Haarp Ya Gonna Love it! - Leuren Moret Blows her Whistle Again with Forensic Evidence & More.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Unity_99

 

She is an incredible person

Literally.
She says HAARP transmits ELF. It does not. She is not credible. Pretty funny actually.

edit on 5/22/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I guess this report from Stanford University is not credible either?
Ionospheric modification and ELF/VLF wave generation by HAARP
nlpc.stanford.edu...

Maybe this one is rubbish too?
ELF/VLF Phased Array Generation via Frequency-matched Steering of a Continuous HF Ionospheric Heating Beam
vlf.stanford.edu...

Or this snippet from a research paper?

vlf.stanford.edu...

The VLF group focuses on using HAARP to generate ELF and VLF waves through a process called modulated heating. Such experiments have been conducted since 1999 and include Milikh et al. (1999); Cohen et al. (2008); Rodriguez et al. (1999). HAARP is located in a region where large natural currents, known as the auroral electrojet flow through the ionosphere. By turning the HF array on and off (i.e. modulating the HF power) at ELF frequencies, we can also modulate the conductivity of the ionosphere at those frequencies (Ferraro et al., 1982; Stubbe and Kopka, 1977; Tomko et al., 1980). When combined with the electric field that drives the auroral electrojet, the result is a current that oscillates and thus radiates at the modulation frequency: a ELF antenna in the ionosphere.

In these and other studies on HAARP and VLF/ELF frequencies, various other words are used such as VLF/ELF 'emission' , 'VLF/EMF 'radiation' and VLF/ELF 'generation'.

Her use of the word 'transmit' (which can be explained by the fact that she is trying to translate complex scientific facts into layman's language) is not too far from the words used in the research papers on HAARP and ELF/VLF.

Clearly, HAARP can and does generate ELF/VLF.

Unauthorised History of HAARP. Marshall D. Smith

Snippet:

INTRODUCTION

There has been considerable interest in the possibility the mysterious 0.9 Hz ULF signal observed by the ELFrad group is a result of HAARP broadcasts. I have been monitoring HAARP for sometime and noted a number of similar characteristics between the HAARP broadcasts and the dates, times and pulsing of the ULF signal. The name HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) would imply its major function is the creation of high-frequency or shortwave signals.

Nonetheless, one of the main purposes of HAARP is the generation of powerful ULF/ELF/VLF signals as stated in both the original design patent and in their list of ongoing research activities. For those researchers using sensitive ULF/ELF receivers or magnetometers for seismic correlation studies it would be useful to know when HAARP is generating ULF signals and then subtract those signals from your data set. Unfortunately, HAARP does not notify the public of the varied dates, times and frequency, or nature of modulation of its transmissions. So you would need to determine that for yourself.

[unquote]

reply to post by goos3


Actually if you blow off everything thing on this site without any critical thinking as you did this post I have no idea what you are doing here. The interesting thing to me was the fact that she was an expert witness for the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan held in Tokyo Japan. I looked it up and the judge over the Tribunal handed down a very unfavorable decision pertaining to President Bush. Also HR 2977 was brought up pertaining to HAARP and Chemtrails. Which after the bill was passed it was stated that the particular word chemtrail was omitted in a later version. Just remember whats in a name. A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.

Early learning Programming , That HARRP is OK!!!!!!!

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by wcitizen

Yes. I know HAARP can induce VLF radiation in the ionosphere. I said that it can. When ionospheric conditions are right it can produce very low levels of VLF and ELF radiation, perhaps a few hundred watts. Her use of the word "transmit" can be explained by the fact that she doesn't know what she's talking about.

Tell me, what do you think about her statements about HAARP, television, the power grid, cell phones and "wind towers" being part of a mind control network? That the Russians were a "pretend enemy" during the cold war? That Chernobyl was a transmitter? Perhaps you can find some evidence to back her claims up, that she knows what shes talking about.

reply to post by redrose123

I'm no fan of Bush or his invasion but the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan was a kangaroo court, a court with no standing. The only "witnesses for the defense" were amicus curiae.

