North Korea deploy new missiles

V. scary given their willingness to sell to anybody for hard currency especially the SLBM version next we will have Iran equipping itself with quiet diesel-electric SSB!!!


From Jane's Website


Emerging reports indicate that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea - DPRK) is developing-- and is in the process of deploying--at least two new ballistic missile systems.

The first is a land-based road-mobile medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM)/intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) with an estimated range of 2,500-4,000km. The second is a companion submarine or ship-mounted ballistic missile system with a range of at least 2,500km. Both systems appear to be based on the decommissioned Soviet R-27 (NATO: SS-N-6) submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).

The R-27 is a single-stage, liquid-propellant SLBM that became operational in the Soviet Navy during 1968. It weighs 14,200kg and is 9.65m in length, with a diameter of 1.5m and a range of 2,500km. The original version carried a single nuclear re-entry vehicle (RV), while the later R-27U carried three RVs, each with a 200kT payload.

It is believed that the R-27 technology originated with personnel from the VP Makeyev Design Bureau in Miass, Chelyabinsk. A group of 20 missile specialists from the bureau was detained in December 1992 as they were attempting to depart for the DPRK.

What made this incident so significant was that this design bureau specialised in the design of Soviet SLBMs and had developed the R-27. Publicly, the specialists only stated that they had been recruited to assist the DPRK in developing a space launch vehicle, codenamed Zyb. It is unclear whether the initial technology acquisitions were government sanctioned. However, the detained missile specialists had reportedly received approval for their travel to the DPRK from the Ministry of General Machine Building and the Ministry of Security of the Russian Federation. Reports indicate that other groups of missile specialists successfully travelled to the DPRK.

The R-27 was an excellent choice upon which the DPRK could build a new system. The liquid-fuelled missile features 40-year-old technology and is well within the level of skill and industrialisation of the DPRK. More significantly, the R-27 engine was designed by the Isayev Design Bureau, which had also developed the 9D21 engine. This was being produced by the DPRK for its Hwasong 5/6 (Scud B/C) and, in a modified form, for the No-dong. The R-27 also represents a proven system that the DPRK would be able to develop and deploy without having to conduct a significant test and evaluation programme.

Wow N. Korea and Iran may begin WWIII in my opinion. And North Korea is most likely developing this intermediate rage Ballistic missiles incase the US tries to invade it or air strike some of N. Koreas plants. Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea - DPRK) this is so funny first they are not democratic and they sure as hell don't give a jack about the people.

Originally posted by WestPoint23 Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea - DPRK) this is so funny first they are not democratic and they sure as hell don't give a jack about the people.

Yes, it's funny, it is not Democratiic, not People's, not Republic and not Korea (it's just the North Korea). Good name.

Now that I've seen this from Janes, I'm taking this more seriously...

*watches nervously as another pawn slides on the chessboard of WWIII*...

Well, at least we're still in the opening rhetoric stage of it...it just gets worse from here on in. So how many years before WWIII is officially announced???

(this part should be in Predictions, hehe...)

If Kerry is elected = about 5 more years till it's really going
If Bush is elected = about 3 more years till it's really going (maybe even 2 at this rate)...

Personally, I'm voting for 5...

Do you think the Chinese will do something if US attacks NK now?

[edit on 3-8-2004 by longbow]

Originally posted by longbow
Do you think the Chinese will do something if US attacks NK now?

No, that would risk everything to prop up Kim if the US was threatend or even attacked by the North. Its only a matter of time before he starts making overt threats. At that point, we need to tkae down his nuclear and missiles Period. This development leads new credence to the reports of US running recee missions over the north.

I would hate to go to war with the Koreans since they are like the Vietmanese, Each year 500+ People join their army While here in America we are lucky to even HAVE an army of 100,000 men.

What if the US conducted one big air strike, to take out all of the plants and missiles sites a the same time how would N. Korea react to The Us? They might attack South Korea but that doesn't really threaten the security of American cities.

I would hate to go to war with the Koreans since they are like the Vietmanese, Each year 500+ People join their army While here in America we are lucky to even HAVE an army of 100,000 men.

We have active forces of 1.4 million. Counting reserves we have over 2 million. North Korea has a rather poorly trained army.

They're really nothing like Vietnam. Vietnam had a very small army of guerillas.

I would hate to go to war with the Koreans since they are like the Vietmanese, Each year 500+ People join their army While here in America we are lucky to even HAVE an army of 100,000 men.

Like someone said we have at least 1.5 million troops over 2million reserves and if we need more we always got the draft. Can you imagine what a modern 1.5million man US army could do in a war. I don't even want to think about it, we beat countries in 3 weeks with 150.000 troops can you imagine what we can do with 1.500.000 Another stat you might want to know 1 in every 20 high school graduating students join the military.

