Going from SP to an OOBE...HOW?

Hello everybody,
Back again!
I have some questions about OOBE and SP.

Okay, I have experienced SP for three years now. In other forums, I have heard people saying how they just "go OOB" from an SP. I have never really experienced that! What do you do to get OOBE from SP?

More about my experience...
Mostly my experience of an SP starts from the initial vibrations to an enormous force pulling my body along with a buzzing sound in the ears and it ends as I fall back to sleep. I think it was once and the first time that I felt my legs kinda rose from my bed due to the pulling force I feel. Is that part of an OOBE or still in the SP state? I sleep in a very dark room and so I got really scared when I felt my legs rising from the bed and so I tried to fight that "force."

Another question, this is may-be off SP/OOBE: In past, sometimes when about to sleep, I used to feel this unique/weird sensation. As I close my eyes, I see/feel myself as a point and at the same time I feel like I am separating from that point, its like a constant struggle inbetween. During that sensation, I couldn't figure out where I existed. Is that part of an OOBE? I don't get that sensation anymore, I used to get that before my SP experiences started. But I still remember those sensations because they were so weird.
Can somebody please describe their sensations or thoughts when OOBE starts from an SP, so that I can figure out if I'm able to do that?

Last one! As I said earlier, I sleep in a very dark room, so whenever I get an SP, specifically when its about to end, I usually get up (or at least I feel that) and try to turn the switch of the light-lamp on as I feel scarred. No matter how hard I try, I can't light the lamp, the switch won't work! I just keep turning the switch. All that happens when I'm in that post-SP state. When I actually wake up later on, I try to turn the lamp on, and it works! So then I question myself, Do I actually get up and try that switch? What do you think? It just seems so real. Why?

All this might sound stupid but you all OOBErs can shed some light on it! I'm feeling very weird with all these "moving lights" experiences plus the SP and related ones as described above!
Btw, were these questions already asked in previous threads? I tried the search, but couldn't find any similar.
Any response (+/-) appreciated! Thanks in advance.

[edit on 8/3/2004 by jp1111]

"As I close my eyes, I see/feel myself as a point and at the same time I feel like I am separating from that point, its like a constant struggle inbetween. During that sensation, I couldn't figure out where I existed."

I used to get that a lot as well. I thought it was really REALLY cool, and eventually learned to invoke it at will when lying in bed. Additionally, I found I could spin while in that state and found that VERY enjoyable.

Its not an OOBE. Its a state of altered consciousness. And before anyone goes off saying that an OOBE is nothing *but* an altered state....NO....an OOBE is a seperation of body and mind. An altered state of consciousness is just that...an ALTERED state, much like the altered state of REM.

"So then I question myself, Do I actually get up and try that switch? What do you think? It just seems so real. Why? "
No you probably didnt actually get up and try. SP is a state that is closely linked with REM, and in REM one is (usually) dreaming. However, SP is a state that "merges" REM and wakefulness, so you may be dreaming of flipping the switch, and you may be conscious enough to remember that dream, but in fact you were laying in bed the entire time.

BTW, your SP episodes are very normal (vibrations, force pulling at you, buzzing sound) Dont be suprised if you eventually feel "something" ominous in your room as well. This is a normal pattern of SP. Nothing to fear (although fear is a hard thing to control in the middle of the night sometimes)

From my experience, OOBE's are completely different than SP.



Fellow SP victim

Corvus Corax

[edit on 3-8-2004 by corvus_corax]

Originally posted by corvus_corax
I used to get that a lot as well. I thought it was really REALLY cool, and eventually learned to invoke it at will when lying in bed.

I thought I was the only one! For some reason, as I stated earlier, I don't get that sensation any more, but I do remember it! So, how do you invoke it? I really want to experience that again!

Dont be suprised if you eventually feel "something" ominous in your room as well.

Its been three years and that is one thing that I haven't felt that other people with SP experience. I'm glad I haven't!

From my experience, OOBE's are completely different than SP.

