Unit 1 nuclear power plant fukushima...TIME TO RUN...

This is madness. There is so much money involved in the nuclear business, that I fear we will never hear the truth about the severity of this disaster.

I really feel for the Japanese, especially those who have homes close to Fukushima... but really, this is affecting us all.

reply to post by merkaba93


So it seems that the measurement is right...200Sv/h..exposure to such a high level of radiation means certainly death for any living creature

No human or machine can approach a source spewing 200 sievert per hour. It is basically instantaneous death.

But then can somebody explain me why I hear birds singing while watching the live feed?? Shouldn't they be already dead since several weeks ago?? Or maybe they just arrived after a long migration trip??

Originally posted by Hundroid
reply to post by merkaba93

 

So it seems that the measurement is right...200Sv/h..exposure to such a high level of radiation means certainly death for any living creature

No human or machine can approach a source spewing 200 sievert per hour. It is basically instantaneous death.

But then can somebody explain me why I hear birds singing while watching the live feed?? Shouldn't they be already dead since several weeks ago?? Or maybe they just arrived after a long migration trip??

because this reading is from a meter inside a containment vessel.

It's now more than 10 minutes I hear birds singing...there can be only two explanations:

1) those birds evolved very quickly and they became radiation-resistant

2) 200Sv/h is not a valid measurement

Let's be clear: I deeply believe we are being lied by the official sources about Fukushima and what's going on there, but I cannot tell myself not to listen to my own ears.

reply to post by SirCoxone

because this reading is from a meter inside a containment vessel.

That changes the story quite a lot and I should have included this as third option in my post.

Originally posted by Hundroid
It's now more than 10 minutes I hear birds singing...there can be only two explanations:

1) those birds evolved very quickly and they became radiation-resistant

2) 200Sv/h is not a valid measurement

Let's be clear: I deeply believe we are being lied by the official sources about Fukushima and what's going on there, but I cannot tell myself not to listen to my own ears.

who is supplying the live feed?

maybe they are just playing birds sounds on a recorder beside the mic to make us all feel better

seems like a sort of hello kitty-feel good method that might summon good luck

Something else I also noticed: there is smoke arising from both plants (I guess the one on the right is the badly damaged reactor n.2?) that looks like steam, is it normal? And then, it's really quiet...no machines, no workers, no helicopters. No more hopes or issue solved?

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The broadcaster should be the following: JNN

I cannot believe a national broadcaster is deliberately adding bird sounds...come on....

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It is obviously a twitter feed.

Originally posted by colin42
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It is obviously a twitter feed.

Now thats funny....

vimeo.com...

Here is Arnie Gundersen's explanation on the design flaws of these reactors. Maybe it will help in the discussion. Have not viewed yet, it was just released....going to view now...

Just saw where Arnie was saying "we now know that Fuku. #1 was cracked and in meltdown BEFORE the tsunami ever hit, the earthquake caused the meltdown...hmmm

Originally posted by predator0187
Chernobyl was pumping out 300 sV/h when it was fissioning and it exploded. That was the reading at the core as it was directly exposed.

No reason to panic yet, just be aware. The radiation has quite a distance to travel to make it to North America, the people in Japan should be aware. Where's that damn sheet they were working on?

The effects will still be negligible here, even if all three cores go into full meltdown we will be fine. May have to be careful of certain foods and not swim in the pacific for a bit, but nothing to get panicked about. Relax, there is nothing that we can do, now TEPCO should so something, but the way they are working we will all die of cancers before anything is fixed.

Pred...

You seem to know alot about this subject. do you know how/if we can know when radioactive particles have made it here. I've heard that they will travel alot further then the normal radiation where the half life of those won't make it to far.

yes the radiation has increased in unit 1 but its not spewing out.

if it was spewing out you would see a increase in reactors two and three

you can get widely varying reading just from a change of the amount of water on the floor in the room that the meter is in..

if i remember unit one is still being cooled by the water spray truck.

the real information would be a graph of temperature and radiation.

if they are both going up you have a real problem. if its just the radiation its not a real problem.

any place inside the three reactor buildings in no mans land.

the only thing that will be entering except for very short term trips is robots.
robots will have to removed the debris from damaged reactor building.
the reactors and fuel pools will have to be the fuel removed by robots.
then the robots will have to clean the building. to the lowest radiation levels possible

This was how they cleaned up three mile island.

Its my understanding that in the US and japan they are already building over 60 radiation hardened robots just to clean up these reactors.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Quote:

"the only thing that will be entering except for very short term trips is robots.
robots will have to removed the debris from damaged reactor building.
the reactors and fuel pools will have to be the fuel removed by robots.
then the robots will have to clean the building. to the lowest radiation levels possible"




I heard they already tried robots and they quit working after 3-5 mins because the radiation was so bad....

Here's more cover ups -

newsmedicalworld.blogspot.com...

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May 18 Emergency vents that American officials have said would prevent devastating hydrogen explosions at nuclear plants in the United States were put to the test in Japan — and failed to work, according to experts and officials with the company that operates the crippled Fukushima Daiichi plant. And recently released documents paint a picture of increasing desperation at the plant in the early hours of the disaster, as workers who had finally gotten the go-ahead to vent realized that the system would not respond to their commands.

Source: topics.nytimes.com...

As the nation struggled with a rescue effort, it also faced the worst nuclear emergency since Chernobyl; explosions and leaks of radioactive gas took place in three reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station that suffered partial meltdowns, while spent fuel rods at another reactor overheated and caught fire, releasing radioactive material directly into the atmosphere. Japanese officials turned to increasingly desperate measures, as traces of radiation were found in Tokyo's water and in water pouring from the reactors into the ocean. A month after the quake, nuclear officials put the crisis in the same category of severity as the Chernobyl disaster. In May, Prime Minister Naoto Kan, who had been criticized for showing a lack of leadership, said Japan would abandon plans to build new nuclear reactors, saying his country needed to “start from scratch” in creating a new energy policy that should include greater reliance on renewable energy and conservation.

I can't find this reported anywhere else except energy news and they're obviously citing the same graph.

Found lots of blog and forum posts but they also link the same info. What's the deal? Anyone able to find an alternate source yet?

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Time to run where? That stuff is going to pollute the entire atmosphere, in fact weren't people already detecting radiation in the States like a week after this originally happened? We're all screwed no matter where we run to. If anything, time to dig, hide underground like trolls until this is all over in a couple dozen years or so.

Also, is it just me or has the media been awfully quiet about these nuclear shenanigans?

ihavent heard anything about it where i live =/

200 Sv?
No way....

Ok so maybe we can start taking this Tokyo evac scenario serious now folks?

Oh but I forgot. It cost to much money. Even though somehow everyone affords car insurance and the gas to get to work....they somehow can't afford to drive the same distance just in the opposite direction?

People do realize that ionizing radiation induces other non-radioactive things into exhibiting different radioactive signatures? Of course every element we deal with has differing thresholds and induction rates, but the point is, most of these will induce all types of lingering radioactive activity.

And no this isn't going away in a few dozen years.

Let's be serious here. The science is giving us several figures for each respective isotope. Let's talk in the thousands of year scale, that way we can talk accurately and honestly.

You know about the Pyramids in Egypt? You know how old those things are? The plutonium can remain radioactive and decaying for 10 or 20 times longer than the entire age of the pyramids. That's just a rough estimate but the point is....the time scale we are dealing with on this pollution outlasts human time scales by exponential levels.

Here's an idea. Let's make a spaceship and get the hell out of Dodge.

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