French outraged by U.S. treatment of Strauss-Kahn

Originally posted by JerryB08
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

 

They have a rape kit, his blood, his DNA, and the fact he left everything and jumped on the first flight to France with no reservation. He has a special pass from France. She also picked the clown out of a line up after he hadn't shaved since it happened. How much evidence do you think they need? He is toast.

I'm wrong on the rape kit I think. But DNA and all the rest, He's definitely guilty. Whats his defense going to be? That he's French it's okay?

He paid "fair and square" for the "service". After realising who he is or after it gets little too rough the maid decides to get her pension on top of the pay?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

We did it to Saddam. We do it to everyone from petty criminals all the way up to bigger ones, like Bernie Madoff. I really dont think the French have any grounds to claim he is being treated any differently than we treat virtually anyone "newsworthy" accused of a crime in the US.

I'll try wording this another way-

They are not shocked that we do that with public figures
They are shocked that we do that with anyone.
In France it is illegal to do that to anyone, be they homeless unknown scum, or powerful public figures,
This is enforced and respected.

They are just shocked that we do not do something similar to protect the innocent.
They'll get over it. They just didn't know that before, now they do.
But really, the issue for them wasn't about him being treated as a commoner- it was about us even treatign commoners that way.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by JerryB08
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

 

They have a rape kit, his blood, his DNA, and the fact he left everything and jumped on the first flight to France with no reservation. He has a special pass from France. She also picked the clown out of a line up after he hadn't shaved since it happened. How much evidence do you think they need? He is toast.

I'm wrong on the rape kit I think. But DNA and all the rest, He's definitely guilty. Whats his defense going to be? That he's French it's okay?

He paid "fair and square" for the "service". After realising who he is or after it gets little too rough the maid decides to get her pension on top of the pay?

A very likely scenario. She is 32years old, so reflecting that she has to work another 30years to go with pension?? Why not..
But it remains speculation.

Originally posted by JerryB08
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I would have to be English for that remark to be accurate. For they have always been the other colonialists. Even better at it than the French. My house is made of bricks and mortar.

So wherever your from your people have never done anything bad to another group of people? Where is that exactly?

reply to post by TribeOfManyColours


Point is that people who label him "rapist" have not heard the "innocent untill proven guilty" thing. Althought it seems to be quite rare these days anyway.

Innocent untill proven guilty is a nice idea but doesn't fit every circumstance. There are instances where people are caught in the act so why should we assume innocence untill proven guilty? Thats just dumb. More and more women coming forward plus his reputation and his own actions have damned him.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
Innocent untill proven guilty is a nice idea but doesn't fit every circumstance. There are instances where people are caught in the act so why should we assume innocence untill proven guilty? Thats just dumb. More and more women coming forward plus his reputation and his own actions have damned him.

edit on 17-5-2011 by FreeSpeaker because: (no reason given)

Being a womaniser is not against the law if it were my brother would have been locked away many years ago. How do you know this man was caught in the act , how do you know what happened? Were you there? did you catch him in the act or are you going of the statement from the maid which has not been challenged in Court in front of a Jury? You have damned this man as guilty, you have acted as judge and jury.

innocent until proven guilty is not a "nice idea", but the bedrock of the judicial system.

I posted this earlier in another thread, but it relevant here so I will repost it

This stinks to high heaven, it really does. I can't believe anyone takes this story seriously. Look at it with a dispassionate eye.

here we have an intelligent guy, 62 years old so somewhat experienced in life, powerful enough with the elites to be voted head of the IMF, who was going to be running for presidency of France. This is a man who is very well connected politically and socially. Yet 20 minutes before he has a lunch appointment he decides to run out of his hotel bathroom naked and to try and rape a maid (who by the way has entered to clean a room whilst still occupied)

We have conflicting reports after the event, such as he left in haste and and abandoned his belongings, which later turns out to be he actually just left his phone. Early reports stated the hotel phoned him on behalf of the police to discover his whereabouts, to find he was at the airport and then they rushed over to arrest him, HOW did they phone him when he left his phone in the hotel? The fact he was at a lunch appointment after the hotel, and as he claimed, HE called the hotel to say he had left his phone there and could they please bring it to the airport and told them which flight he was catch. Hardly the actions of someone fleeing a crime scene.

The flight he was on was booked well in advance of the alleged assault, because he had a meeting arranged with the German chancellor to discuss the Portugal bailouts, which by the way were passed without him the day after his arrest (coincidence?)

Again look at this guy and his lifestyle, then think he is arrested, held in Harlem? Why Harlem? is the hotel in Harlem? He is refused bail even with a million dollar bond being offered, then he is sent to Rikers Island, I mean why there? Ask yourself this is say for example a senator was arrested, would they be refused bail? Would they be sent to Rikers island? It really wouldn't surprise me if he was killed in a shower there.

Then look at the background situation, apart from what is happening at the IMF (Even though he is not convicted they are talking who will be his replacement, hell they were doing it before he was even arraigned) Look at teh situation with France, Obama comes out saying France is its strongest ally, (Really?) France has taken a new direction, attacking Arab/Islamic nations, they have introduced strong anti Islamic laws there, Sarkozy is deeply unpopular because of this with the French people, yet very popular in Washington, Who was going to be the one person who could defeat Sarkozy in an election?

Stich up from start to finish

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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

innocent until proven guilty is not a "nice idea", but the bedrock of the judicial system.

Bedrock of the judicial system.