Should I assume that you have experienced OOBEs also? What is your method of getting an OOBE?
For some people, as you can read in other threads, they claim that they just go from SP to OOB, which is my major question for this thread that how do they do it?

I have a question also.

Last night I was just concentrating on my breathing and my body began to feel like it was getting heavy, kinda feeling like I was sinking into my bed, then I had the sensation of spinning(rolling) I know I wasnt really spinning but I felt like I was!! Can someone come up with a conclusion? Was I on the brink of seperation for body and mind. (I also had my hand on my arm and I couldnt sence both of them either) I let my mind wonder, didnt "see" or "feel" anything or anyone, plus my chest felt like it was being pushed on. My cat came into my room and meowed next to me and it "woke" me up. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Originally posted by foxtrot_uniform
Last night I was just concentrating on my breathing and my body began to feel like it was getting heavy, kinda feeling like I was sinking into my bed, then I had the sensation of spinning(rolling) I know I wasnt really spinning but I felt like I was!! Can someone come up with a conclusion? Was I on the brink of seperation for body and mind. (I also had my hand on my arm and I couldnt sence both of them either) I let my mind wonder, didnt "see" or "feel" anything or anyone, plus my chest felt like it was being pushed on. My cat came into my room and meowed next to me and it "woke" me up. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Hey, I'm no expert, but the things you described are actually part of relaxation techniques.
When you go to a hypnotist or a related specialist, he'll actually tell you to do all the stuff that you mentioned, to feel as if your body is heavy, sinking feeling, concentrating on breath, etc.

I'm not sure about the spinning sensation, that might be (as corvus_corax said,) due to altered consciousness.

Other suggestion would be you might have undergone a sleep paralysis experience. You can search for it on google, lots of links out there. I'm saying this because you said you felt like a force pushing on your chest. Many SP victims say the same thing. However did you feel any vibrations through your body or any buzzing sound? which is the most common in SP descriptions. I don't feel any force pushing during my SP experience, rather I feel one pulling me!

For a last suggestion, you should rather make a new thread about this question so that more people can read it and give you insight of what really you're going through.

[edit on 8/3/2004 by jp1111]

It wasnt like something was pushing me. I can hear what sounds like an electronic humming. I know the brain has electrical pulses or something like that. I cant seem to figure out what the spinning is though. Some people here have told me its the start of seperation between physical and astral. My body isnt paralyized. I can move if i want to, but im so relaxed my body is still.

Originally posted by foxtrot_uniform
It wasnt like something was pushing me. I can hear what sounds like an electronic humming. I know the brain has electrical pulses or something like that. I cant seem to figure out what the spinning is though. Some people here have told me its the start of seperation between physical and astral. My body isnt paralyized. I can move if i want to, but im so relaxed my body is still.

Seems like its not sleep paralysis at all. I don't know much about astral travel and such stuff, so I can't really help you here. As for OOBE, I'm still researching on it.
Many of the people who have OOBE talk about some kind of spinning feeling, so I don't know, may be its OOBE, but I wouldn't just conclude it that easy without doing much research.

[edit on 8/3/2004 by jp1111]

"I thought I was the only one! For some reason, as I stated earlier, I don't get that sensation any more, but I do remember it! So, how do you invoke it? I really want to experience that again!
"
Strangely, I cant do it anymore. Not at will anyway. And when it *does* happen, it's now so startling to me that I startle myself out of it. This sensation was pretty common for me throughout childhood and well into my teenage/early20's. But sometime in my 20's it just kind of "faded away" (hard to explain any other way).

Additionally, I didnt experience this in conjuntion with SP. SP is a *completely* different experience for me (sorry that I didn't explain this in my original post)

"Should I assume that you have experienced OOBEs also? What is your method of getting an OOBE?
For some people, as you can read in other threads, they claim that they just go from SP to OOB, which is my major question for this thread that how do they do it?
"

Like the detached/spinning experience that I described above, OOBE's for me were a childhood through young adult experience (although not that common for me even then). I honestly have no idea how I did it. It just something that *was* for me and I didnt question it. I havent had an OOBE in well over a decade.

