Please God, Let the Rapture Happen!

reply to post by chanel


Don't expect many "intelligent" ATSer to agree with you.

You can't generalize any religion ... especially Christianity. There are so many different sub-groups and denominations that it makes my head spin just thinking about it. Within each of these groups are individuals with personal opinions and points of view. I may not always agree with or understand Christians ... but I won't dislike or hate them for their beliefs.

Instead of blaming the religion or the beliefs, blame the individuals that commit the acts themselves; positive and negative. Many good and bad things have been done in the name of Christianity and it's impossible to calculate the complete consequences it will have on our world, but it's here, and it's likely here to stay ... for now.

So, deal with it ... and instead of embracing intolerance and hatred (which is what you supposedly are speaking against ... ), spread the love.

What would you do if all the Jews were taken, or the Muslims? (its the same god after all)
Assuming it's only Christians what if it is the JoWi's and their 44.000?
What if it's only the 7th Day Adventists,, or Anglicans. Or Orthodox. Or is it all.
What if it is a mix of "righteous" peoples regardless of denomination.
I am sure that the bible did not say that thr Lord would take unto him the Christians. As the rapture was laid out in Revelation no? which is in the Old Testament, whereas Christianity holds the New Testament.

reply to post by amaster


In answer to your question about my religious affiliation, I'm honestly not sure. I'm very intrigued by Ancient Native American beliefs such as the Hopi but do not know enough details about specific traits of the religion to claim myself as Hopi. I strive in my everyday life to be Hopi but living in our modern society, it's almost impossible for me to identify myself as such.

As far as my oppression goes, I think that all people that are not convinced by the mainstream religion of Christianity are oppressed by them. Particularly for me, I am a person with Epilepsy and I am also two spirited. Or as modern English labels me, a homosexual woman.

Originally posted by chanel

As many of you know, there is a conspiracy amongst some Christian groups that the Rapture will be happening on May 21st, 2011.

First of all I wouldn't consider this a conspiracy. It is just a bunch of misled idiots believing something ridiculous.

Imagine if it really happened. Imagine all of the Christians being taken away from Earth in the twinkling of an eye.

How wonderful would it be to live on our planet if there were no Christians left here! There would be no intolerance, no more hate, no more war, everything would be peaceful and those "left behind" would be happy.

You can't be serious. Muslims and Jews account for 99.9% of the hate, intolerance, and war. If the rapture were to happen then that would mean that the Bible is correct, so wouldn't logic suggest that if the Bible is correct about that, then it is also correct about what happens after the rapture? I assure you that there would be no happiness; only misery, torture and suffering, according to the Bible of course.

If the Rapture happened or if all of the Christian people killed themselves at the same time believing that that was the Rapture...just think about how much better off the world would be.

That sounds pretty hateful and intolerant... hypocrite.

i dont think it would be any better, maybe worse.

your blaming christians for wars? why not blame every religion for wars?

no christians means less ppl on the planet and that means no one behind the controls of things we need.

many places wont have electricity (no internet), food, water, shelter. if this happened i think the world would start to crumble =/

You really do not understand Christianity at all. The hate you speak of comes from yourself. There are many flaws in the organized church, that I will agree too, but that happens in all religion. To single out one and condemn it completely is doing exactly what you are complaining they do. Good luck with the whole rapture thing too. Any Christian who claims a rapture is coming to save them from the days of tribulation does little to credit their belief. They are spoon fed misinformation by religious leaders.

Originally posted by Nurv47
reply to post by chanel

 

Don't expect many "intelligent" ATSer to agree with you.

You can't generalize any religion ... especially Christianity. There are so many different sub-groups and denominations that it makes my head spin just thinking about it. Within each of these groups are individuals with personal opinions and points of view. I may not always agree with or understand Christians ... but I won't dislike or hate them for their beliefs.

Instead of blaming the religion or the beliefs, blame the individuals that commit the acts themselves; positive and negative. Many good and bad things have been done in the name of Christianity and it's impossible to calculate the complete consequences it will have on our world, but it's here, and it's likely here to stay ... for now.

So, deal with it ... and instead of embracing intolerance (which is what you supposedly are speaking against ... ) and hatred, spread the love.

edit on 17-5-2011 by Nurv47 because: (no reason given)

I can no longer "deal" with the persecution that has stemmed from Christianity for centuries. Any religion that claims to promote love but then tells in its own religious texts, that people are sinners naturally deserving of burning in a lake of fire for eternity is ethically wrong. It's not the individuals alone, they are folowng what they believe to be true in accordance with their Bible.

