Harold Camping 'Bewildered' After Failed Doomsday Prediction

reply to post by silent thunder


how many suicides were there as a result of this?

does anyone know?


72million?
someone needs to make sure every effin penny gets back to the person it belongs to.

Originally posted by violence=answer
reply to post by silent thunder

 

how many suicides were there as a result of this?

does anyone know?


72million?
someone needs to make sure every effin penny gets back to the person it belongs to.

I havent heard of any suicides because of all thats going on, cmon, are people really that gullible? I guess. Stranger things have happened.

Originally posted by 547000
That's assuming he was consciously being deceptive.

Logic tells you he was doing it for the money. If he belieed this 100%, then why was he asking for donations. I mean, if he was right, then money would be pointless, unless he believes that money is used in heaven.

Also, has he given this money back to the people? the people who have lost there savings,houses etc? In fact if he was so confident about this, why didn't he get rid of his money and his house? Its because he knew deep down that this was not going to happen. I mean, if he was a Christian, and actually read the bible, he would have known that no human can predict the rapture and only God knows when that will happen.

He just used the bible (fairytales) to mke money. Do you think he cares about the people who lost alot of money becase of his lies? I don't think so

reply to post by silent thunder


do you ever think threads on this site could have a similar effect on people? Most people don't take the doomsday threads here too seriously. But what about the few people that do?

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
reply to post by silent thunder

 

do you ever think threads on this site could have a similar effect on people? Most people don't take the doomsday threads here too seriously. But what about the few people that do?

I doubt they give their life savings away, or kill themselves. but hey who knows.

reply to post by reesie45


why would you think that. if some people are stupid enough to believe the BS about the 21st why wouldn't there be people on here who take some of the prediction threads seriously?

Originally posted by 547000
I disagree with your premise. I don't think rich people have to be evil.

Never said anything like that...please don't put words in my mouth, go back and read what I wrote. I said nobody comes into that kind of money and keeps it without deception. And deception, like it or not, is part of human life on all levels, so it's not evil per se -- although it certainly can be when taken to extremes. Wouldn't you agree that this situation is a bit on the extreme side?

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
reply to post by silent thunder

 

do you ever think threads on this site could have a similar effect on people? Most people don't take the doomsday threads here too seriously. But what about the few people that do?

Inneresting...I mean, its possible I guess. This site certainly attracts some unbalanced (or, more kindly perhaps, "eccentric") minds. We have quite a crew here actually, both past and present...

I have no doubt ATS can get ahold of people. I have to admit its a big part of my life and its really got my hooks in me on some level. I'm guessing the same is true for most of the other WATS posters whether they want to admit it or not. But I'm not convinced it exerts the same kind of influence over people as cults and religious movements. When you have a group like Camping's, you have real physical presence, you are throwing your real self and your bank account into it. In that sense, I think a phenomenon like Facebook is more likely to cause people to act out inapropriately in the real world than ATS.

I noticed the senile old coot only comes out when he runs out of money, yeah he's bewildered that the lord didn't strike him down for lying. If I lied that hard, I'd be shocked Jesus didn't take me to hell either

Originally posted by silent thunder

Originally posted by 547000
I disagree with your premise. I don't think rich people have to be evil.

Never said anything like that...please don't put words in my mouth, go back and read what I wrote. I said nobody comes into that kind of money and keeps it without deception. And deception, like it or not, is part of human life on all levels, so it's not evil per se -- although it certainly can be when taken to extremes. Wouldn't you agree that this situation is a bit on the extreme side?

Deception is evil. I'm not a moral relativist.

Then if you disagree, I'd say that very wealthy people do not always deceive.

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by 547000
That's assuming he was consciously being deceptive.

Logic tells you he was doing it for the money. If he belieed this 100%, then why was he asking for donations. I mean, if he was right, then money would be pointless, unless he believes that money is used in heaven.

Also, has he given this money back to the people? the people who have lost there savings,houses etc? In fact if he was so confident about this, why didn't he get rid of his money and his house? Its because he knew deep down that this was not going to happen. I mean, if he was a Christian, and actually read the bible, he would have known that no human can predict the rapture and only God knows when that will happen.

He just used the bible (fairytales) to mke money. Do you think he cares about the people who lost alot of money becase of his lies? I don't think so

Logic cannot tell such things unless you state your premises.

I see that he was using the money to spread the word far and wide as possible because he genuinely believed it was the end.

As for the money, I think some of it was used, so it couldn't be sent back. And he just might do it or give the money to charity. At this point we don't know what he'll do.

I think he may care; I don't know his heart.

reply to post by silent thunder


I personaly think the old guy was deluded, but genuine.

I think he truly believed in his own prediction.

If his biggest crime was to want, with all his heart for Jesus to return, to right the injustices on this planet, then he is by any definition a good man.

Those who thinks he did it for money are equally deluded. The last thing a man is in his late eightees, would need or want is more money.

