List of Free JFK Documentaries

Phhfftt, I made that thread a while ago now.. you're just a slow reader.

Anyway, seriously, thanks for the kind words here. They are, obviously, appreciated!

I hope this thread proves helpful in some way also btw. The intention is to bring to light all of this material, some of which is lesser known about, in the hope of further educating about the various different aspects of the case and so on. Soooo.., I hope it works!

Hey goot thread. will need to watch the other videos. B.T.W. Have you played call of duty black opps? They show an intresting moment where the main guy in the game has a freak out showing him picking up a gun and aiming it at kennedy in the pentigon! That might say something. Of corse it was a hulusination in a video game. But I thought it was intresting.

Originally posted by paranormal78
Hey goot thread. will need to watch the other videos. B.T.W. Have you played call of duty black opps? They show an intresting moment where the main guy in the game has a freak out showing him picking up a gun and aiming it at kennedy in the pentigon! That might say something. Of corse it was a hulusination in a video game. But I thought it was intresting.

At the end of the game, they give hints to the main character being the other gunman that shot JFK.

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At the end of the game, they give hints to the main character being the other gunman that shot JFK.

Presumably, It's all for entertainment purposes and nothing more..

And let's just say that this game won't feature in any of my future research also.

Originally posted by BlackPoison94
reply to post by uk today

 

Rofl you said it....I want more AA!
Well, I know the next few JFK threads will be brilliant...but then after that, he's banned!

Sweetie did you say the next FEW ???

xx

reply to post by Rising Against


Some great links here.
Brilliant thread.

One thing i`ve never noticed before is the white car that in front of the Presidents car as it drives under the bridge.
It then pulls out and slows down to let the Presidents car drive past.
Wonder who was in that car ?

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Wonder who was in that car ?

Thanks for your post. I believe the gentleman you're looking for here are Bill Decker, Jesse Curry and Winston G. Lawson.

Here's an interesting piece of information about all of these men:

Bill Decker...

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Bill Decker was born in 1898. After leaving school he became a elevator operator in the Dallas courthouse. Later he was promoted to court clerk and in 1924 he became a deputy constable. In 1935 he was appointed chief deputy sheriff for Dallas County. He held that post until being elected sheriff in January, 1949.
On 22nd November, 1963, Decker rode in the backseat of the motorcade's lead car. With him in the car was Jesse Curry and Winston G. Lawson. After hearing the firing at President John F. Kennedy Decker gave the order: "Move all available men out of my office into the railroad yard... and hold everything secure until Homicide and other investigators should get there."

After Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested he was interrogated by Will Fritz. During this interview Decker phoned Fritz and ordered him to his office to receive an important message. After leaving Oswald and walking to the City Hall, Fritz had a long meeting with Decker.

In his book, The Mafia Killed President Kennedy (1988) David E. Scheim claimed that "Decker was well-connected in the underworld... Decker maintained friendships with two notorious local hoodlums and served as a character reference for Joseph Civello when the Dallas Mafia boss applied for parole on a narcotics conviction."

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Jesse Curry...

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Jesse Curry was born in 1914. After leaving Dallas Technical High School he worked for the Vitalic Battery Company. He also had his own cleaning and pressing shop before joining the Dallas police force in 1936. By taking civil service examinations he was able to gain promotions to a detective, sergeant, lieutenant of police, captain of police, inspector of police. He was sent to the FBI National Academy in Washington and in January, 1960, Curry was appointed as chief of police.

Curry was involved in the discussions with Kenneth O'Donnell (special assistant to Kennedy) and Winston G. Lawson (Secret Service) about the route of that President John F. Kennedy was to take on 22nd November, 1963. However, Curry always insisted that it was Lawson who made all the major decisions.

Curry drove the presidential motorcade's lead car and took control of the situation after the killing of Kennedy. The next day Curry told reporters that he could tell by the sound of the shots that they had come from the Texas School Book Depository.

Curry was also responsible for protecting Lee Harvey Oswald. However, he later claimed that just before Jack Ruby shot Oswald he was "called to take a phone call from Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell".

Dorothy Kilgallen later managed to obtain the Dallas Police Department radio logs for the day of the assassination. This revealed that as soon as the shots were fired in the Dealey Plaza, Curry issued an order to search the Grassy Knoll area. This contradicted what Curry had told reporters and the Warren Commission.

After viewing the Zapruder Film Curry came to the conclusion that Governor John Connally and John F. Kennedy had been hit by separate bullets. He told interviewer Tom Johnson that he was not convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy: "We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in the building (Texas School Book Depository) with a gun in his hand."

