Are there any "Good" elites?

a reply to: vagabond50

There are some good elites...

It's the light and dark squares represented on a chessboard.
The perceived good are the light squares the dark squares represent the others.


I prefer the unseen grey area connecting them...

Its funny Gypsy says buying a house is not a asset but liability shows who every it is isnt as elite as they are pretending to be .
To buy a house you have to have a down payment once you give taht down payment the house becomes a Asset .
As now YOU DO OWN part of it Now you do pay a morgage and do end up paying amost twice what was listed .
And 35 years years later the value has rising 3 times as much so many people use this as retirement funds .

The key to being elite is Turning every thing from a liability into a asset .
Even war even starvation even making sure there are enough poor that have no choice but to clean your garbage .
In such ways slaves are made and then blame the slave for being a slave .

Sure a few lucky ones hit the life lotto some gadget program or what ever but without the theft and death of the millions before you this world would not be like it is for you to get lucky with . And without teh ones who you in your drive for the wealth you say you have make sure they don't would not even be able to flush your crap away

Bad news gypsy You need them more then they need you . without the Poor you would starve without the poor your house would be covered in trash .

The poor are who keep it all running not the rich but like any predator they take and never return as much as they take . Nature already teaches us a animal that does that is doomed to extinction .

A virus enters your body takes over the cells once it gets enough first you die then it dies It killed the thing it needed to live .

If all the poor became rich tomorrow every Government on the planet would collapse in hours .If you deport tehm all you die from the farms not being planted ( yea build teh wall lol ) who is going to pick your vegs you eat ? you sure wont ?

Tell who ? the store is stocked because Governments have made darn sure the poor stay poor so they have no choice but to pick your food .

If a few poor manage to excape no problem there are 7 billion more
Fact is 99% of the worlds people do not have 2 $ in there pocket and you honstly say oo they can get out of that ?
7 billion people below the poverty lv that makes poor in the US look rich .

talk about having your head in the sand

a reply to: midnightstar

Your post makes your class/position in life evident. A THING is not an asset if money is flowing OUT of your bank account to pay for it. It only becomes an asset at the point it starts drawing money INTO your bank account and making you an income. This is a rule that the wealthy know and live by...

And based upon your rather lengthy post, you seem to be a proponent of socialism. But that is a myth that will never give you the equality that you are seeking. Just look at every failed socialist state that has ever existed. If you still disagree, go live in Venezuela for the next 90 days and then tell me that Socialism works...

The truth is that any society will have those who are poor and those who are wealthy. Even in Communist countries... But at least under a Capitalist society, you DO have the freedom to raise your circumstances through opportunity. The US has gained more millionaires in the past 20 years through the growth of the Internet than in the past 100 years worldwide.

Anyone can gain money with ingenuity and hard work. KEEPING your money is another story. That begins with a financial education which, at its basic level, includes understanding the difference between assets and liabilities. Go ask anyone who has come from multi-generational wealth and see if I am wrong.

a reply to: vagabond50

Hell yeah.

A family has good and bad people like a city or a country does.

Ive met good people. Ive met great people. Also met scum dorks.

Wealth is nothing. If you work, you arent awesome. No matter how much you make. You work dummy.

Kiss ass, eat crap, sweat the heat, feel the grind....

Power is like magic. Making things out of thin air, like money itself.

My friends, the Lenfests, tell me they intend to give away all of their original multi-billion dollar wealth from owning Comcast.

Part of a special fraternal organization from Yale, my friend is quite a character. The most recent civic project was a Revolutionary War museum in Philadelphia. Their real philanthropy is well above my my pay grade....it is staggering.

lenfestfoundation.org...

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: vagabond50

Hell yeah.

A family has good and bad people like a city or a country does.

Ive met good people. Ive met great people. Also met scum dorks.

Wealth is nothing. If you work, you arent awesome. No matter how much you make. You work dummy.

Kiss ass, eat crap, sweat the heat, feel the grind....

Power is like magic. Making things out of thin air, like money itself.

I would argue that you aren't "awesome" if you are wealthy either. Money can become a trap to those enslaved by it....wealthy or poor.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I prefer the gray area also, labeling a argument as simple as black and white is foolish in most cases, gray the midro (miditive argument) is the proper icon on most issues, too complex for black and white to fathom.

As far as the topic at hand, are there any good elites, is simple in it's constraints, of course there are good people who have money, money does not make someone good or evil, the being has a lot to do with this.

a reply to: vagabond50

There might be, but the moment they start doing good work they get less media coverage; and if they get to much attention they risk being smeared and destroyed.

Reform has to come from grassroots education of the masses.

Those that consider themselves to be elite are really out of touch with the rest of society.

Of course, there are some, but it is very complicated, depends on your meaning of "Good".