'Israel pushing Obama into war with Iran'

reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN


Why would Israel have to push a war that has been planned long before Israel existed. In Albert Pikes book written in the late 1800's stated that there had to be a WWIII in the Middle East. This was written before there had been a WWI and WWII . There is also no surprise that they would think this in Islam since most of the belief systems and books have the same roots with Christianity and the Jews. Add the New World Order creeps with their belief system that the Book of Revelation was stolen from the Old Egyptian texts that have to be fulfilled What a mix. There is no doubt in my mind that there is going to be some type of major war in the region. Unfortunately there are going to be a lot of dumbed down and duped people going to pay the ultimate price.

reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN


Respectfully, the source is PressTV, which is the mouthpiece of the Iranian Government. They have a tendancy to leave out key information, like facts.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN

 

Respectfully, the source is PressTV, which is the mouthpiece of the Iranian Government. They have a tendancy to leave out key information, like facts.

edit on 20-5-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Unfortunately, there seems to be so much US/Israel bashing here that facts don't matter to some people.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN

 

Distorted? You think we are roses and kittens here?

You should read about how we infiltrated Texas, started a revolution and then annexed it. That was before we later outright invaded Mexico. 100 hundred years before Israel, US Marines occupied Mexico City. We would have taken the whole country, but the US Congress only wanted the northern half.

We have always had a Manifest Destiny of empire. When the Founding Fathers modeled us on the Roman Republic, they knew, especially Franklin and Jefferson, exactly what they were doing. There are reasons we have fasces all over our great Republic, reasons why a Greco Roman goddess of war, wisdom, and democracy stands atop the US Capitol and many other places.

Only a blind man would not see it.

edit on 20/5/11 by MikeboydUS because: have

I agree with most of what you say, but for one minor issue that is critical to a Texan: we were not annexed. We joined the Union of our own free will via treat.

And yes, i realize that it is called the Treaty of Annexation from 1844...but that is a name describing the effect of the treaty. I also realize that the whole thing is mere semantics, as the US DoD would descend on Texas quicker than a fat kid on a Twinkie if we tried to exercise our right to nullify the treaty. But you have to let us Texans play this game of semantics for the sake of our Texas sized ego.

reply to post by curious7



I would challenge anyone to uncover the true facts of the whole Israeli issue. We have what is reported, but that is slanted to VERY pro Israel in the West. In the East it is more slanted anti-Israel. There is not much reporting from the middle.

A mentor of mine once told me, "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure." I keep this in mind every time i see the MSM propaganda machine at work.

It is why i am a staunch advocate of noninterventionism.

reply to post by Darth_Prime


No. Its only Israel. It can only be Israel. Its the Jews and Zionists. It can only be the Jews and Zionists..

The world doesnt make sense without blaming it on the Jews. Whatever happens, whatever evil exists, it is the fault, and creation of Zionists

What is a Zionist? I dont know. I have yet to have anyone explain this to me without naming individuals or events.. But their philosophy? Or why a few thousand Jews would control millions of gentiles...nope. Their thinking doesnt go that far. They are in other words brain dead.

And if their philosphy has nothing to do with Jewish interests, isnt it unbelievably immoral to attach a Jewish idea like "zion", which really means and has always meant the yearning for the Jewish people to return to ther holy land; to Jerusalem, as it says at the end of the passover hagadah "next year in Jerusalem"....something thats been said for over 2000 years...

Zionism is a ruse to generate hatred for Jews, but behind a different name. They have removed the old anti-Jew connotations of the past with new labels and ideas; but it is more or less attached to JEWS, and since the majority of Jews despite this pathetically idiotic idea of "most Jews are against a Jewish state" - which is utter nonsense - are infact Zionists, anti-zionist rhetoric in reality threatens the wellbeing of Jews...

But since the majority of these people are stupid, emotionally feeble, ill educated, lacking understanding of politics, history, psychology, religion... They wont take this seriously....

reply to post by MikeboydUS


*** Note you Only said 100Billion in Assets Note Again you said **** ONLY 100 BILLION*****

The wouldn't doubt the Rothschilds are still a dominate force and have a hand to play in the CFR Bilderbergers ETC.

