Australian Student Uncovers the Universe’s Missing Mass

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Ah, i see, the light shift thing.
If the theory is correct then older light will continue to shorten over time until they enter the x-ray, cosmic ray region. If so, and it takes very long times for this to happen, there should be a 'cut off' frequency, where absolutely nothing exists in the frm of EM waves, assuming that the universe was not yet formed & not yet emitting light, or anything else.
You have a point, however, i can also understand that the expected 'blue shift' is not being seen (or is it?) is because we are all indeed expanding & thus every direction is indeed moving away from us.
Only the universe is far bigger than can be accounted for UNLESS-and here's the clincher-the universe expanded at a mind-bogglingly rate of speed in the first microseconds.It probably did, i'm no cosmologist
It's all a lot of if's & but's-however, there is still plenty of evidence we are expanding, gravity being the best tell-tale since it travels much faster than light, it is more reliable as a more recent source of information, now i don't know about gravitational lensing & all the rest of it, but it has also been seen to produce direct effects, which we are now capable of measuring.
Gravity has a direct effect on angular momentum, & can be measured.
Now i'm not an astronomer, so you will have to go ask one,
Ask him 'what's the speed of gravity?' and 'are we expanding?'
If the universe is static, it could only be so if all energy & mass is equally distributed, that is clearly not the case.
Existence=movement, quite literally.

Originally posted by playswithmachines
You have a point, however, i can also understand that the expected 'blue shift' is not being seen (or is it?)

What do you mean "expected blue shift"? Expected by who?

We do see blue shift when observing the the nearby Andromeda Galaxy.

is because we are all indeed expanding & thus every direction is indeed moving away from us.

The blue shift of the Andromeda Galaxy indicates it's moving toward, not away from us. In fact we think it's on a collision course with the Milky Way galaxy.

The raisin bread analogy of the expanding universe is decent, but it's just an analogy, not a scientific model. There are other various motions in the universe, other than the overall expansion, such as the impending collision of our galaxy with a neighboring galaxy. Since I already had this picture uploaded, here it is:
www.cfa.harvard.edu...
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That's a graphic of the collision of Andromeda with our galaxy.

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But the Neural Connectors aren't an atom in size that is the smallest known particle! Other than quarks which are strings....

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by ThreeNF

 

I also think it's important to bear in mind that the newtonian materialist monist POV is no longer valid, but that instead, we live in a non-local, holographic universe, and if that is the case, then what is "local" in terms of our experience, and the import and export of all our thoughts and actions, matters and in fact might mean everything and impact the entire spectrum of all being and becoming, where nothing may be considered insignificant, and no action without the farthest reaching implications. Puts a whole new spin on the Christ story and the work of the cross within the relative framework of human being..

Thus, the human being, as an expression of an eternal cosmic evolutionary process can only be one of two things, either a THING, or, part of the whole thing, even it's highest impulse to creation and increasing complexity (ie: the human brain and mind/body/universe connection), and therefore as the PROCESS itself, and never a mere thing.

The implications of this, within the whole framework of a non-localized, holographic universe, in the fullness of time and history, is utterly astounding.

It's been said that our liberation is God's compulsion.

could we be more free, in the grand scheme of things, than we're ever even begun to imagine as intrinsic to the whole of it all, maybe even its very heart and soul.. ?

are we maybe God, or his highest expression in the fullness of cosmic evolutionary progress towards perfection, seeking in eternity to "know thyself"?

if it puts a smile on your face, and gives you peace, then you know the answer...


Koinonia - intimate sharing and participation - that's Life, imho.

so grateful to be grateful..

God Bless!

NAM

"God made our spirit with wings to fly in the spacious firmament of love and freedom. How pitiful then, to lop off our wings by our own hand, and suffer ourselves to crawl like vermin upon the earth."
~ Khalil Gibran

Originally posted by Ceriddwen
Some of those pictures seriously look like a neurological system. Synapses, neurons, dendrites, etc. Kinda threw a thought into my head that maybe the universe is just the interior of someone's brain and we are all just thoughts and electrical impulses inside it.