Only thing I can see is some energy may come through here. this energy may call for certain religious followers to be rounded up. these followers may all be slain to free the energies full influence on the minds its seeks. this energy rules temp. And is devoured by a energy not bounded by power or the cosmos or time or space. This energy will return to from where it came to be prepared for casting. many may see this energy and lose faith many may convert only because of fear this is this energies seeking power/weakness.

in the end lol energy is just energy nothing more not god or even close just energy. So some may die if certain energy comes around with its own pov of religious followers of CHRIST this energy may attack christ followers not realizing it freed the last who prevented the DESTRUCTION. So with a bit of seriousness PLEASE FULLY EVALUATE POTENTIALS.. And dont just consider being beamed up. Yes there may be a location for souls to flee why mega destruction storms this way of the certain ruller energy or king or returning.

Be well keep your faith just in case and if tested the follow your hearts if it causes you to curr and bow or to fight withstand and die- YOU who are worthy will be ok. they who seek protection under the danger well get what comming to them. Also time lines can be sped up and re adjusted if some cheated on the 2011-2012 arrival approach plan.

Be well ALL

Originally posted by ashtonkusher
i dont think it would be any better, maybe worse.

your blaming christians for wars? why not blame every religion for wars?

no christians means less ppl on the planet and that means no one behind the controls of things we need.

many places wont have electricity (no internet), food, water, shelter. if this happened i think the world would start to crumble =/

Religious discrepancies between Christianity and other religions seems to be the cause for many wars. I'm just saying that I'd be personally happy to not be persecuted by the heterosexist agenda of hiding behind christianity to discriminate. I really wish that people that believed in one giant omnipresent man in the sky were not in charge of running things and making decisions for the rest of us. Yeah, things would be haywire for a minute but the rest of us left behind would get it back on track.

Originally posted by chanel
reply to post by amaster

 

In answer to your question about my religious affiliation, I'm honestly not sure. I'm very intrigued by Ancient Native American beliefs such as the Hopi but do not know enough details about specific traits of the religion to claim myself as Hopi. I strive in my everyday life to be Hopi but living in our modern society, it's almost impossible for me to identify myself as such.

As far as my oppression goes, I think that all people that are not convinced by the mainstream religion of Christianity are oppressed by them. Particularly for me, I am a person with Epilepsy and I am also two spirited. Or as modern English labels me, a homosexual woman.

Then perhaps you should better spend you time learning the ways and traditions of the Hopi inorder to open up your own spiritual path rather than lash out in hate toward those you do not agree with.

It's no secret that christianity has done more than it's fair share of harm to this world, but they are not alone. As a homosexual woman, you are are more oppressed by the muslim community than you are by the christians. They may condem you to hell, but a muslim will bury you up to your waist and throw stones at your head.

Muslim mosques are quickly changing the landscape of this country as they infultrate every aspect of our community, just as the christian churches once did. They impose sharia law and jihads above the federal laws where ever they go, all in the name of their god. Yet you do not call for them to be taken away, only the christians.

I'm not trying to stick up for them, I'm simply attempting to understand you thought process.

reply to post by chanel


I am not going to argue about the Bible, but it seems that you don't really have much more of a choice other than to "deal with it" ... what do you plan to do? Make a thread out of frustration every time you don't get your way?

Well, I'll be here every time to keep you company!

I hope it happens on a Sunday while they are at church because I'll head to my nearest megachurch and pick up all the jewelry and wallets they leave behind.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Originally posted by chanel

As many of you know, there is a conspiracy amongst some Christian groups that the Rapture will be happening on May 21st, 2011.

First of all I wouldn't consider this a conspiracy. It is just a bunch of misled idiots believing something ridiculous.

Imagine if it really happened. Imagine all of the Christians being taken away from Earth in the twinkling of an eye.

How wonderful would it be to live on our planet if there were no Christians left here! There would be no intolerance, no more hate, no more war, everything would be peaceful and those "left behind" would be happy.

You can't be serious. Muslims and Jews account for 99.9% of the hate, intolerance, and war. If the rapture were to happen then that would mean that the Bible is correct, so wouldn't logic suggest that if the Bible is correct about that, then it is also correct about what happens after the rapture? I assure you that there would be no happiness; only misery, torture and suffering, according to the Bible of course.

If the Rapture happened or if all of the Christian people killed themselves at the same time believing that that was the Rapture...just think about how much better off the world would be.

That sounds pretty hateful and intolerant... hypocrite.

Alright, first off I understand the hateful and sexist nature behind Islam. But I don't have to deal with that everywhere I go, everyday of my life. I'm not saying that it doesn't matter because its not in my face. Its just not as omnipresent as Christianity to me therefore I'm not speaking out against it.

It seriously annoys me that whenever people speak out against Christianity, they themselves are called hateful, intolerant hypocrites, when our worlds mainstream religion is the hateful, intolerant hypocrite. I'm just fed up and speaking out to find people that feel the same way that I do.