Israel is probably angry about Obama Calling for them to go to the pre 1967 borders.

I had a thread thrown into Skunk works because i predicted Israel would Orchestrate a second 911 type attack on the U.S

reply to post by TheUniverse


Maybe because the whole idea initself is stupid...

Why would Israel be behind 9/11? What would they have to gain by it? Theyre already dealing with their own radical Islam terrorism. What benefit is there in causing America to respond as they did? Did it bring Peace to Israel? No. Actually the opposite. The oslo "war" aka the 2nd intafada. Nothing good came of Americas entrance into the middleast for Israel...So why......please explain yourself and please try to be honest...theres nothing wrong with admitting we hold certain ideas because of deeply felt prejudices...would Israel be behind 9/11?

Why not America? Why not Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist netwrok? To attribute eveything to Israel is utterly insane. There does exist a thing as "radical Islam" which initself is simply traditional, expansionist Islam which aims at taking over the whole world... To ignore this, or even more absurdly, to think Israel or 'zionists' is behind Islam, or 'radical islam', when the basis for such a theology is found in traditional Islamic theology/jurisprudence, is just so audaciously and comically out there,,,/How can you hld to suh beliefs? There is absolutely no honesty or self criticism.. Either plain stupidity, and an inability to formulate sensible and logical ideas, or a prejudice and fear of zionists that you are unwilling to look objectively at, or let go of...... You probably think every attempt to convince you otherwise is a 'tactic of zionists'...which is schizophrenic in its delusions.... You dont need to hold such skepticism. It be applied against anyone. Literally any human being, or group. To single out 'zionists' is nothing but bigotry.

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN

 

Hijacked?

So did Israel hijack the US when it invaded Mexico in 1848 and annexed half of it?
Was it hijacked when it plowed through the Confederacy?
Was it hijacked when it wiped out or ethnically cleansed native tribes from the Atlantic to the Pacific?
Was it hijacked when it annexed Hawaii?
Was it hijacked when it fought and defeated the Spanish Empire in 1899, annexing the Phillipines and Cuba?

We have never been hijacked. We have fought for empire from day one. Both Franklin and Jefferson said the US would become a great empire.

By the time Israel was born in 1948, we had already become a global empire mightier than any in human history.
1945 was the dawn of Pax Americana.

That's distorted history, don't you recognize that.

History doesn't lie, my friend. You should read up on The Butcher of La Cabaña. There's some history for you.

Israel won't attack Iran. They have no reason to right now. But I'm sure the anti-Israel people would love for them to.

/TOA

reply to post by dontreally



I didn't say i ignored and didn't believe radical Islam. Just the evidence points to MOSSAD having a hand in 911. For obvious reasons of U.S protecting them from the Horde of Muslims surrounding them in the M.E

reply to post by TheUniverse


That still doesnt make sense.

You said "israel did 9/11" and now you said Israel had a "hand" in 9/11.... Let me ask you a question. If my brothr in law killed my wife, and i had knowledge of it, who would the legal system hold at fault? Who would be more culpable? The actual killer, or the one who was knowledgeable of what was to happen - to a very close loved one at that - and did nothing. Infact, enoucraged it. And after it happened, HID the truth......

This is essentially what youre saying. Israel "did 9/11", even though according to this logic, america must of known, since they have concealed it, and used it as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq... So wouldnt that more properly be AMERICA did 9/11, with the assistance of a foreign intelligence agency like Mossad?

Do you see the danger in your saying flat out "Israel did 9/11"?

And i still dont agree with this. Is it possible Israel helped? Why not. The whol intelligence organiations whether Chinese, Russian, German, British or American are obscenely corrupt. Its their modus operandi. This is what they do. Why pinpoint Israel? Because there "happens" to be footage - again, so amazing that only Israel manages to incriminate itself - of them doing it?...