Yup - I get the spooky feeling that is exactly what the brain is: - a working model of the universe!


Fabulous post by the way - must have taken a lot of work to put together.

Does he mention anything about antimatter?

"this is really a great finding for a 22 year old who is studying to be an astonomer" - xploder

Agreed! Bravo! Keep wondering!

To what degree do your models depend on consistency and stability of time? I see the potential for changing values of space according to how perspectives of dark matter and energy evolve, but if time is also a changing value, as far as its stability as a measurement, is there a potential for this sort of differential to change your models?

Originally posted by squiz
Nice work Xploder. This is just another in the recent run of discoveries/announcements that no doubt confirms the existence of large scale intergalactic currents. And they are behaving exactly as plasma cosmologists have been describing for decades. The fillaments (birkeland currents) have the ability to scavenge up even non ionised matter and accrete it radially inwards in a process called 'marklund convection'.

In a nutshell...

The constant width over vast distances is due to the current flowing along the Birkeland filaments, each filament constituting a part of a larger electric circuit. And in a circuit the current must be the same in the whole filament although the current density can vary in the filament due to the electromagnetic pinch effect. Therefore the electromagnetic scavenging effect on matter from the molecular cloud, called Marklund convection, is constant along each current filament, which simply explains the consistency of widths of the filaments. The stars form as plasmoids in the Bennett-pinches, also known in plasma labs on Earth as Z-pinches.

Just on the case of the missing matter, This is only a problem in the big bang gravity driven universe. And no this doesn't account for the missing matter in that model anyway. Thing is, it seems the constant of gravity isn't all that constant and has been pretty difficult to lock down. Problems from the get go

i found the material you link to compelling
thank you very much as there was some interesting information on the filiments inside dusty gas clouds



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credit squiz star for post



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Arxiv - Most of the baryons in the Universe are thought to be contained within filaments of galaxies, but as yet, no single study has published the observed properties of a large sample of known filaments to determine typical physical characteristics such as temperature and electron density. This paper presents a comprehensive large-scale search conducted for X-ray emission from a population of 41 bona fide filaments of galaxies to determine their X-ray flux and electron density. The sample is generated from Pimbblet et al.’s (2004) filament catalogue, which is in turn sourced from the 2 degree Field Galaxy Redshift Survey (2dFGRS). Since the filaments are expected to be very faint and of very low density, we used stacked ROSAT All-Sky Survey data. We detect a net surface brightness from our sample of filaments of (1.6±0.1)× 10^−14 erg cm^−2 s^−1 arcmin−2 in the 0.9–1.3 keV energy band for 1 keV plasma, which implies an electron density. Finally, we examine if a filament’s membership to a supercluster leads to an enhanced electron density as reported by Kull and Bohringer (1999). We suggest it remains unclear if supercluster membership causes such an enhancement.

havent read the full article yet but its nice to have the numbers
xploder

Originally posted by alumnathe
"this is really a great finding for a 22 year old who is studying to be an astonomer" - xploder

Agreed! Bravo! Keep wondering!

To what degree do your models depend on consistency and stability of time? I see the potential for changing values of space according to how perspectives of dark matter and energy evolve, but if time is also a changing value, as far as its stability as a measurement, is there a potential for this sort of differential to change your models?

the thread i wrote about the quasars
Discovery that quasars don't show time dilation mystifies astronomers

The effect can be explained because (1) the speed of light is a constant (independent of how fast a light source is moving toward or away from an observer) and (2) the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, which causes light from distant objects to redshift (i.e. the wavelengths to become longer) in relation to how far away the objects are from observers on Earth. In other words, as space expands, the interval between light pulses also lengthens. Since expansion occurs throughout the universe, it seems that time dilation should be a property of the universe that holds true everywhere, regardless of the specific object or event being observed. However, a new study has found that this doesn’t seem to be the case - quasars, it seems, give off light pulses at the same rate no matter their distance from the Earth, without a hint of time dilation.