The amicus curiae is a legal term that finds its origins in Latin. Literally translated from Latin, it means “friend of the court” and refers to someone who has no relevance to any particular side in a case. Instead, they volunteer information regarding a point of law or something else relevant to the case that they feel may help the court in deciding a matter related to it.

amicuscuriae.org...

Also HR 2977 was brought up pertaining to HAARP and Chemtrails. Which after the bill was passed it was stated that the particular word chemtrail was omitted in a later version.

HR 2977 was never passed, with or without its reference to "chemtrails" and "extraterrestrial weapons". It was never voted on. It never left committee.

Originally posted by goos3
reply to post by Bixxi3

 

Is it just me or does that lady look like she is on drugs?
Junkies are not a good source.
I didn't watch the video, so i might be wrong.

Deny what?

Nevermind...
embrace your ignorance.

Pathetic.

Just like Alfred webber is getting to be.
He's a good guy and all, and makes sense on a lot of things..
But he is starting to go off onto the tinfoil hat path..

and this is coming from me.. who is often accused of being the leader of my own tinfoil hat brigade. lol

This may be off subject but please bear with me. My question is to those who are insisting that HARRP is not capable of producing the technology that Moret speaks of. (Please correct me if I misunderstood that arguement.) So, based on my understanding, you are completely satisfied that TPTB have fully disclosed to the general public the full extent of what HARRP is intended for and the limits of its capabilities. Given the documented history of deception to the American people, I would have to conclude that for you to feel this strongly about what HARRP can and can not do you must be in the "loop" , working closely with those who are operating it or helped build it or something where you would be privy to more insider information than the rest of us. If you are only relying on information that is available to the general public, I give you this: There are many websites and much information out there that will support and legitimize either arguement. I would most definitly be prone to accept someone who has been in the "loop" and witnessed first hand the objectives of the players. Granted, much sounds far fetched but knowing that technology is advanceing at an incredible pace and TPTB have a dark agenda for world humanity, what this lady is saying should be taken seriously. Of course, as is their way, if they let this lady live they would work to make her look crazy,discredit her so people such as your self would argue her legitimacy thereby placing doubt in others minds. Not everyone has to doubt just enough that is stops whatever progess was being made to discover the truth. In my opinion, the truth is HARRPS capabilities are even more distruction than you could ever imagine.

www.elfis.net...
ELF Magnetic Fields and EEG Entrainment

The following scientific documentation also helps to validate the claims of human rights activists, or those who are personally affected by deliberate transmissions. Contributing to this is the inherently subjugating influence of radiation from power lines, appliances, communication networks, and the broadcast media. These represent a proven risk which should concern even mind control skeptics.

mindcontrolgrid.com...
its really pretty cool when used on some one else

United States Patent 6,470,214
O'Loughlin , et al. October 22, 2002
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Method and device for implementing the radio frequency hearing effect
Abstract
A modulation process with a fully suppressed carrier and input preprocessor filtering to produce an encoded output; for amplitude modulation (AM) and audio speech preprocessor filtering, intelligible subjective sound is produced when the encoded signal is demodulated using the RF Hearing Effect. Suitable forms of carrier suppressed modulation include single sideband (SSB) and carrier suppressed amplitude modulation (CSAM), with both sidebands present.

patft.uspto.gov... =6470214&RS=6470214

Monet seams to have been correct in her assesments of the dangers of DU
she may be right about other things
if the above patent is legit

reply to post by Phage


Simply means a third party person who has no direct involment in the case. It is used in European Court on Human Rights and Inter American Court on Human Rights. By your standards apparently all Tribunals on Human Rights are Kangaroo Courts. Because she has no direct interest in the case doesn't mean her testimony and knowledge presented was wrong. In regards to HR 2977. To be honest I hadn't studied into to it as I probably should have. However would anyone expect that type of bill to get out of committee? There may be too many questions asked.

reply to post by Danbones

The patent is "legit", it exists but it should be pointed out that is not required that a method be shown to work for a patent to be issued. That patent utilizes the microwave auditory effect, a known thermal effect which produces the perception of a clicking sound when the microwave beam is turned off and on. The invention proposes a method whereby the clicking could be modulated quickly enough to produce intelligble speech. It requires the use of microwaves, lower frequencies do not produce the effect. HAARP does not use microwaves so that can have nothing to do with what she is talking about. It does nothing to validate her statements.

