Proof of HAARP and the Japan Earthquake

reply to post by zookey


Zookey, my good friend. To be completely honest - sometimes yes.

I posted my response in the same minute that you posted your clarification, and I hate to say it but honestly there ARE people out there who would make that same statement you did in all (mislead) seriocity (that's seriousness for all you ignerts out there).

My apologies for not picking up on your sly repartee, though. Despite the fact that I am by no means a dummy, I am shocking naive and stupid at times.

Be well...and next time at least raise that flag to half-staff.

Edit:
Then again, I am TOTALLY not opposed to your whole dancing girls scenario. That might help in the future more so than the flag would.

reply to post by DjDoubleD

Um..no.

Tesla denied the existence of the very thing HAARP was created to study, the ionosphere (which was called the "Heaviside layer" in those days). His thoughts about it also demonstrate his lack of understanding about the nature of electromagnetic radiation and how the ionosphere can reflect and/or transmit it.

Terrestrial phenomena which I have noted conclusively show that there is no Heaviside layer, or if it exists, it is of no effect. It certainly would be unfortunate if the human race were thus imprisoned and forever without power to reach out into the depths of space.

Tesla's theories were based on the use of transmission of electrical energy through the Earth, not the air. Tesla denied that radio waves (discovered by Heinrich Hertz) could be used for anything more than limited communications. Certainly nothing like things HAARP is claimed to be cabable of.

The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognized as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history.

www.tfcbooks.com...
Tesla was wrong.

Nick Begich. Likes to call himself "Dr. Begich".
From his own website:

Begich received his doctorate in traditional medicine from The Open International University for Complementary Medicines in November 1994.

Lets find out something about the institution.
From 1998.

The University readily agreed to award a doctorate on Falguni Mehta soon after receiving her application and subsequently conferred it when she paid $195 as legal notarisation fee.

www.expressindia.com...

"A colleague determined that there was an 'OUI' in Sri Lanka, but it is called Open International University for complementary medicine, and it is not an accredited medical school.' For an additional fee of $400-US, outstanding students are awarded an M.D. (which is their abbreviation for Masters Degree) or other degrees such as B.Science, or extra credentials. (Parenthetical comment his.)

"We were told that 'OIU' has additional prizes such as 'the Albert Schweitzer Award and Knighthood' (for an additional fee of $400-US)." (Parenthetical comment his.)

www.chiroweb.com...

Oh my. It seems the good "doctor" may have gotten his doctorate by mail order. He's also a snake oil salesman.

reply to post by PjZ101


Let's stop and think about this for a minute, shall we?

The total amount of heating we are seeing is far beyond the scope of any power plant to produce. Since anything heating the atmosphere has to draw power from such a "power plant" - it should stand to reason that blaming HAARP for the heating is like blaming a candle for a heat-wave.

And then there's also the complete disconnect with any kind of motivation. It's like watching your neighbor's house get struck by lightning and then instantly pointing the finger at local model-rocket enthusiasts who you try to accuse of engineering the lightning strike.

What for?

For the a desire to randomly destroy things and people?

Do you honestly believe there are teams of comic-book villains behind every disaster to ever befall people on the planet?

Originally posted by zookey
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

It says "scientific study" not cause earthquakes.

I suppose if your coffee is too hot at the drive through that is HARRP causing the coffee to be too "excited"?

Why they do it isn't the point. The point is that HAARP heats up the atmosphere, for whatever reason. Perhaps you should read the post that I was replying to. I don't drink coffee.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

HAARP heats the ionosphere. A small area of it over Gakona.
I suppose that technically speaking the ionosphere is part of the atmosphere but the temperature anomaly discussed in the paper originated in the lower atmosphere.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


Your only reasoning revolves around the heating of the atmosphere.

And, obviously, the -only- thing capable of that is HAARP. It's a bit chilly here in Missour, for May - I think they need to adjust their atmospheric conditioning algorithm. The growing season and every event on Earth depends upon HAARP - they should be held more accountable to those of us not being destroyed by their whimsical decisions.

www.sciencedirect.com... teway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1756725641&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=cc92c4d608d414c5 cb3d99be5b4729a0&searchtype=a

Link refers to a 2007 study done concerning ionospheric precursors of a earthquake in 1967. HAARP was established in 1990. So I think it's a little premature to tag HAARP to the DEMETER data. I don't think HAARP shouldn't be disregarded either

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

HAARP heats the ionosphere. A small area of it over Gakona.
I suppose that technically speaking the ionosphere is part of the atmosphere but the temperature anomaly discussed in the paper originated in the lower atmosphere.

i·on·o·sphere
noun /īˈänəˌsfi(ə)r/ 
ionospheres, plural

The layer of the earth's atmosphere that contains a high concentration of ions and free electrons and is able to reflect radio waves. It lies above the mesosphere and extends from about 50 to 600 miles (80 to 1,000 km) above the earth's surface

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

Yes, that's what I said. Technically it's part of the atmosphere but then so is the thermosphere, that's even higher.

The ionosphere is very much higher than the area talked about in the paper.

Back to the study's findings, I think it's really cool. The phenomena of earthquake lights have been written about since Pliny, although I can't recall if the younger or the older. Something being found like this would be a fantastic step forward for earthquake prediction. Look for the anomaly and start alerting people along whatever fault the anomaly happens to be over.
Although there are always unknown faults, but with so many known, it should be looked into.
And people who think HAARP has anyway to do this have greatly overestimated the capacity of HAARP to do anything over what it was designed to do: Produce a slight change in a small area of the ionosphere for research alone. And greatly underestimate how much power would be needed to make enough of a change to matter. Last time I check, they didn't have massive power plants around up there.

reply to post by zookey


um... that is exactly what haarp is designed to test and do. Look on there freakin website.

Damn internet sarcasm. There's no tone!!!!
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reply to post by stars15k

At first I thought it looked good too but I posted this in this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The more closely I look at the data presented the less impressed I am. They seem to ignore similar temperature anomalies in the area. They also seem to ignore an increase in solar proton flux (known to affect TEC) which occurred at the same time as the TEC "precursor".

Hopefully they will publish a peer reviewed version of the paper. I'm starting to think that this is a coincidence of "noise" with the earthquake.

While a reliable method of earthquake prediction would be a very good thing, I'm not so sure this is it. There could be an awful lot of crying wolf.

reply to post by Phage


I agree. They will need to find other factors to pair with this - such as detecting the theorized increase in ionizing radiation in the absence of local solar phenomena.

It's just that right now, such a real-time monitoring and processing network doesn't exist - and won't for some time.

Originally posted by studio500
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Plesae post your comments in the thread linked above.

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