Dude, you're a #ing ignorant. There is a difference between fighting demoralized, untrained and retarted raghead in the arabian desert and fighting fanaticak, trained and highly cunning soldiers in the korean mountains.

Dude, you're a ignorant. There is a difference between fighting demoralized, untrained and retarted raghead in the arabian desert and fighting fanaticak, trained and highly cunning soldiers in the korean mountains.

There is really little difference between Korean and Araba armies except for in size. I'd say the insurgents in Iraq are certainly fanatical, and so are the Taleban forces in Afghanistan. For many it's a holy war. As for training, much of these guys were Saddam's elite guard. Al Qeada produces rather skilled fighters, and I'd imagine that the leaders picked up something from their CIA training and have passed it down.

As for technology, little seperates North Korea from Iraq during the first Gulf War.

I really doubt how much the North Korean soldiers are willing to fight, quite frankly. The people there don't seem happy with the government one single bit, many would rather go to China then stay there.

Another factor is that any war with North Korea would involve the South Korean army in full force. They have a few million man army, and are certainly better trained and better equipped then the North Koreans.

As for North Korea's missile program, I'd think that within a few years our missile defenses would be able to stop them, along with some of the other third world countries that have or are trying to obtain nuclear weapons.

Dude, you're a ignorant. There is a difference between fighting demoralized, untrained and retarted raghead in the arabian desert and fighting fanaticak, trained and highly cunning soldiers in the korean mountains.

I'm ignorant? Need I remind you what you called the Arab soldiers
The N. Koreans are not fanatic, they will probably surrender in the thousands like the Iraqi troops did in 91. I don't see what makes them so cunning but whatever... in 51 we didn't have night vision and thermal imaging, the mountains wont offer them any cover. Not to mention the technological gap Between N. Korean military and the US military.

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And if war breaks out in Koreas much would depend on would China come in to game.

And if war breaks out in Koreas much would depend on would China come in to game.

At this point in time they rely too much on America to go to full war with us.

I doubt China would get involved. Currently their economy depends on us seeing "made in China" on all of our products. Not to say that we wouldn't be economically screwed with China. But I don't think China likes the so called Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea enough to defend them. Especially if it means war with the US. So the DPRK is pretty much on its own in the event of war. But they'll be a lot tougher than the Iraqi troops. North Korea is motivated thanks to propaganda. Their goverment tells them there happy so they'll believe it and they'll give everything to defend it. They have a decent army and there soldiers are well trained compared to most countries we've fought in the last fifty years. But whats important is they have more guts than the Iraqis (pretty impressive) but the key difference is there smarter. Much smarter. The only thing that makes them easier than Iraq is that they will most likely commit their forces to actual combat instead of guerilla warfare. That allows us to wipe them out without as much search and destroy. But they won't surrender by the thousands. These guys will fight to the death.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
I don't see what makes them so cunning but whatever... in 51 we didn't have night vision and thermal imaging, the mountains wont offer them any cover. Not to mention the technological gap Between N. Korean military and the US military.

All right. Yes there is a major gap in the air and sea. But once you get on the ground the N. Korean army isn't too far behind. Besides on the ground its not about what you have, its about how you use what have. Also night vision and thermal vision cannot see through mountains.

All right. Yes there is a major gap in the air and sea. But once you get on the ground the N. Korean army isn't too far behind. Besides on the ground its not about what you have, its about how you use what have. Also night vision and thermal vision cannot see through mountains.

While their probably won't be some huge gap in technology on the ground, we're better trained. Air superiority is a huge factor, as well. It comes into play on the ground.

I really don't know where people get this fanatical view of the North Koreans. Is there something I'm missing?

You think the North Koreans are just gonna lay down their arms... Just like the Iraqis in 91. .. Yeah right. Heck look at the news their just dropping their guns like and wetting them selves in Iraq. These people have been living in an oppressive regime that has brained washed many of them. Then after we bomb their villages and cities you think some north Korean guy is just gonna shrug , ok I give up yeah right. Inetably there would be a ground war, unless you bomb the # out of N Korea. I�m sure that just sounds swell to some of you.

As for China, unless you get them on side some how, their gonna have # conniption. I think preventing WW III it would be started.
The war would have to have the support of many Asian countries, or it would appear as imperialism.

Military solution? We heard that one before.

I'm basically getting the impression that this "fantical" attitude some of you claim North Koreans have is baseless.

Some of Saddam's army were taken from the time they were children and trained to be his soldiers. Many of them didn't fight that hard.

Millions of North Koreans are trying to flee to CHINA of all places.

I haven't seen anything suggesting the majority of North Korea's troops would be that dedicated to the government, let alone fanatical.