So when someone is caught in the act of murdering another person they should still be considered innocent untill proven guilty? That kind of logic is why the judicial system is a pile of garbage.

As I said, innocent untill proven guilty does not fit every circumstance.

Like another poster said, they would never have given him the perp walk if the case against wasn't solid.

And here he is


He asked for a single cell

Either way he is becoming someone's Bit**

reply to post by coquine


Dear coquine,
You said in your post that you don't care if hes innocent,as long as we are safe?

I'm assuming you don't care what happens to the innocent,until YOU are the innocent one going through public humiliation, with life long repurcussions?

Not saying he is innocent,but if he is, how terrible,and utterly criminal ,that he had to be put through such a humiliating ordeal.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker

So when someone is caught in the act of murdering another person they should still be considered innocent untill proven guilty? That kind of logic is why the judicial system is a pile of garbage.

Caught in the act by who? How reliable is the person who caught them in the act? What exactly did they get caught doing? Could they have been framed? Could the person who claimed to have caught them actually b the guilty party?
The presumption of innocence until proven guilty IS the bedrock of the judicial system and has been since the Magna Carter was signed in 1215, when that is changed to a presumption of guilt, as is happening now all over the world then we get dictatorships, we get stripped of what little chance we really have for justice, And that is why your logic is a pile of garbage

Originally posted by wedidgothacked


lol would this be happening to a american globalist if he was busted doing the dirty???


nah he'd be free to roll on and rape more women and businesses


land of the free, cause 'they' make it that way


gotta love them globalists

So true , in my opinion. How many Americans have done worse in other countries,as well as their own,and gotten away with it?

This stinks like a political set up to me, but it could be he had a scewed sense of self entitlement as far as sexual favors go,and it finally caught up to him. Personally I wish it would catch up to everyone guilty of this crime,regardless of class,power,or where they reside.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

innocent until proven guilty is not a "nice idea", but the bedrock of the judicial system.

Bedrock of the judicial system.

So when someone is caught in the act of murdering another person they should still be considered innocent untill proven guilty? That kind of logic is why the judicial system is a pile of garbage.

As I said, innocent untill proven guilty does not fit every circumstance.

Like another poster said, they would never have given him the perp walk if the case against wasn't solid.

Yep thats the beauty of the system. Even if a murderer is caught red handed, they must still go to a trial and face a jury. You have to maintain these foundations or it all comes crumbling down and you end up living in a country where you can be locked up without trial for anything. I bet you dont like that idea right?

So dont make light of such an important bedrock as Innocent untill proven guilty cos one day you might just find it bites you on the ass.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


If a murderer is caught redhanded,I would assume there is enough evidence to convict him/her.

How would you feel if you were charged ,and being innocent,did not have the "bedrock" of innocent before proven guilty?

I do think the legal system of justice is long and lengthy,expensive,and definately weighed towards those that have the most influence over it, in some cases.

I understand your frustration with it totally, yet I think you would reverse your opinion on your statement ,if it was someone you cared deeply about that was getting charged for something they are innocent of.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

innocent until proven guilty is not a "nice idea", but the bedrock of the judicial system.

Bedrock of the judicial system.

So when someone is caught in the act of murdering another person they should still be considered innocent untill proven guilty? That kind of logic is why the judicial system is a pile of garbage.

As I said, innocent untill proven guilty does not fit every circumstance.

Like another poster said, they would never have given him the perp walk if the case against wasn't solid.

Yeah they are actually since the people who "catch" the guy "in the act" are not judge and jury. They never ever have the power or right to judge anyone. That's exactly why it does fit every single circumstance ever. Also you might see how many trials end up in innocent verdict before you make assumptions about the solidness of the case at hand.

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by coquine

 

Dear coquine,
You said in your post that you don't care if hes innocent,as long as we are safe?

I'm assuming you don't care what happens to the innocent,until YOU are the innocent one going through public humiliation, with life long repurcussions?

Not saying he is innocent,but if he is, how terrible,and utterly criminal ,that he had to be put through such a humiliating ordeal.

edit on 17-5-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

I would still stand by this even if it was me. Because I recognize it isn't personal, if it is the practice with all people arrested. It is not for the protection of the public as much as protection of the police officers. (though the risk of the person getting away is relevant as well, not as much so, IMO).

In France convicted murders and child molestors get let out after a couple of years to go commit the same crimes again, so they are not perfect either.

Originally posted by JerryB08
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

 

In this country if they have enough evidence to charge you. You do the prep walk. They don't charge you here unless they are pretty darn sure that they have enough to convict you. And this loser isn't any better than the next man. But I'm sure this is also some sort of conspiracy right? lol Let me guess the maid is actually an alien CIA agent. Of course why didn't i think of that. I should have known everything that happens is a big conspiracy.

PS why does a Canadian promote slavery? EH?.

I know. Silly us to come to a conspiracy site where the moniker is 'Uncovering Government Secrets' and discuss that there may actually be some type of government conspiracy at play. Maybe you'd be better suited for the MSM forums where everything isn't a darn ole pesky conspiracy.

I don't get the angle of people with your mindset. If you believe in the governments around the world and take what they provide with no skepticism then why are you at a place dedicated to questioning the official story? What's it to you if people feel a different way?

reply to post by gabby2011


I think ,you missed my point. I was arguing that the "innocent until proven guilty", should be held up no matter what the case. It is the foundation of a justice system. The alternative is mob rule and lynchings