She claims that "chemtrails" are used to bounce the ELF radiation anywhere around the world. If the ELF is produced in the ionosphere (at around 75km above the surface) how does that work? "Chemtrails" are much lower than that. Wouldn't the radio waves bounce off of the top of them and shoot off into space? So which is it? Does she claim that HAARP transmits ELF or does she understand that it does not?

reply to post by Phage


Unless you built and operate the machine yourself, there is no way to know this for sure.

reply to post by redrose123

You're right. In principle.

The point was that there was no actual defense witness present, no one who could fully plead Bush's case. Moret presented the "Groves memo" from 1943 about the possible use of radioactive materials in warfare. Monet claimed that the memo was specific to the use of DU, it was not. DU is not mentioned in the memo nor would it function as described in the memo. It's clear that the memo refers to highly radioactive materials. The amicus curiae did not rebut her statements there was no witness for the defense to cross examine her.

The "court" had no legal standing, no international status. It was a pointless exercise and claiming that, because Monet was an used as an "expert witness" on DU it lends credibility to her claims about HAARP is a very weak appeal to authority. A fallacy.

reply to post by Naptown317

Did she build and operate it?

But it is possible to know for sure. The antenna array is incapable of transmitting ELF. The elements are far too small.

I've read a number of the hundreds of scientific papers written about HAARP. If HAARP has such powerful and secret capabilities, why is there so much publicly available information about it? Can you point out a truly secret facility for which so many different scientists (and students) are allowed access, allowed to publish their research? When something is secret it is secret.

reply to post by Phage


Lol, no of course she didnt build it. Think more along the lines of a computer system. You go to the store and buy a computer, out the box it has limited capabilities. You open it up tweak a few things here and there, and bam now your running at full potential. Whats to say HAARP is no different? When it was originally constructed, it was limited to what it could do. After a few tweaks, whose to know what it can do now.

As you said there is public info on what HAARP has done and can do. But how do we know there hasnt been a software/hardware update that allows for HARRP to do much more than we've been told? Hand fed public info is fine and dandy, but its just that hand fed. There telling you want THEY want you to know nothing more nothing less. Like I said earlier unless you built it and operate it, how are we to know what it really does?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Yes. I know HAARP can induce VLF radiation in the ionosphere. I said that it can. When ionospheric conditions are right it can produce very low levels of VLF and ELF radiation, perhaps a few hundred watts. Her use of the word "transmit" can be explained by the fact that she doesn't know what she's talking about.

Your argument is so flimsy it's laughable.

Tell me, what do you think about her statements about HAARP, television, the power grid, cell phones and "wind towers" being part of a mind control network? That the Russians were a "pretend enemy" during the cold war? That Chernobyl was a transmitter?
Perhaps you can find some evidence to back her claims up, that she knows what shes talking about.

edit on 5/22/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Why don't you produce evidence that you know what you're talking about? Because it doesn't look that way to me.

Moret's biography:

Leuren Moret was an Expert Witness at the International Criminal Tribunal For Afghanistan At Tokyo. She is an independent scientist and international expert on radiation and public health issues. She is on the organizing committee of the World Committee on Radiation Risk, an organization of independent radiation specialists, including members of the Radiation Committee in the EU parliament, the European Committee on Radiation Risk. She has been an environmental commissioner for the City of Berkeley. Ms. Moret earned her BS in geology at U.C. Davis in 1968 and her MA in Near Eastern studies from U.C. Berkeley in 1978. She has completed all but her dissertation for a PhD in the geosciences at U.C. Davis. She has traveled and conducted scientific research in 42 countries. She contributed to a scientific report on depleted uranium for the United Nations sub commission investigating the illegality of depleted uranium munitions. Marion Fulk, a former Manhattan Project scientist and retired insider at the Livermore Lab, who is an expert on radioactive fallout and rainout, has trained her on radiation issues.

