Canadians secretly added to U.S. security list: WikiLeaks

Well, Canadian ATSers should like this one...

When you read the article, all along it talks about having your name given to the Americans as a potential terrorist if you know and/or talk with some who are or are suspected of it, even if nothing points you to be one.

Like if you happen to be working at the grocery store a potential terrorist visits to buy food, you are more than likely to have your name given to the US!...

But...

When it was pointed out that they are nonetheless now in the American databases, courtesy of CSIS, the official replied: "Yes, and so are you, and so am I.

...this one is a give away that everything breathing on Canadian soil must be on the Americans list...

Or be on it for posting here, due to the controversial nature of our open-minded discussions...

People on the list could see their entrance refused, or have no right to take a plane, or be like Maher Arar, who ended up being tortured in the middle-east... It is an abusive system similar to pre-crime, but in this case, you don't even need to be a pre-crimer to be suspected of being one.

We are being sold out to the Americans for whatever reasons pleases them...

I know where I am not wanted, and until this is resolved in an intelligent manner, I'm afraid the US has simply lost potential tourists!!!

Make yourself a cup of coffee, because it is a long article.

That is stupid. American's are the real terrorists. And i mean the Government!

reply to post by TgP3o6


Yes, it is a Government thing. The American people are in for a ride, too! Maybe them more than us since THEY have to live directly with the US government...

We are considered the terrorists, but I hear cries from the South of the US about organized crime waging its war on American soil... What would happen if the Canadian organized crime acted that way?

The Toronto 18 were in Toronto in 2006 to execute, a failed, attack...
en.wikipedia.org...

Wait a minute.. I WAS in Toronto in 2006 for a Summer family visit...
Crap. I'm banned from the U.S

I see fearmongering knows no bounds... How bout you guys take your complaints up with your Government, who is responsible for giving the info to the US, instead of blaming the US for it?

Novel concept I know...

Then again maybe if Canada tightened their immigration laws that didnt let just anyone in, it might be a bit different. However, thats the Canadian Governments policy, and this is ours.

No matter the cause of the problem, what stands out to me is that the American government seems to be completely paranoid! Terrorist has simply become the new "commie", and so we practice cold war tactics against everyone including our neighbors.

It's getting old!

I wonder if this has anything to do with the increasing activity to abolish the Canadian border and merge US and Canada. The database could be used for any Canadian who may oppose the North American Union, or just any Canadian for that matter.

reply to post by Xcathdra


So I take it you wouldn't mind being on any other Governments lists?

Knowing you could be sent God knows where for no reasons? Because it would fit their agenda? Ok...

Explain to me why everybody on Earth has to live by the US word?...

Well, I'm going on vacation to S.Dakota this year. I suppose I'll have to make plans for what we'll do if they decide to be dicks at the border.

Wouldn't want your economy to profit off tourism dollars I guess.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
I see fearmongering knows no bounds... How bout you guys take your complaints up with your Government, who is responsible for giving the info to the US, instead of blaming the US for it?

Novel concept I know...

Then again maybe if Canada tightened their immigration laws that didnt let just anyone in, it might be a bit different. However, thats the Canadian Governments policy, and this is ours.

edit on 18-5-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

No denial on your part, so if the fearmongerers (us) tell canada some thing..
then it's not the falt of the us but canada.. i see your logic

let me just tell you that not much going on here (canada) all the # that happens around america
comes from within the us. if the us would not exist we would have to make s##t up..

p.s. canada rules... we are peace keepers.. you can keep your borders closed PLEASE do not cross. Keep your
paranoid society out of our land. and most of all your stupid statutes...

Sorry nothing personal, peace to you.

There is a running joke at the Airport here about security clearances.

All the people of Middle Eastern descent, Muslims, etc get their clearances in a week.

All the born Canadians who are white - their clearances take months.

Its a FASCINATING statement - the guys from the Middle East find it particularly amusing.

reply to post by Aeons


Of course it will take months for Canadians to get clearance... They prefer us to stay cozy at home watching talented diluted rigged hockey games... If we dare raise our head, we stand out like a zit on prom night.