And, to the best of my recollection, I never went from SP to an OOBE.

foxtrot_uniform-
"my body began to feel like it was getting heavy, kinda feeling like I was sinking into my bed, then I had the sensation of spinning(rolling) I know I wasnt really spinning but I felt like I was!!"
This sounds like what I used to experience. My theory is that its merely an ASoC (and I dont mean anything "metaphysical" by that either, I think it's a hyphagogic state), and I dont know if it "means" anything or is indicative of anything. For me it was just a *really* enjoyable experience
"My cat came into my room and meowed next to me and it "woke" me up. Thoughts? Suggestions? "
This really does (to me at least) sound like a hypnagogic state. You arent quite asleep, but your conscious mind has "sunk" low enough that you are becoming unaware of your environment (your hand on your arm for instance). However you are still awake enough for minor things (a cat's meow for example) to awaken you immediately.




For some people this spinning sensation may be the precursor to an OOBE, but in my instances, the two were not, to my recollection, connected.
However, good luck to you if you pursue this "spinning" method

Originally posted by corvus_corax
Strangely, I cant do it anymore. Not at will anyway. And when it *does* happen, it's now so startling to me that I startle myself out of it. This sensation was pretty common for me throughout childhood and well into my teenage/early20's. But sometime in my 20's it just kind of "faded away" (hard to explain any other way).

Thanks for the reply/ies, corvus_corax. So, it faded away, so did mine. Its been three years that the "Cool" feeling is gone. So, I have to assume using your story that I won't be able to really experience that "cool" sensation ever again! However it was so unique that I just can't seem to forget it!

Additionally, I didnt experience this in conjuntion with SP. SP is a *completely* different experience for me

I agree. SP started later on for me as stated earlier, so this was indeed not related to SP at all.

I have had sleep paralysis once, but then I wassnt sure. I did here a buzzing and felt a bit hot. I couldnt move my body either, "turned" my heada I guess, but I coculd still see. If only I knew about OBE then...

any hints on getting into SP?

Foxtrot, what you are explaining is definitely the beginnings of OBE. If you allow that feeling to follow through and complete itself, you will enter into a full OBE. It may take a while to get used to the feelings etc, and once you do manage to get out, you generally won't get far the first few times. Take it slow, you will succeed.

Blessed Be
Whitewolf

Originally posted by Yngwie
any hints on getting into SP?

I usually get SP when I don't get enough sleep the previous days/week. People say its really easy to go from SP to OOB, but I have never been able to do so. I haven't tried much since I get scared when this happens!

Originally posted by ImAlreadyPsycho
If you allow that feeling to follow through and complete itself, you will enter into a full OBE.

I know this has been addressed to foxtrot, but a small question here....
I might have been able to initiate OOBE during SP, but I can't really know for sure. How do you know that you have entered a full OOBE?

Trust me, if you are still conscious enough, you will know. Fact of the matter is, everyone does it. Not most people, everyone. MOST don't know it though. OBEs are as natural as breathing. They will happen to everyone, and generally frequently.

As for SP and OBE coming from one another, I have never heard of any correlation. Generally, the only thing you ever hear about being included in SP is Night Terrors, or maybe Old Hag syndrome type things. But OBEs are usually associated with Lucid Dreaming, as Lucid Dreaming is a gateway to OBEs when we are unconscious (sleeping).

My advice, if you really want to have an OBE to learn what it feels like, but a few books, study the conscious methods, and try them. Find one that works for you. There are many, and some work for some people, others don't. I actually use many different methods.

Good Luck
Blessed Be
Whitewolf

"Fact of the matter is, everyone does it. Not most people, everyone."

How has this been established as fact?

NOTE- Im not trying to derail this thread with an argument between you, me and anybody else. This is just a fact that I have never heard of (supposition yes, but not fact).

In truth, I am really more interested in finding out where this fact was confirmed due to the fact that OOBE's have been an ongoing interest of mine for the last few years (despite, or because of, my inability to have one)

Thanks in advance!