Jesse Curry, who published the book, The JFK Assassination File (1969), died of a heart attack in June, 1980.

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Winston G. Lawson...

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In 1955 Lawson returned to the Carnation Milk Company and had various sales or public relations jobs with them in Poughkeepsie. He applied to enter the Secret Service in 1956 but was not accepted until October 1959. He did general investigative work in the Syracuse area, until being transferred to Washington in March, 1961. Soon afterwards he was given responsibility for organizing the security for trips being made by President John F. Kennedy and Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson.

On 4th November Lawson was asked to prepare for the presidential trip to Dallas, Texas. This involved discussions with Kenneth O'Donnell (special assistant to Kennedy), Roy Kellerman and Jesse Curry (chief of police in Dallas). However, Curry always insisted that Winston G. Lawson was the person who made all the major decisions. This included the order that the proposed side escorts for the motorcade were to be redeployed to the rear of the cars.

Lawson drove the presidential motorcade's lead car. In a statement he made later, Lawson commented: "As the lead car was passing under this bridge I heard the first loud, sharp report and in more rapid succession two more sounds like gunfire. I could see persons to the left of the motorcade vehicles running away. I noticed Agent Hickey standing up in the follow-up car with the automatic weapon and first thought he had fired at someone. Both the President's car and our lead car rapidly accelerated almost simultaneously."

Lawson remained a member of the Secret Service until he retired. He still works as a consultant on security issues. On the 40th anniversary of the assassination he gave an interview to Michael Granberry of the Dallas Morning News.: I must have thought a million times, what could I have done to prevent it?... From Love Field to Dealey Plaza, there were 20,000 windows. How could we possibly check them all?"

Granberry's article goes on to say: "When the president's day began at the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth, a persistent drizzle had forced the Secret Service to consider covering the motorcade's cars in Dallas with protective bubbletops. (Hours later, Dallas would end up sunny.) Though the bubbletops were not bulletproof, the metal and the contour of the covering, says Lawson, would have made it difficult for a bullet to do much damage, and might have kept a gunman from even firing in the first place. So he's asked himself a million times: Why couldn't it keep raining?"

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Originally posted by uk today

Originally posted by BlackPoison94
reply to post by uk today

 

Rofl you said it....I want more AA!
Well, I know the next few JFK threads will be brilliant...but then after that, he's banned!

Sweetie did you say the next FEW ???

xx

Plenty more where this came from..

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Thanks for the info on Decker, Curry and Lawson.
I`ve never done any research on them.

reply to post by lambros56


You're welcome.

In regards to research, the links I added to my previous post in reply to you are great places to start. There's a lot of fantastic information on that website.

reply to post by Rising Against
My top suspects in this discussion now are William Gear Lee Harvey Oswald a member of our government or a time traveler from the future.

reply to post by paranormal78

My top suspects in this discussion now are William Gear Lee Harvey Oswald

I've done threads on both of these individuals btw. Here they are:

William Greer: The JFK Assassination, An Analysis: Did William Greer Shoot Kennedy?

Lee Harvey Oswald: An Analysis Into the Mind of a Suspected Killer

I really think you'd enjoy the read.

Wow, a great thread to have all these docs in one place. I've seen most, but the new ones I am looking forward to seeing, and I should really watch the others too.

I am curious though, maybe a bit off topic, but do you know if the discovery channel episode about the "magic bullet" has been debunked or validated?

Discovery Channel's reenactment of bullet CE 399's path

A Discovery Channel special "Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet", attempted to replicate, as well as possible, the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that largely undeformed bullets were possible to produce, if they were slowed by a passage through a tissue-like substance before striking bone. Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman, from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the Book Depository building, fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository, using a round from the same batch of Western Cartridge Company 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963. The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the "thigh" substance in front of the Connally figure, because it struck an extra bone in the "rib" model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation.[73]

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Anyways, S&F I'm looking forward to watching all this.

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I am curious though, maybe a bit off topic, but do you know if the discovery channel episode about the "magic bullet" has been debunked or validated?

Oh, no, It's great to discuss all areas of the case, IMO. It's not off-topic.

Anyway, to answer your question, IMO, It's been debunked. In fact, there really no doubt in my mind that this episode coming from the discovery channel in no way what so ever helps in any research, or helps in uncovering any truths concerning the JFK Assassination and/or any theory coming out of the over all case at all. Really, If I was you, I'd take everything they said with a huge pinch of salt, and that certainly isn't because they proved anything that goes against what I believe or anything like that.

