Police Mace JPMorgan Chase Protesters

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by macman

 

Yes, working for the people cuts both ways.
If those protesters were on private property, and told to leave, and did not comply then what would you expect?

Yep because of private property rights we should continue to let the bankers steal our wealth, take our homes and mortgage our country.

People like you are the ones that will say "well the protesters were somewhere they shouldn't be" and give absolutely no thought to why they were there and the validity of their causes.

So I guess the protesters in the 13 colonies should of obeyed because they were property of King George right?

Or that is war totally ok to hose, mace, and beat civil rights protesters in the 1960's because the were "on private property" or "blocking the flow of traffic" right?

Go be a government shill elsewhere, because we won't stand for that BS here.

Deny Ignorance, macman

You make an argument that really is not formed in reality.
Are the banks crooks? Yes.
Do they still hold private property rights? Yes.
Just because you say they are corrupt, does not then in turn give yo or anyone to violate the law also.
But, if you or anyone chooses to do so, don't whine and cry when you get a response.

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

If I had done something illegal do you think the police would stay off my property because of my property rights?

If you did something illegal would the police have to wait until you left your property to arrest you? Of course not, they would bust in your door and drag you out. We (common people) cannot get away with even miniscule crimes yet the bankers of J.P. Morgan Chase get away with dozens everyday, and the regulators and police and courts do nothing. As the constitution says, the power and responsibility falls to us. Corporations are not people, despite the corrupt citizens united verdict. When the U.S. is broken into "free speech zones I bet people like you will be saying "well, they were protesting outside of a free-speech zone so it was right for them to be arrested". As the declaration of Independence makes clear: the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (as long as it does not interfere with anyone elses) is paramount. I would say that a bank robo-signing away peoples houses is violating all three of those tenants, more so than a group of people standing on a corporate park grass.

And that my friend is why property rights fall into the background in this particular case. Clear?

On to your next point about me being a "poser anonymous member":

While you sit in a room reading about the dismantling of our constitution and our rights, you denigrate me for promoting a RALLY TO DEFEND OUR RIGHTS? I will be out there, probably being shoved around by unruly riot police thugs as you sit here reading about it that night. Do not dare admonish me for doing what you most likely will not have the courage to do until it is too late. I know what it is I fight for, and I know why, don't think that I am blindly following anyone, the sheeple or anonymous for that matter.

edit on 21-5-2011 by Skerrako because: (no reason given)

Your wrong does not make their wrong worse, or justify your wrong.

Originally posted by macman
then it was over the top and the cop should be fired

But I bet you 5 quid they won't be, maybe a bit of paid suspension so they can chill and de-stress while the investigation to prove their lack of culpability is organised.

reply to post by Thepreye


It is nice to armchair quarterback the whole thing, but until some form of proof is shown, it is the word of protesters against a police officer.

I stand by my statement as before.

Originally posted by macman

I stand by my statement as before.

Cool, it's a free country, well mine is, we'll agree to differ then.

reply to post by macman


macman are you a member of law enforcement? It just seems your very keen to defend the behavior of macing elderly people. I understand your concern about private property, but if you are going to protest a private institution, you may have to go on their property to get your protest noticed.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by macman

 

macman are you a member of law enforcement? It just seems your very keen to defend the behavior of macing elderly people. I understand your concern about private property, but if you are going to protest a private institution, you may have to go on their property to get your protest noticed.

I was an LEO. No longer.
Just to get noticed? Are you kidding me? So violate one law to show that others are violating another, and then don't want the repercussions of your actions?
If your going to place yourself in the position of becoming a Martyr, then don't cry foul when you receive the punishment.

I see now...its ok to break the law to "get noticed" or to "get your point across"...as long as you can justify it to yourself,then its ok to break the law AS YOU SEE FIT....that makes ALL laws subjective,yes?...only obey the ones you believe in?...now i see..thanks for clearing that one up...I dont believe in the law that says I cant rob a bank...if I want that money it mine so I can get it and the cos cant enforce it since I dont believe in it....thanks man...

Originally posted by Skerrako
Protest, June 14th 2011 at the Federal reserve building in NYC. Be there.

We do not forgive
We do not forget.
Expect us.

Perhaps this time get some more photos/videos. That would be nice.

reply to post by macman

You make an argument that really is not formed in reality.
Are the banks crooks? Yes.
Do they still hold private property rights? Yes.
Just because you say they are corrupt, does not then in turn give yo or anyone to violate the law also.
But, if you or anyone chooses to do so, don't whine and cry when you get a response.

Actually, like I stated before, it does. If you or I do something illegal, the police violate our property rights and come into our houses to arrest us correct?

Here is how the hierarchy of Liberty and rights work:

1. You own what is in your mind, no one can tell you how to feel or what to think

2. You own your own body, and no one should restrict what you put into it or how you treat yourself.

3. You own your actions, meaning you can do whatever you would like as long as it does not interfere with anyone elses ability to exercise their rights.

