauts easily handle moving the rover around, picking it up off of the ground, as it's empty weight on the moon is about 77 pounds, 463 pounds on earth. A page or so back I posted some of the rover's data.

Originally posted by Illustronic
Over 840 pounds of moon rocks have been returned to earth by the MANNED Apollo missions, (not a few ounces).

Really where did you get your information from ??? lets see it .. aslo how did they irradiate 840 pounds of rocks can you provide proof of this and how it is done??

reply to post by NorthStargal52


This post is so full of misunderstandings its a waste of time to explain. Nearly everything sited is either false or misinterpreted. I'll just touch on the flag waving misunderstanding. It does move after being placed as it has to be touched and let go of to poke in the surface, with no air friction it is moving for much longer as one cannot place it without moving it. Here's a short animation illustrating it is not moving after settling.

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

I'm still going with the idea that that rover photo was taken before it ever moved, as you can see in the video Weedwacker posted the astronauts easily handle moving the rover around, picking it up off of the ground, as it's empty weight on the moon is about 77 pounds, 463 pounds on earth. A page or so back I posted some of the rover's data.

omg lol your so funny .. 77 pounds on the moon and when it hit earths atmosphere that 463 pounds of wieght???
And that didnt heed or have any affect on the modules earth entry and how was that calulated ?? how did they presume the wieght up on the moon where was the scale ?? can you explinn how they knew just how much this moon dirt, rocks wieghed before they left the moon ?? can you prove the math calulations??

reply to post by NorthStargal52


You have a lot to learn, and man, many misconceptions to remove, it is obvious.....before you will be able to comprehend, fully the science and technical details. See, this question:

Can someone tell me where any one of the two Aldrin or Armstrong demonstrated anything being weightless after they stepped out of the module ??

THAT question is based on poor understanding, and flawed assumptions, from the outset.

The Moon has a gravitational field....so, when on the surface, you are not "weightless".

Why don't you find the nearest library, get a card, and start borrowing some books....to read up on, and learn about, the Space Program. Take a few months, you have a long way to go.......

Originally posted by NorthStargal52

Originally posted by Illustronic
Over 840 pounds of moon rocks have been returned to earth by the MANNED Apollo missions, (not a few ounces).

Really where did you get your information from ??? lets see it .. aslo how did they irradiate 840 pounds of rocks can you provide proof of this and how it is done??

Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC). McKay is a member of the group that oversees the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility at JSC where most of the Moon rocks are stored. "They differ from Earth rocks in many respects,"

NASAdotgov

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by NorthStargal52

 

This post is so full of misunderstandings its a waste of time to explain. Nearly everything sited is either false or misinterpreted. I'll just touch on the flag waving misunderstanding. It does move after being placed as it has to be touched and let go of to poke in the surface, with no air friction it is moving for much longer as one cannot place it without moving it. Here's a short animation illustrating it is not moving after settling.

It's only a waste of time because you cannot provide any information to back up your claims .. other than the flag where did either one of the astronauts demonstrate proof of no gravity. I would think that would of been really simple as he had a flag and all he would had to do is let go of it with of course some type of string attached so the it didn’t fly off into space somewhere lol . oh I’m being silly aren’t I ..

But seriously I am not being silly,, the rover itself would of flipped over during turns do to the gravity issue everyone seems to ignore

reply to post by NorthStargal52


The rocks are in a storage facility, you set them on a scale and weigh them Duh! I really don't understand what you are trying to say about the rover.

reply to post by NorthStargal52


Gravity, read up on it.

Originally posted by NorthStargal52
When Apollo 11 landed on the moon

Can someone tell me where any one of the two Aldrin or Armstrong demonstrated anything being weightless after they stepped out of the module ??

According to maths and physics, and has been clearly demonstrated in various NASA threads, pro and against, the moon, due to its size, has approx 1/6th gravity of the Earth, so weightlessness wouldn't occur on the surface.

Hiya. I like your point about the radiation levels. I find it strange that apart from the Apollo missions no manned craft has gone beyond low earth orbit, and therefore no-one has gone through the van allen belts since.

This one still bugs me but I will mention it ok .. the flag why was it waving ?

Again, physics and science and also demonstration in a vacuum on Earth show that if a flag is made to move then it will continue moving for a long time due to lack of atmosphere/ friction. MOST of the videos where the flag moves the astronots are fiddling with the pole. There is however one video which some suggest show the flag moving without contact from an astronaut.

As I said I'm still on the fence as to wether man landed. But to understand the complexities of the whole issue one must do the basic research, and that means reading anti and pro Apollo sites. There are LOTS of conspiracy theories that don't stand up to scrutiny and so its best to read up on the thing yourself, check out all the many videos available on the subject and read the threads on ATS.

Stuff like gravity, flag movement and the blurry photos of the so called Lunar module on the moons surface have been talked about loads. People like Weed are liable to explode at you for missing some of the basics.

Then it would be and should be visible today through a powerful telescope, Although believers say different .. and in actuality no such rover or debris or anything that was left behind can be seen.

SO where did the Moon Buggy/Rover and base of the LM go?

I totally agree. It should be visible from a space telescope or perhaps the huge mega telescope (forgotten where... Chile?). And Lunar satellites/ probes should really be able to take very close up photos (5cm to a pixel) to confirm once and for all the Module and Rover are there.

All we have are some very blurry, pixellated images, which to me could be anything, and could also be doctored as most of the evidence is still coming from one source... NASA.

Edit: Ah, I see Illustronic got in there first with a terse one line post... one line posts are against the rules here I think... and you could try and be a bit more polite. (Why are NASA lovers all so angry?)

Edit: Blimey... must have taken me longer to reply than I thought... everyone's chipped in!!