Originally posted by Nurv47
reply to post by chanel

 

I am not going to argue about the Bible, but it seems that you don't really have much more of a choice other than to "deal with it" ... what do you plan to do? Make a thread out of frustration every time you don't get your way?

Well, I'll be here every time to keep you company!

edit on 17-5-2011 by Nurv47 because: (no reason given)

Haha, that's funny! I know that I have to deal with it, its not like my opinion will dwarf millions of christian's opinions...make them see reality for what it is. And Yes, maybe I will start making threads every time I don't get my way. Next thread title, "Circle K needs to start selling USA Gold light 100's!"

Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by chanel

 

Please god...

You are asking it to bring about the rapture, all the while condemning it.


I think I know what is going on - you are in the 1st stage of realization...you realize it's all a bunch of fodder, but don''t really have the knowledge nor the wit to make anything of it.


No worries - if you keep an open mind, it should all fall into place eventually. In the meantime, read this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2bad6b04c71c.jpg[/atsimg]

My title for this thread was a perfect example of my cunning wit.

You are right, based upon the fact of how old I hope to get, I am in the first stage of realization and clarity about the real truths behind Christianity/msm religion and their intentions.

Intolerance, hypocrisy, hate, etc., are all traits of the spiritually primordial individual, and it is possible to be present in anyone regardless of creed or lack thereof. To blame a Christian solely is wrong. You yourself are guilty of intolerance and hate, which makes you a hypocrite. Do you see? You are no different than the ones you condemn, who also condemn you, and that is the vicious circle of the beast. What breaks this? Love. Love trumps everything - love is the spirit. You make them out to be your enemy, and they you. What did Jesus tell us all about enemies?

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

I am not pinning you down or attacking you, though. Don't think that I am! I'm simply pointing out to all that shunning another also means you shun yourself, which also means you shun God.

We're all connected...

Cheers.

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Intolerance, hypocrisy, hate, etc., are all traits of the spiritually primordial individual, and it is possible to be present in anyone regardless of creed or lack thereof. To blame a Christian solely is wrong. You yourself are guilty of intolerance and hate, which makes you a hypocrite. Do you see? You are no different than the ones you condemn, who also condemn you, and that is the vicious circle of the beast. What breaks this? Love. Love trumps everything - love is the spirit. You make them out to be your enemy, and they you. What did Jesus tell us all about enemies?

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

I am not pinning you down or attacking you, though. Don't think that I am! I'm simply pointing out to all that shunning another also means you shun yourself, which also means you shun God.

We're all connected...

Cheers.

edit on 17/5/11 by AdamsMurmur because: grammartime!

I understand exactly where you are coming from and what you are saying. I try to refrain myself from using hateful speech because I know that it can consume a person.. but it's really hard sometimes after being constantly attacked. Do you have any tips on how to speak out against the intolerance and hate involved in mainstream religion without portraying hate yourself? Is there even a way to do that?

reply to post by chanel


First, I'd like to apologize to you on behalf of any other (self-proclaimed) Christian who has persecuted you.
THAT is NOT what Jesus taught. He taught us to LOVE. We are to LOVE our neighbors and our enemies. In this manner, we SHINE with the Light of God. We are to lead by example. Jesus did not come to condemn the world, and those who believe in Him do not have the authority to do so either.

Maybe, someday, if you get to interact with a Christian who is FILLED with the love of our Saviour, you will SEE what it is all about... rather than being preached to about it.

It's a shame that so many who claim to love the LORD lead (or have led) by such a poor example. Each and every one of them will be rewarded accordingly. If we would just follow the true teachings of Jesus the world would be a completely different place.

As for the Islam faith... no, they are not in your face now. They are not everywhere you turn... yet. BUT, they are growing. Not just in their homelands, but HERE, in the United States. And when the rapture does happen, you will be left at the mercy of those who are left unchecked... without a system to balance their power.

May God bless you and soon show you a TRUE example of what Christianity is really about.
I love you, just as Christ taught we should.

reply to post by chanel


You do realize if they are right, Your world will seize to exist and you will be cast into the pit of fire? Just asking.

Originally posted by chanel
I understand exactly where you are coming from and what you are saying. I try to refrain myself from using hateful speech because I know that it can consume a person.. but it's really hard sometimes after being constantly attacked. Do you have any tips on how to speak out against the intolerance and hate involved in mainstream religion without portraying hate yourself? Is there even a way to do that?

The way I just told you. Approach with a soft heart and open mind, and show how others go against their own beliefs. Not all are willing to listen at times when you approach them though, so it's not always possible to awaken someone at the time you reveal truths to them. Don't worry, and don't let it come to pushing and shoving.

Dust off your feet and move on.