My main issue with this thought is that it completely ignores, and understates the influence of radical Islam. There was no need for Israel to faciliitate this attack because there are plenty of Muslims who hate America - the great satan - and who despise its corrupting culture - and not its 'wealth or power' but its immoral pleasure seeking superficiality which disagrees with Islam - infecting the Muslim world. Already Islam believes and indeed it is one of the last saying of Muhommad in the Quran (which according to Islamic exegesis, the later sayings of the prohpet which contradict earlier sayings annul the earlier sayings) that Islam is destined to conquer the whole world. And this is STILL The goal of the Umma - the muslim community. There can be no higher goal in their eyes.. Does this mean ALL Muslims think this way? Of course not. I kno muslims who believe that Islam is meant for them, while christianity or Judaism is meant for others. As long as people live righteously, than thats all that matters. But do ALL Muslims, or even a majority think this way? No .Of course not. This is a typically western Muslim attitude. The majority attitude in Muslim countries is the opposite; Islam is destined and is due to take what is rightfully theirs in their eyes.

So.. Given this background, radical Islam needs no help in carrying out terrorist attacks. Now, since Norad stood down, and since an attack on american soil is impossible without American foreknowledge and acquiscence, America was clearly involved. Which means there must have been some collusion between Al Qaida, American inelligence, and maybe Mossad since it could have helped in some capacity. Who knows.... All i know is that this statement "Israel did 9/11" is untenable.

I'll continue posting the video I've been posting in various threads for the last few years. It provides a great insight in the dominance AIPAC has on the US government, actually the Israel lobby dictates US foreign policy.

Introduction to documentary:

For many years now the American foreign policy has been characterized by the strong tie between the United States and Israel. Does the United States in fact keep Israel on its feet? And how long will it continue to do so? In March 2006 the American political scientists John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Steve Walt (Harvard) published the controversial article 'The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy'. In it they state that it is not, or no longer, expedient for the US to support and protect present-day Israel. The documentary sheds light on both parties involved in the discussion: those who wish to maintain the strong tie between the US and Israel, and those who were critical of it and not infrequently became 'victims' of the lobby. The question arises to what extend the pro-Israel lobby ultimately determines the military and political importance of Israel itself. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (Colin Powell's former chief-of-staff) explains how the lobby's influence affects the decision-making structure in the White House.

reply to post by Mdv2


Again that statement makes no sense whatsoever.

This is all lies... Clearly, because it makes not a shred of sense. But because big names are publishing these ideas you simply froth at the mouth and say "see, it is Israel!"....

Think about it. What would the Israel lobby have to do with an idea as enormous as "foreign policy".... So Israel dictates Americas relations with China, Russia, India, Europe? Thats ABSURD! \It is so downright insane and irrational it frightens me that anyone would just submit to that notion without any critical thought at all. How can you agree with this idea when the Israel lobby has nothing to do with US foreign relations with a country like China? How could it even be? It doesnt make sense. Theres also a mexican, chinese, and a plethora of other lobbies... But only the *Jewish* Israel lobby controls foreign policy? In ther words saying Israel controls America...or *Jews* control America?

During Nazi Germany there were many respected intellectuals who published similar reports about Eastern Europe Jews and Russian Jews... The people listened and believed because of where these reports were coming from... Why is this any different? Because "Israel" is being said? Even though Israel is the JEWISH state? And therefore the "Israel lobby" is really just code for saying *Jewish* Lobby? This is the same thing, just said in a different way that has been said since th publication of the soviet manufactured protocalls of the elders of zion; that Jews control the world.... And indeed, saying Israel controls American foreign policy is just another way of saying that. It sounds beaurocratic and thats exactly its charm; it sounds professional. One who agrees with it is agreeing it an academic opinion, and of course academics wouldnt publish lies.. .Nooooo.. They only tell the truth. and politics, doesnt mean 'the art of achieving ones interests".. ....It amazes me the naivete of the peopl who post here. You want truth? Yet you grovel before theories you like without analyzing them critically.

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN
you should watch the real history of America on youtube.

Ahahahahahahahahaha

reply to post by dontreally


Still Probably Israel had a hand in 911 look up 5 dancing Israelis (Mossad) Later revealed they were there to observe the ***EVENT**** What EVENT? Its obvious when they admitted that they knew what was going to happen.

