The tweet that broke the DSK story - How did Raphael Pinet know so soon?

I wonder if the tweet will be used in court. I would lend more credence to electronic information, such as hotel surveillance footage, than DNA evidence. DNA can prove an encounter took place but can a consensual encounter be ruled out beyond reasonable doubt?

Well being a salty misanthrope, I reckon something could very well be off about the whole recounting by
Witnesses and the media. It is very possible that such a powerful man was set up for one reason or another,
frankly I expect some level of bull from foot deep to swimmin pool.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

We are reqired to notify the Embassy if the person we arreest is not a US citizen. This guy, in addition to being French, works for the United Nations, which brings in another level of notification that one of their employees is arrested.

Diplomatic protocol requires a prompt notification.

So your saying he found out via diplomatic channels, and then just made up a story about a friend at the hotel that doesnt even add up? Why wouldn't he have just said he learned from diplomatic channels? Or that the friend was at the airport (where the arrest was actually made)?

Instead, he's telling a story that makes no sense, and now is claiming the wording of his tweet is different, despite the tweet still being public?

Well, the scrub of the actual tweet continues. In this AP story released just a few hours ago, they are claiming the wording of the tweet is different than it originally appeared.

Yesterday, on his blog, Pinet claimed the wording of the tweet was "A pal in the United States just let me know that DSK was arrested by police in New York an hour ago," and now the AP is repeating this as fact:




Even though the actual wording of the tweet was: "A buddy in the United States told me that police arrested #DSK in a NYC hotel an hour ago."

www.google.com...

I think this continues to point to a cover-up, and that he was leaked insider info that he passed on incorrectly.

ETA: also, that last line about "and who likely mistook the happenings there hours earlier for the actual arrest." makes no sense. If DSK wasn't AT the hotel, how could this 'friend' (or 'friend of a friend' as he now claims) think he had been arrested at the Hotel?

We are watching a coup. My thoughts are with the discarded victim however we must focus on the broader landscape too.

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Weber withdraws from ECB in Feb 2011 was this an early indication of things to come?

Gordon Brown hopes dashed The nation is backing the french candidate over an Englishman?


One theory: The CIA has control of the US government. What would be the next logical step in controlling the global stage?

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Originally posted by zroth
The nation is backing the french candidate over an Englishman?

Indeed. Europe knows they ALL have to coalesce behind one candidate, or it might go to a different region. The French Woman has the most support. Other more marginalized countries have been pulling for their own candidates, but havent been able to agree, so they will lose out.

Regardless, those aspects of the case are discussed here www.abovetopsecret.com... and here www.abovetopsecret.com...

What I am presenting in this thread is a specific aspect of the layers of contradictory info in this case so far, namely the 'tweet' from Raphael Pinet just MINUTES after the arrest from a source within the Hotel, the contents of which are being changed by the US media and Pinet himself as we speak.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


In reference to the revision attempt i refer to here^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IT would appear the blogosphere is repeating that revisionist verson of Pinet's tweet the AP originally posted.

just google "A pal in the United States just let me know that DSK was arrested by police in New York an hour ago" and see how many news sources are now claiming that was the wording of the tweet.



Again, Pinet's ACTUAL tweet was: "A buddy in the United States told me that police arrested #DSK in a NYC hotel an hour ago." (translated from French)

Why are they repeating the tweet inaccurately?

Pinet's right-wing Pro Sarcozy webste:

www.o-m-g.fr...

quoted from web:

Jonathan Pinet is know to be very close to the UMP, he met it's president on several occasions, has launched a web site intended to expose the lies of the left wing (www.o-m-g.fr...) and claims to be responsible for the anti PS (left wing party) campaign on the web.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
I posted this information in the IMF DSK thread, but I thought it deserved it's own thread.

Good idea. Reaching's original thread has been attacked by unpleasant trolls.

Originally posted by Manouche
I will add a few corrections to the OP. The current story is very different from what was first reported as per usual, inaccuracies are not OP's fault.
Careful, it's very much politically charged. Knives are out, French domestic politics stink too.

The young man is named Jonathan Pinet. He is a nobody, a young militant for UMP, Sarkozy's party.