Leuren Moret has conducted research concerning the impact on the health of the environment and global public health from atmospheric testing, nuclear power plants, and depleted uranium. She has helped collect and measure radiation in 6000 baby teeth from children living around nuclear power plants, and helped The State of Louisiana (USA) pass the first state depleted uranium bill for mandatory testing of soldiers.
Articles she wrote on DU were translated into Indian languages to increase awareness. Her article "Depleted Uranium: The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War" in the June 2004 WORLD AFFAIRS JOURNAL was translated at the request of the Kremlin for distribution throughout the Russian government. The LONE STAR ICONOCLAST, hometown newspaper of President Bush, interviewed her for a series of interviews, "What is depleted uranium?", which are now attached to US Congressman McDermott's 2005 depleted uranium bill HR 2410 in the US Congress. The newspaper did a second issue, March 1, 2006, titled "Have DU Will Travel". Her City of Berkeley 2003 resolution banning weapons in space was followed by a Space Preservation Treaty Resolution adopted by seven sister cities in British Columbia, Canada, contributing to Prime Minister Paul Martin's decision in February 2005 to abandon his secret agreement with President Bush to allow NMD in Canada.
Her research on divestment of pension funds from US weapons manufacturers was discussed on a Vancouver radio station in April 2005. The interview helped to make divestment, of $4.6 billion (in 251 US weapons manufacturers) in British Columbia (BC) pension funds, an issue for the May 2005 election platform in BC.
Leuren Moret is a Livermore nuclear weapons lab whistleblower, an Environmental Commissioner in the City of Berkeley, and testifies as a depleted uranium expert in the new documentary film BEYOND TREASON.

This war-fighter enhancement program will involve injecting young men and women with hormonal, neurological, and genetic concoctions, implanting microchips, and electrodes in their bodies to control their internal organs and brain functions, and plying them with drugs that deaden some of their normal human tendencies — the need for sleep, the fear of death, the reluctance to kill their fellow human beings.

But who are the real terrorists? Those who want to turn U.S. soldiers into mind-controlled, drugged-up mutants, to send off to mindless Imperial wars, portray themselves as patriots, noble leaders, and Christian.

I'm telling you, the Republican Party is ruining Christianity.

OH, she really does seem sound in the head. She a sensationalist.

Originally posted by drifter1109
This may be off subject but please bear with me. My question is to those who are insisting that HARRP is not capable of producing the technology that Moret speaks of. (Please correct me if I misunderstood that arguement.) So, based on my understanding, you are completely satisfied that TPTB have fully disclosed to the general public the full extent of what HARRP is intended for and the limits of its capabilities. Given the documented history of deception to the American people, I would have to conclude that for you to feel this strongly about what HARRP can and can not do you must be in the "loop" , working closely with those who are operating it or helped build it or something where you would be privy to more insider information than the rest of us. If you are only relying on information that is available to the general public, I give you this: There are many websites and much information out there that will support and legitimize either arguement. I would most definitly be prone to accept someone who has been in the "loop" and witnessed first hand the objectives of the players. Granted, much sounds far fetched but knowing that technology is advanceing at an incredible pace and TPTB have a dark agenda for world humanity, what this lady is saying should be taken seriously. Of course, as is their way, if they let this lady live they would work to make her look crazy,discredit her so people such as your self would argue her legitimacy thereby placing doubt in others minds. Not everyone has to doubt just enough that is stops whatever progess was being made to discover the truth. In my opinion, the truth is HARRPS capabilities are even more distruction than you could ever imagine.

Very well put - I could not have put it better myself!