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"at the same rate no matter their distence from earth, without a hint of time dialation"
in my interpretation there is a common source that powers the the "cycle" of the quasars and this is like the "clock speed" of a computer, the base speed that all things in our galaxy refer to when outside the "local" effects of gravity distorting time dialation. that effects each scale relitive to the observer.

these are only speculations in this reply mind you

xploder

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I stand corrected
But we are definitely all moving, in an explosion like pattern, right?

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
reply to post by XPLodER

 

So is this similar to the so-called "quantum foam"? I thought the universe would eventually be found to be foamy or frothy in structure:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7db5fafe0953.jpg[/atsimg]

edit on 5/24/2011 by this_is_who_we_are because: typo

this could turn out to be a very good way to visualize the universal structure with its walls and voids
the idea that our universe is comprised of bubbles either on the small plank scale or on a galactic or cluster scale
thanks

xploder

According to the article, the girl is a 22year old intern who was looking at/analyzing the images taken from a project run by actual astrophysicists. I fail to see how she discovered anything; any credit should go to the astrophysicists.

Amazing information. Scanned to the end so I could post and subscribe. I'll be back to read when I have more time.

disclaimer: serious people ignore my post. I want take a bet with myself
(I read it 50 years from now to check bet outcome)

If low density electrons at 100 million degrees create walls of mass :
1) decreasing temperature and increasing density creates gravity
2) universe had no big bang, is just "reshuffling on and off"
3) universe expansion is simply a side effect of such "glue" loosing strength
4) such mechanism is so simple and perfect that lasted for an infinite amount of time.
..if I was correct, I love my universe is so simple !

Originally posted by ErgoSphere
According to the article, the girl is a 22year old intern who was looking at/analyzing the images taken from a project run by actual astrophysicists. I fail to see how she discovered anything; any credit should go to the astrophysicists.

i suspect the acual break through was using gravitational lensing and the ability to see large scale structures at massive distences that allowed for a "clean" control to be established allowing the information through the lense to be interpreted in a new way

xploder

Originally posted by playswithmachines
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

I stand corrected

But we are definitely all moving, in an explosion like pattern, right?

the explosion like pattern could also be and effect of gravitational lensing
from foreground lenses
xploder

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Hey,

You should check out : Fractals - The colors of inifnity. It pretty much relates to "things" being similar in nature (universe). It's pretty interesting and you can find it on youtube.com

Originally posted by ThreeNF

Originally posted by jessejamesxx
"As Above, So Below" doesn't get any truer though.

I was just thinking the same thing when I was looking at the pictures. Maybe we live inside the brain of a larger being, who lives inside the brain of even a larger being. Inside our brain are tiny universes. As Above, So Below. Perhaps we live in a fractal universe :-)

I believe that that is the answer. Lightning looks like river systems, looks like cracks over bed-rock, looks like moss growth, veins, neurons, etc..... Bronchi in lungs, limbs of trees, corral.

A friend of mine and I have spoken about this many a time (as have many of us I'm sure.). These seeming neural clusters of galaxies all intertwined could be all that we are, represented in differing energetic states, and we, each leaf, ant and elephant (and human) are the embodiment of those energies. In our life-span, we could actively be moving through the 3D-space of fractal realities and not even acknowledge it. each and every circumstance does happen and the individual perception, whether wood, metal or flesh is experienced not only by 'you', the 'I', the 'one' part of your soul, but each individual perception to infinity on this fractal reality is experienced by the WHOLE of the soul that is 'you'. The whole of your soul connects the whole of my soul and all souls, just as we see with these galaxy clusters. True, 'As above, so below', as with-in, so with-out.

Our perception of consciousness is a whole 'nother story though. lol

Thoughts that provoke these kinds of thoughts are the thoughts I thought were driving me insane, so you ask, what comes before? and the brain farts.. nothing? fear? emptiness? I settled on acceptance. I ask the questions still, and ponder the answers, but lie content in that I feel I can not know. But I do. (not) know.

ps sorry for going off topic.... this does seem like it's the fairly agreed upon bi-topic.
On topic for a sentence; I support the electric universe model and since I watched that docu, "Thunderbolts of the Gods" I've been wondering when the next great shift in contemporary thought will occure... I'm waiting for our 'flat' theories to explode in our faces and 'round-out' so to speak.