His blog (Tweeter link on the left)

According to his blog, at 16.57 pm EDT (22.57 pm, french time), he receives a message from a friend in the USA via facebook chat saying that DSK was arrested in a hotel (which is wrong, he was arrested at the airport). His friend knows it from a friend who works at the hotel.
At 16.59 pm EDT, he tweets the infamous tweet.
DSK was arrested at JFK airport by 16.45 pm EDT.

So he knows a friend of a friend who happens to work at the New York Sofitel. Not that far-fetched. Sofitel is owned by Accor, a French company. I guess that's why DSK was staying at this hotel, he must have an Accor VIP card or something. A business or social relation is a possibility. If we follow this line of thinking, the friend is probably not a low employee but a manager who was kept informed of the events in progress. Imagine the mess amongst the managers, it's the biggest crisis they will ever have.
This begs the question, did the friend of a friend know DSK will be staying at the hotel and did he tell someone ?
This friend should be questionned by detectives but will they follow this lead ?

But this is nothing. This is far from being the juicy part

Pinet, a young UMP militant has a friend of a friend who works at the Sofitel hotel. Coincidence !

At 17.17 pm EDT, Arnaud Dassier re-tweets 'Apparently, DSK in NYC, it's a big big deal'.
Dassier was following Pinet's tweet for a few days. Pinet denies they know each other personally.

Arnaud Dassier was Sarkozy's webcampaign manager in 2007. He is a co-founder of the news site Atlantico.fr.
He is in the middle of a second controversy in a month. Newspaper Le Parisien published a picture without caption late april of DSK standing near a very expensive Porsche car (see the pic here).
The picture is from AFP, taken with a telephoto lens during a private trip in Paris, the author is anonymous.
Atlantico is accused of malicious intent by tweeting it with nasty comments, creating an internet buzz and making believe it was DSK's car. In the trash can is where you will find the political debate.

In the space of a few weeks, Dassier is linked to two hurtful events to DSK's reputation, that's why he is accused of being part of a possible plot. Realistically, he is a light-weight, a pen pusher. But there really are attempts at smearing DSK lately, possibly even coordinated.
In April, DSK hinted at French journalists in off comments that he was expecting low blows naming three weaknesses including women. Was he tipped ? Or warned ?

I think it's pertinent that Sofitel is French owned and they make a point to hire staff who can speak French. (Of course, DSK is fluent in English.)

I wondered how this incident would be set up. If the report is true that DSK stayed at the Sofitel at least six times in the last 16 months, that would give the plotters plenty of time to scope out the staff -- to find the weakest link -- the person most easily "persuaded" to make the accusation.

A NYC Sofitel staff member was communicating with Pinet (a member of Sarkozy's party) about DSK's arrest -- that fact alone is very interesting. Even without getting into the wording of the tweet.

Pinet may be a "nobody" but isn't that who they recruit to do the dirty work? He's expendable.

Originally posted by AuranVector


A NYC Sofitel staff member was communicating with Pinet (a member of Sarkozy's party) about DSK's arrest -- that fact alone is very interesting. Even without getting into the wording of the tweet.

Pinet may be a "nobody" but isn't that who they recruit to do the dirty work? He's expendable.

That's a good point. Reading up on him, he reminds me a bit of a French version of James O"keefe (but educated).

The fact that his revised version of the tweet that removes the mention of the hotel is being repeated ALL over the US media is now is a big red flag.

All right but then why the tweet, it was a dangerous move. Only useful if the story was buried, DSK released and the MSM silent, it could have become viral then from the tweet but that sounds a little far-fetched.

His tweet was somewhat followed. lemonde.fr has an article about the tweet and a picture of another interesting one from an anti-UMP account, jeunespopkemon, underlining with mockery a screenshot of the conversation has been taken. That's before the news broke in the New York Post's website. jeunespopkemon probably sniffed the start of a new smear campaign, he seems dedicated to counter UMP propaganda/misinformation/influence so Pinet if followed was apparently identified as a young and active militant not too shy of using dirty tactics and noticed by a professional public opinion manufacturer like Dassier.