Since the Canadian government and all its branches and services are so willing to give Canadians as targets, can you imagine when cops got to school a few years ago, picking up hair of children for DNA collection, plus their finger prints, in case they would disappear,without the parents consent!

If they need DNA and prints, I will provide a toothbrush and a toy filled with the child's prints... What, after pre-crime, we have pre-save?...

I think it is safe to say those children are now on the American list, for their protection...

In other articles related to this topic that you can find in the OP's article's link, you can see that the fact we, the Canadian People, are holding up to moral standards is pissing off big time the US Government.
If the US Gov doesn't hold to moral standards, it can only lower itself to immorality.

Remember the TSA patting the potential baby terrorist. The live abortion. The home seizures. Illegal wars...

You need to prove that children's DNA ended up in a database used by the government.

There is no massive bureaucracy for such an undertaking.

Originally posted by TgP3o6
That is stupid. American's are the real terrorists. And i mean the Government!

Yep but dont go thinking our Canadian gov is any better...

reply to post by Aeons


Proof? LOL I have no proof, at least, none physical, but what do you think of the following?

Some police departments may even ask that you bring your child to the station as it would be easier for them to simply enter your kid’s fingerprints into a national data base for you.

It is expected that most kits will also come with sampling tools for you to take your child’s DNA. Most kits will offer a cheek swab where you can collect your child’s saliva and place it in a secure plastic bag. At police departments, however, they will only require you to collect a strand of hair from your child’s head and seal it in a plastic bag.

Kid's fingerpints kit

The linked site is in the US, but it is a worldwide program.

In the case I related, the cops went to the school and asked 8 years old children to provide, without the parents consent...

How can you think the Government will not "buy" those lists, and sell them back? It is now the trend to do so...

Last time I went over the boarder from Canada to t he US I didn't have a passport ( less than a month ago) I was given a mini lecture at the boarder handed a slip of paper and let in with my BC and OHIP ( Ontario Health Insurance Plan) card as proof of identity. I went the next week and applied for my passport and had my passport in my hands a week later. What you wanna bet I'll get more of a hassle trying to cross with the passport than I did without it ??? Seriously all that homeland security talk is just that you don't NEED the passport to get into the U.S.A they let you in anyway, well just this once, but if I was a terrorist and knew about this little flaw in the security then I'd be coming thru Canada getting fake I.D. and going over you know just this ONCE, it was just to easy.


OH crap does this mean my names gonna be on the "LIST" now ....dang it no more cheap milk!!!

This poor guy ended up on "the list" and he was an undercover operative for the RCMP and CSIS

news.ca.msn.com...

Along with Shaikh, the secret cable, provided to CBC News by WikiLeaks, names all the people originally arrested in the infamous Toronto 18 case in 2006, some of whom went on to prison on terrorism-related charges.

Shaikh knows the other names on the list well. He was the man who put them away.

Officially, CSIS has nothing to say about how its own operative was denounced to American authorities.

"My life is screwed forever," he said. "That's pretty much what it means. That means my life, my children, my family members. They're all screwed."

On one hand, Canadians rarely have a need to go to the US.
On the other hand, this guy is dark skinned and Muslim, although born in Canada. Hopefully no one comes up here to harass him and/or his family.

Operative is a fairly overblown description of his role with either organization.

Resource would be more accurate. He does seem pretty good at up-selling himself though.

reply to post by mkkkay


Canada is responsible for their own internal affairs, as well as how the deal with other countries. If the US requests info from Canada on their citizen, Canada can either agree, refuse or try to find some compromise.

The notion that the US is always 100 percent responsible for another countries actions is a joke. Canada made their decision, the US did not make it for them.

If Canadians dont care to have that info shared, then they need a redress of grievances with their government, not the US.

reply to post by NowanKenubi


They can't keep their databases straight as it is.

The ability merely to compare whose living and whose dead to each other is FAR beyond their ability.

Data being available, and data being USEFUL is not the same thing.

When they finally get to the point of being able to cross reference births to deaths to school records to medical records and find that they are missing literally tens of thousands of people....THEN I'd believe that they might be able to do some biometric magic some day. As it is, they can't walk down the street and chew gum at the same time.

The magic databases of oppression aren't a reality.