It really is because they, as a company and concerning the JFK assassination, are always seemingly incredibly biased towards this case. And It's more than present in this episode you cite also.

Here's a nice, and quick, video from one of my all time favorite researchers, Bob Harris, concerning the Discovery chanel and there findings - and how biased It was. I think you would enjoy the watch. It's actually very rational and very enlightening:



Some great ideas are brought forward towards the end of the video also. Ones which I'll be bringing up in my next JFK thread.

Since you brought this up, what do you think about this Discovery Channel episode out of curiosity?

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Thanks for the reply.

I honestly think that it was... I don't know how to put it... I don't think it was conclusive of anything. I don't even have to see the video you posted from the screen shot(I will watch it, just editing this post before bed, so I'll check it our tomorrow). That honestly made me feel dumb, I knew he got hit in the neck, and that drastically changes the angle that they *didn't* recreate, I can't believe I didn't even think about it when I saw the episode. Originally I thought the shape of the bullet was more interesting then the angle, but they still can't prove that, so the shape of the bullet is still irrelevant. Also because it wasn't "pristine," just "similar", it is even more irrelevant IMO.

I've seen many "debunking" discovery/history shows, and I'm always highly skeptical of them. They never seem to "prove" anything more than some of the more fringe JFK "proof" like aliens, the mob (By themselves it's crazy. I don't doubt a mafia connection though. I just know that they weren't the brightest, it made them harder to "infiltrate" IMO. Not that they weren't though.), and the "sped up" zapruder stuff.

I'm face palming myself right now, lol.

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Thanks for the reply again also.

I'm a bit busy right now so I may have to rush this post, but I just wanted to get at least something up in reply...

and the "sped up" zapruder stuff.

Anyway, here's the, I believe, unedited version of the Zapruder film. If you watch, you'll notice quite clearly the subtle differences between this one and the one we're constantly shown - specifically the first shot and when It struck Kennedy:



And in regards to the mob, well, I personally think they helped a lot in regards to ridding the world of Kennedy. I went onto explain why I think so in this post here from another thread also. Please take the time to read if you can, I tried to explain how they were in a position to kill him and so on. I hope It'll prove enlightening.

I can't believe I didn't even think about it when I saw the episode.

Don't worry about it.

Almost every single person who watched it didn't notice anything out of the ordinary you see. It's actually very smart of the discovery channel to do this. They say something and claim It's fact, and then they allegedly show the evidence for it (which is the red line), and because we actually saw the line with our own eyes, we trust it and thus automatically believe it.

It doesn't ever quite occur to us that we were shown it for only a split second, not to forget It's completely inconsistent with the real injuries sustained. Something clearly shown once stopping the video.

reply to post by Rising Against

I`m just amazed at all the link s you`ve posted and intend to start on the ones you`ve pointed out to me.
I noticed something you say in another thread about " Did Jackie Kennedy shoot him ".
I know it sounds daft but i`ve always had thoughts on this .

reply to post by lambros56

I noticed something you say in another thread about " Did Jackie Kennedy shoot him ".
I know it sounds daft but i`ve always had thoughts on this .

Here's the thread I did on William Greer again. I showed a lot of close ups of inside of the car so It's worth a look: The JFK Assassination, An Analysis: Did William Greer Shoot Kennedy?

I was going to do a separate thread on just Jackie but really, there isn't much point. There isn't anything of value that actually points to her being the shooter at all. Not to forget that if she was the shooter, she would've had to find the weapon, for some reason shoot the man whom she loved in the forehead, and somehow escape all the eyes looking straight at her from quite literally all angles. Oh, and then hide the weapon again.

You see, It just isn't plausible is it? The same logic can be applies to Greer also.

All of the witnesses, even those inside the car thought the second shot came from the grassy knoll area. Most of the witnesses themselves ended up running up there in search of the shooter immediately after the assassination as shown in this pic:

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And police officers were ordered to search the grassy knoll position also.

So, It's great to discuss all angles of the case, and if you want, I can try and write up a thread on Jackie still, but I really don't think It's plausible she was involved in any way whatsoever.

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Yeah, i imagine your right as you`ve researched more than me.
Again thanks for the links.

reply to post by lambros56

Yeah, i imagine your right as you`ve researched more than me.
Again thanks for the links.

I still consider myself a new researcher to the case though, so I'm always happy to see new opinions and ideas brought forward. Especially on issues I disagree with...

This being so, I'd love to hear yours still.

Either way, I hope you get a chance to read the other links.