That still makes him of no significance, at best he was used and it still is very far-fetched. I think what it is important is to discover who is the Sofitel 'Deep Throat', easier to go from there but we will probably never know.

Originally posted by Manouche
All right but then why the tweet, it was a dangerous move. Only useful if the story was buried, DSK released and the MSM silent, it could have become viral then from the tweet but that sounds a little far-fetched.

His tweet was somewhat followed. lemonde.fr has an article about the tweet and a picture of another interesting one from an anti-UMP account, jeunespopkemon, underlining with mockery a screenshot of the conversation has been taken. That's before the news broke in the New York Post's website. jeunespopkemon probably sniffed the start of a new smear campaign, he seems dedicated to counter UMP propaganda/misinformation/influence so Pinet if followed was apparently identified as a young and active militant not too shy of using dirty tactics and noticed by a professional public opinion manufacturer like Dassier.

That still makes him of no significance, at best he was used and it still is very far-fetched. I think what it is important is to discover who is the Sofitel 'Deep Throat', easier to go from there but we will probably never know.

You may be right about his significance or lack there-of. My theory is he was 'leaked' the info in some way to get it out there in the press that much quicker, more than he's the mastermind. I suspect it was fed to him because he got the location wrong, and his timing doesnt match with his claims of a source. His story about a 'friend' (which he quickly changed to 'friend of friend') made no sense. Did someone feed him the wrong data? Was the arrest supposed to have happened at the Hotel?

That opens a whole different can of worms because it implies (if the arrest was expected to be at the Sofitel Hotel) that perhaps someone tipped off DSK, which perhaps explains even his defense saying he may appear 'hurried' in video footage.

It could also point to a miscommunicated mistake, but his story just doesnt make sense to me. He screwed up, which is why they are trying to scrub the tweet.

The fact the US Media is flooding the internet with Raphael Pinet's 'new version' of the tweet is an interesting development, imo. (as I show few pages up). The US media is framing the article that mentions the 'revised' tweet as anyone who questions the larger motives involved in this arrest and smear campaign as 'cooky conspiracy wackos', and then shows the FAR more benign, inaccurate revised tweet as an example of 'making something from nothing'.

When , of course, the actual tweet takes on a whole different context because of the mention of the Hotel as the location of the arrest and the timing being just minutes after the arrest.

The fact the tweet has been revised at all is a red flag in my eyes. I watched the search engines go from mentioning the CORRECT tweet yesterday to mentioning the FAKE tweet today, all because of one AP article re-posted on every major news site. Thats about as close to just removing the tweet they can get without tampering with twitter.

I doubt we'll get the identity of the source. My interest is in why this tweet is being buried so intentionally.

I hear you but Pinet could use the fact that he wrote 'in a hotel' and claim he was only forwarding an information he was given and knew nothing else about, proof is that it was partly inaccurate, it would work as a defence.

I am only wondering if we are not deviating from something more important. An individual, working at the Sofitel, was happy to inform friends of DSK's arrest. He probably knew they would be very interested and pleased. DSK is a regular guest of the hotel, does this employee regularly pass info on DSK when he is staying there ? He knew Pinet's friend would love to hear about the arrest and he rushed to tell him. Maybe it's nothing, maybe only vanity but since this employee was on the scene, he is a very important character, more important than Pinet.

The media distorting a story so that it fits a point of view isn't unusual and if it discredits and belittles opposite points of view, good, two aims achieved. Throwing in the word conspiracist in quotation marks seems mandatory in the guide book. It's so common, it's not even really remarkable.

Originally posted by Manouche
I hear you but Pinet could use the fact that he wrote 'in a hotel' and claim he was only forwarding an information he was given and knew nothing else about, proof is that it was partly inaccurate, it would work as a defence.

Indeed. And it wold be a reasonable explanation and I'd probably more or less leave it at that. A loose end. But the new, revised tweet that is now flooding the web that leaves out the word hotelis an interesting development.

No?

Gosh, I should have titled this thread "Why Obama is a three toed sloth from mars' and circled pictures of sloths as 'evidence'.

I guess most ATSrs have no interest in what appears to be an actual conspiracy.