I feel very sad for him and all those that believed in his prediction.

How many here would have that much conviction about ANYTHING?

When you make scathing posts ridiculing him and those that believed him, you just show yourselves to be lacking and it is to your own detriment.

I wouldn't be surprised if Camping committed suicide himself, seriously. How he can live with himself is beyond me. The guy needs to really shut his trap. And I'm a Christian who believes in the end times.

reply to post by kennyb72

I personaly think the old guy was deluded, but genuine.

I think he truly believed in his own prediction.

If his biggest crime was to want, with all his heart for Jesus to return, to right the injustices on this planet, then he is by any definition a good man.

Those who thinks he did it for money are equally deluded. The last thing a man is in his late eightees, would need or want is more money.

I feel very sad for him and all those that believed in his prediction.

How many here would have that much conviction about ANYTHING?

When you make scathing posts ridiculing him and those that believed him, you just show yourselves to be lacking and it is to your own detriment.

Amen - but no one here will listen or even take this into consideration unless you buy some billboards
just sayin

Dear Harold,
It appears that our schedules were a bit off. I have Outlook Express, the newer version, perhaps you didn't get the update. Oh well. Since my schedule is my own (finding a good secretary is impossible!) I'm going to have to keep the whole "Rapture" thingy to myself for a while longer.
It's like Celebrity Apprentice. Nobody is going to know until the very end. So with that being said, buck up l'il camper. Oh, and give back the money. Trust me, it might help you later on. *wink*

Sincerely,
God

Originally posted by Nick_X
Does anybody have a source on all this "money" I keep hearing about??

I keep hearing he made tons of money on it, but I have not seen a single source backing this up at all.

cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...
Funding the Apocalypse

Lots of money is being spent on promoting the Rapture, however. Family Radio's financial records indicate that the nonprofit organization had $122 million in net assets in 2007. The figures for the following year, 2008, show $41 million in expenses, resulting in net assets of $86 million. The 2009 report shows expenses of $37 million and net assets of $72 million. And judging by the billboard ads, bus ads and direct-mail campaigns promoting the Rapture, the spending rate must have risen substantially since those reports were filed.

There will probably be a new audit real soon.

Take him to court under the Gullible Act of 1897

Originally posted by Nick_X
Does anybody have a source on all this "money" I keep hearing about??

I keep hearing he made tons of money on it, but I have not seen a single source backing this up at all.

I've wondered about that also. In an interview I heard on CNN, he said he had invested his own life savings into "getting the word out", and only kept enough money to get through to the 21st.

Besides, what would an 85 year old do with all those millions? I mean, Nursing Homes aren't THAT expensive.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


I don't know about Mr. Camping financials but most non-profits' tax returns are available online.

Here is the one for Family Radio for 2009. Family Stations Inc - 990

A couple days before the deadline I wrote what I hope explains how and why so many people get suckered into such things, whether it's the false prophets or the false healers:
The Fickle Finger of Faith

"Wolves in sheep's clothing" were warned about by both Jesus and his followers, and the apostle Paul said that this "scattering of the flock" would happen quickly, as soon as they all died off. History shows this to have been accurate: within a generation or so a hierarchy formed and overlords arose to begin browbeating people into submission. This is not what Jesus set up or the NT teaches, but only what control freaks lusted for. This is not to say that God hasn't been able to do anything good through the churches, or that no one has had genuine faith. But it does say that this is not what was meant to be, and that when people stray from the "narrow way" they can expect to twist an ankle.

The Campings and Hinns of the church world began as any other "pastors" begin: believing that Christianity must involve a hierarchy, buildings, sacred furniture and robes, pulpits, pews, and professional performances. They go to seminaries that perpetuate the paradigm and the whole thing takes on a life of its own--- but not the spiritual life Jesus intended. Power corrupts, and when you give someone the power of God over their fellow human beings, it's almost literally playing with fire. The system is designed to expose sincere people to their greatest vulnerabilities, and as an expert strategist and ambush predator, Satan knows exactly how to corrupt the church. Control the few at the top and you control the many.

I escaped what I call The Institution, though again I must emphasize that I hold no animosity to those still in it. I was there for the first 47 years of my life, very active all the time, and from a long line of such active churchgoers including pastors and teachers. I escaped by reading the NT and having to choose between what it clearly said (and did not say) and what the churches were doing. My purpose in life since then is to try and convince other believers that "churchianity" is not Christianity as Jesus intended, as well as trying to take the simple gospel to the lost of course.

As others have pointed out elsewhere, there is a double standard in the world toward Christianity's human failings: where is the mockery of the followers of Al Gore and Climategate? Where is the mockery and calls for accountability for the ones promoting this fearmongering tripe? Nostradamus was extremely ambiguous and the followers of his teachings bend over backwards to contort his writings to current events. But any joking about him or them is very mild in comparison to what Christians get. But that's a problem those with the double standard will have to figure out for themselves.