4. You own your own property, as an extension of yourself.

The fourth tenant can (and should) be violated when that party is liable for restricting any of the previous three rights, in the case of JPM Chase, it is the third.

Their illegal actions have brought unnecessary hardships band alienated the rights of millions of people and thousands of families. They "own their actions" holding them accountable. Since the courts, police and regulators have not, the power falls to the people.

Your wrong does not make their wrong worse, or justify your wrong.

Actually, when my "perceived wrong" would help end tyranny it IS justified.

Example: In NAZI Germany it was wrong to house a Jew. But this was merely a "perceived wrong" because in reality it was much more wrong to turn them in to be raped/tortured/killed in a concentration camp. If we were having this argument back then would you say my wrong is not justified?

You need to realize (and quickly) that the powerful people in the world break the laws and our rights whenever it suits them, and then turn around hide behind the laws they just broke. If they were kind and decent people wo could resolve these problems with no one's rights being infringed. But since they are not, at times to uninformed people it will seem as if we are stooping to their level, but are clearly not because of WHAT we are fighting for

This is a reason young people have led the revolutions around the globe and will lead it here as well. we are less entrapted in this system and can see more clearly the dire situation and bleak outlook of our future

reply to post by Skerrako


Ok, I guess.
You want to argue theory, go ahead.
When you violate a law, and the police are there, don't cry about it when they arrest, pepper spray or taze you.

I got no problem if you want to be a Martyr. Don't cry about it afterwards, as you know what to expect.

reply to post by Skerrako


A few thousand people protesting the FED, WTO, CFR, Bilderburger or any other important and semi-covert meeting is a lost cause. Thousands used to protest against globalisation but the sold-out fourth estate made them look like a bunch of raving lunatics.

This war must be won by truth and we need a free internet to do that. By "free internet" I mean left-wing and independent journalism. Keep at it my friend!

reply to post by macman

Ok, I guess.
You want to argue theory, go ahead.
When you violate a law, and the police are there, don't cry about it when they arrest, pepper spray or taze you.

I got no problem if you want to be a Martyr. Don't cry about it afterwards, as you know what to expect.

I don't want to argue my friend, I want you to see that I am right.

In a Corporacracy or fascist state the term "legal" is like a belt that gets tightened more and more. Just because something is legal does NOT make it right based on that alone. In the coming years of our growing corporacracy many inhumane and morally wrong laws will be passed, and the police will use that legality to carry out many abuses. It has happened many times before and has already started here.

You say "don't cry about it afterwards" as if you want to portray me as some kind of baby. You seem to miss the point that I should not have to be worried about being beaten in maced while petitioning the government for a redress of grievances in a free society. I see that you are a good little docile sheep, already brainwashed into believe peaceful protests should be handled with tazers and mace, instead of a real conversation on why we are there and what our government can do to help reach a solution.

Or, baaa baaa in your language

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I'll do both! I like to do some hands-on work every so often

I see it now....You SHOULD protest and break laws,even going onto private property and rfusing to leave said property when told to do so,but you DO get to whine and bleat when the law is enforced,even to the point you are maced,tazed and arrested?...Now you not only get to break the law,you get to complain when that law is enforced....I missed that before....now i understand

reply to post by Skerrako


We are vying for the same side. I understand your side and point.
It's not personal, in reference to crying, it is used in a generality.

I just don't agree with 2 wrongs equaling a right.

Some know how to protest (TEA Party). Some don't (smelly hippy relics from the 60's).

How come TEA Party Protesters are never maced at their protests?

Originally posted by Carseller4
Some know how to protest (TEA Party). Some don't (smelly hippy relics from the 60's).

How come TEA Party Protesters are never maced at their protests?

Its because there are only like, 50 people at each event.


Funny how things work.

Originally posted by Carseller4
Some know how to protest (TEA Party). Some don't (smelly hippy relics from the 60's).

How come TEA Party Protesters are never maced at their protests?

Are you one of those ron paul fanatics who wants to dump the fed and introduce competing private currencies?

Or maybe a sarah palin fan? No offense or anythng, she is definitely hot, but come on do you really think she is presidential material?

The right has hijacked america since senator mccarthy and his hate for socialism and communism. That was back in the 50s and 60s, you would expect people to be smarter by now.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Carseller4
Some know how to protest (TEA Party). Some don't (smelly hippy relics from the 60's).

How come TEA Party Protesters are never maced at their protests?

Are you one of those ron paul fanatics who wants to dump the fed and introduce competing private currencies?

Or maybe a sarah palin fan? No offense or anythng, she is definitely hot, but come on do you really think she is presidential material?

The right has hijacked america since senator mccarthy and his hate for socialism and communism. That was back in the 50s and 60s, you would expect people to be smarter by now.

Ron Paul is older and kookier than McCain. He is a joke.