Good question from a muslim: Why did god need Jesus to die?

Hi there, I was chatting with a muslim about the differences between Islam and christianity, and one of the main culprits he said they have is the assumption that jesus died for the sins of mankind.

More precisely, what he said was: "If god is all powerful, all knowing and all seeing, why did he need Jesus to learn how to forgive mankind"

I thought it was a valid point, what is the general opinion from Christian scolars on this issue?

Answer: to continue the roman empire

Originally posted by AndrewJay
Answer: to continue the roman empire

Hehe, ok, not sure that's what the Christian scholars believe though

Jesus is considered a Prophet by the Muslims, jut like Muhammad is.

Jesus lived a life spreading love and peace, as the story goes, and the lesson learned was that mankind were animalistic enough to still crucify him.

That is why he died, so that our sins cast upon him are still forgiven, because we did/do not know any better.

God assured him that his death would be for a greater cause.







We must learn a lesson.







The lesson is peace.

Why does anyone believe in a book. I mean wtf

Click here for more information.

reply to post by MasterAndrew

The op didnt say he was a muslim, he saud he was asked a question by one..

Hi there, I was chatting with a muslim about the differences between Islam and christianity

With so many of your own questions, you should do some research and let us know what you think the answers might be in a new thread. then we can all be better informed

peace

Discuss the topic, not each other.

If you can't discuss the topic, don't post. Remember that two wrongs do not make a right.

Quite simply, because there is no salvation without the shedding of blood.
2nd line.

Originally posted by CharterZZ
Why does anyone believe in a book. I mean wtf

One doesn't have to take the book literally, but its contents can teach us many lessons for our lives.



Just like fairy-tales that taught us.


Pinocchio taught us not to lie.
Hansel and Gretel taught us not to trust strangers.





The possibilities for the written word delivering lessons are endless.

One thing I still don't get about this whole "died for our sins" thing is, why did he die for our sins so long ago?

And if that is viable, then who's gonna be a prophet and die for all the really bad sins around us for the past 20 Years (at least).

That phrase "for our sins" just doesn't amend anything. Most people don't think of Jesus and say, oh I won't do anything bad now coz Jesus died for our sins ... It just doesn't work ...

Maybe I should read up on this to clear these questions, maybe one day!

reply to post by IIIiIIIIIIiIII


There is no need for it. Ive never read it and im a very good person, i dont need to read a book to find that out

Originally posted by CharterZZ
reply to post by IIIiIIIIIIiIII

 

There is no need for it. Ive never read it and im a very good person, i dont need to read a book to find that out

People learn their lessons differently.



Some people have learned it from a book or a movie, their parents or a mixture of all.





So long as the right lessons are learned that create a peaceful Human, it doesn't matter where they are learned.

From my little book Reconciled:

Regarding the Promise, this explains why there had to be a particular time in history for Jesus to come. And as the writer of Hebrews explained, it's like a Last Will and Testament which cannot be enacted until the death of the testator has been established.* This highlights another critical element of sin and salvation: Since there was a Will and Testament involved, there had to be the death of the One who made it. We simply must understand this, because one of the most common objections to the gospel (coming even from within the "churches" today!) is that God is somehow bloodthirsty and cruel, demanding the death penalty for the smallest crimes. We need to counter such charges with this fact about the Promise. The price for redemption had to be death because this was the only way the Promise could be delivered.

Why was it that only God in human flesh could redeem us? Because only Jesus could represent both parties in the dispute: God and mankind.** It really is that simple, and explains why no other Way to God is possible. This is not God being arbitrarily narrow but God being compassionate because only He could pay this price, though He was under no obligation. There truly was no other way. And in redeeming us, Jesus also canceled the legal document of debt that stood against us and displayed it publicly by nailing it where all could see; that is the sense of the Greek.

In so doing, Jesus paid every last penny of our alienation from God and our committed sins.

* Heb. 9:16-28
** Col. 1:15–22, 2:9–15

It has also mislead people to do horrible things that i never want to be apart off

I hope the mods will clean out the off-topic posts soon, as the OP was directed at Christians concerning the reason for Jesus to die-- NOT just another place for anti-Christians to have their fun and show their obsession with Christianity.

Well anyone who has heard anything about Christianity would know in the Christian religion Jesus was not a man but the powers of god personified, also they would know crucifixion was a common practice of the day the Jews liked to crucify people because "Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse". Now for the reason of his death....In the bible it says he died for redemption, read a little deeper and you see that at the time god supposedly hated man. Jesus let him self die basically saying "I suffered a horribly slow death and I forgive man, so can you" Read people, I cant believe so many adults are without knowledge. I'm not telling anyone to find religion becuase I'm lost there myself, I'm telling people to read anything and everything.

reply to post by SaberTruth


Thanks SaberTruth -

As I look at it, it's a balancing act between God's requirements of divine justice (death for sin) and the gift of his divine grace (allowing a substitutionary atonement on our behalfs). I know there are some who would seek to dispute the interpretation, but I see no need to try to assign Isaiah 53 to anything/one but this substitionary sacrifice (previous sanhedrins have concurred as much on at least specific verses, and I cannot justify doing a line-by-line determination to make it refer to different people or entities).

Long story short:

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all... 12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

If anyone here is familiar with the concept of a whipping boy - this is basically the divine version of that.

Originally posted by Praetorius
If anyone here is familiar with the concept of a whipping boy - this is basically the divine version of that.

edit on 5/19/2011 by Praetorius because: (no reason given)

You're very welcome. :-) And an excellent choice of scripture.

But I wouldn't use the "whipping boy" analogy because the whipping boy had no choice in the matter. Jesus chose freely to take our punishment, "to give his life as a ransom for many". This was a payoff, a redemption, a rescue by sacrifice. Historically, such substitution was not unprecedented; many parents have taken punishment for the crimes of their minor children. Just some more thoughts.