Originally posted by jp1111

Originally posted by corvus_corax
Strangely, I cant do it anymore. Not at will anyway. And when it *does* happen, it's now so startling to me that I startle myself out of it. This sensation was pretty common for me throughout childhood and well into my teenage/early20's. But sometime in my 20's it just kind of "faded away" (hard to explain any other way).

Thanks for the reply/ies, corvus_corax. So, it faded away, so did mine. Its been three years that the "Cool" feeling is gone. So, I have to assume using your story that I won't be able to really experience that "cool" sensation ever again! However it was so unique that I just can't seem to forget it!

Additionally, I didnt experience this in conjuntion with SP. SP is a *completely* different experience for me

I agree. SP started later on for me as stated earlier, so this was indeed not related to SP at all.

Dont assume anything . Just because my experience seems similar to yours, doesnt mean that your experience is going to mirror mine. Who knows, maybe these things will spontaneously start back up for you in a few months or years. Or with a little application they might start back up. Who knows, just dont throw in the towel...you may have more luck than I (and if you do, let me know how you did it.....I would LOVE to get that back! )

Corvus,

Thanks, I like my crow well done.

Let's put it this way.

A book, written by Gavin and Yvonne Frost "Astral Travel: Your Guide to the Secrets of Out-of-the-Body Experiences" copywrite 1982 (I highly recommend this book to ANYONE interested in the topic. It is the first I ever read, and still my most favorite of the many I have read, and use pratically) has a few different passages about the history of astral travel, that date back to dates BC.

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Originally posted by ImAlreadyPsycho
Trust me, if you are still conscious enough, you will know. Fact of the matter is, everyone does it. Not most people, everyone. MOST don't know it though. OBEs are as natural as breathing. They will happen to everyone, and generally frequently.

It sounds possible. Some people may be are able to go into a full-bloomed OOBE while others hardly realize that they're going through it.

As for SP and OBE coming from one another, I have never heard of any correlation.

There might not be a strong correlation there, but I have heard many say that there is some. I can't seem to find the thread/s where similar stuff is said, but I found a link that relates SPs and OOBEs: www.trionica.com...

Thanks for the reply!

[edit on 8/4/2004 by jp1111]

Originally posted by corvus_corax
Who knows, maybe these things will spontaneously start back up for you in a few months or years. Or with a little application they might start back up.

Corvus_corax,
Hopefully it does start back again.
I found something here. I was reading through some stuff and I found this quote on this link: "Perceptions of one's own body also disappear. The subject discovers himself as a point of consciousness which moves in very strange worlds yet the feeling of self remains." That sounds similar, doesn't it! Well, this person was taking some drug called Ketamine which induced that feeling. Now I'm not taking any kind of medications, so I don't know where my sensation is coming from!

Another quote on this link: "Others claim to have been a vague shape floating on an empty plain or even as a point zooming through a sky full of coloured light."

One more quote from this link, now it relates that sensation to OOBEs: "A person having an OBE may for example find his sense of identity apparently associated with a second, non-physical body--a "soul," "astral body," "spirit," or, to suggest a term having a certain charm, "out-of-body body" (OBB)! Equally, while "out-of-body", one may entirely dispense with the inelegance of bodies of any sort, and experience oneself as a point of light or a freely mobile center of awareness. In some OBEs, one will seem to see one's physical body while in other cases one finds but an empty bed or someone else entirely."

I guess we are not alone for experiencing this "point" sensation phenomenon!

Anytime jp1111. That is what "communities" are for right?

Like I say, I have never made any correlation based on my readings, but then again, most everything I have read on OBEs is JUST OBEs and Lucid Dreaming. I have also never had the opportunity (that I recall) to enjoy a nice bout of night terrors or SP. Thankfully?

You are right about most people not realizing OBE has occured. Most people that experience it and have never heard of it think they were just dreaming. The fun part, when you have experienced them on purpose and know what an OBE is like, is explaining to someone that brings it to the table what really happened to them. That it was an OBE not a dream. OBEs can be controlled, a normal "dream" cannot.