And 3000 innocents died that day because of U.S shadow government and or Cheney and Bush Rumsfield Rice. Chertoff Etc. And Israel probably had a hand in it too look up 5 dancing Israelis. They were going to bomb the bridge from New York to New Jersey too

Originally posted by TheUniverse
reply to post by dontreally

 

Still Probably Israel had a hand in 911 look up 5 dancing Israelis (Mossad) Later revealed they were there to observe the ***EVENT**** What EVENT? Its obvious when they admitted that they knew what was going to happen.

And 3000 innocents died that day because of U.S shadow government and or Cheney and Bush Rumsfield Rice. Chertoff Etc. And Israel probably had a hand in it too look up 5 dancing Israelis. They were going to bomb the bridge from New York to New Jersey too

LOL

I did what you said and looked up the 5 dancing Israelis, this is what I found:

Dancing Israelis..

Debunked!

Now for the REAL truth about 'why' the US will invade Iran...

NEW YORK: Two defectors from Iran's intelligence service have testified that Iranian officials knew in advance about the attacks of September 11, 2001, says a US court filing that seeks damages for Iran's ''direct support for, and sponsorship of, the most deadly act of terrorism in American history''. One of the defectors also claimed that Iran was involved in designing the attacks, the filing said. The defectors' identities and testimony were not revealed in the filing but were being submitted to a judge under seal, said lawyers who brought the original suit against Iran on behalf of families of dozens of September 11 victims. The suit says Iran and Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group with close ties to Tehran, helped al-Qaeda with planning the attacks and with the hijackers' training and travel. After the attacks, the suit says, Iran and Hezbollah helped al-Qaeda operatives and their families to escape, in some cases providing them with a safe haven in Iran

Oh look, absolutely no mention of Israel......

ATS is literally brimming with threads that bash the Israelis and 99% of said 'bashers' provide little or no facts supporting their claims or indeed put forward statements like my 'friend' above that have been proven to be untrue. Worse than that though, 99% of that 99% know very little about the history of Jewish people, Palestinians, Zionism etc etc so they just bash for the sake of hatred and it really makes me sad.

My advice is take a damn good look at your own peoples / countries history. I guarentee that you will find events in your own histories where your people have committed atrocities against others in the name of state, religion or greed and many may well be a heck of a lot worse than the things that Israel have been 'alleged' (not proven) to have done.

My point being, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Full article here..

reply to post by AtlantisX99


whatreallyhappened.com...

whatreallyhappened.wikia.com...

Here is them admitting they were there to observe the "EVENT"
MOSSAD Agents Or Israelis Nationals Admit they were there to "DOCUMENT THE EVENT"

MORE PROOF of 5 DANCING ISRAELIS


SURVIVOR VETERAN HONORABLE MAN: SURVIROR OF ISRAELIS ATTACK ON USS LIBERTY SPEAKS OUT ABOUT ISRAELI MOSSAD AND 911 INSIDE JOB. ALAN SABROSKY US MILITARY WAR COLLEGE

for people who say Israel will not go to war with Iran, they already did with stuxnet. US is also at war with Iran through CIA revolutions and protests which always fail. They are also in a political struggles with sanctions, media pressure to release captured "hikers" (spies), and their constant framing of Ahmadenijad as a crazy ego-tistical maniac which is not true. The only thing they don't do is a military invasion, and the obvious reason is because that too would fail and the world would no longer be able to deny Iran's superiority in the same way they deny the entire list of things I just mentioned.

I am no expert on war but I do not want to see this happen. If it does and Israel and America get their hands on Iran it would be all good for the contractors and big business but would cost untold lives on both sides. The losses will be 99% civilians who will pay for this with their blood while the leaders will watch it from afar on their HD TVs.

If it goes the other way and Israel begins to suffer heavy losses then they will deffo let off a nuke in the middle east. They have so many of them they would press the nuke buttons. Israel knows this, the Americans know this and so does the rest of the middle east. All out war with Iran is highly dangerous.