Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'

reply to post by Another_Nut


Err... That does attack the message. I am surprised you didn't get that.

Grimpachi
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Err... That does attack the message. I am surprised you didn't get that.

No that's a couple of guys who like to bash new age mumbojumbo . Which is totally ok if you are into that sort of thing

I am stating a reasonable deduction from the premise

"If the universe is infinite"

reply to post by Another_Nut

I am stating a reasonable deduction from the premise

Sure you are.

It must just be happenstance that you sound EXACTLY like some new age Guru with zero evidence to form even a basis.

Grimpachi
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I am stating a reasonable deduction from the premise

Sure you are.

It must just be happenstance that you sound EXACTLY like some new age Guru with zero evidence to form even a basis.

edit on 21-1-2014 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

Those with little knowledge are easily confused

Please expand on this accusation

What exactly is so confusing to you?

Infinite and consiounessness?

Center, universe, where exactly am i going new age?


Just because someone uses their big words doesn't equate to new age munbojumbo

So where exactlydo you disagree with according to my premise?

reply to post by Another_Nut


Lets see you stated.

If we live in an infinite universe

Then our individual consciousness is the point in which infinite is divided into two

Therefore we ( each individual consciousness ) are the center of of our own respective universe

So lets break it down.

If we live in an infinite universe

That is probably true but debateable. Some of the greatest minds of our time ponder that question which I don't believe you are on that list nor an authority in any field to state such. I guess that is why you said "IF".

Then our individual consciousness is the point in which infinite is divided into two

Great then you shouldn't have any problem providing the evidence for that.

Therefore we ( each individual consciousness ) are the center of of our own respective universe

Still debateable and entirely contingent on proving/providing evidence on your previous assertion.

(have at it Guru)

Tephra
If religion is going to persist, I think they're going to need to have a revolution, a new era bible. Just like how the bible plagiarized and revamped all the old fairytales from religions past. This new fairy tale will have to modernize it.

We know what lies beyond the sky now, the sky always being the symbol of heaven, despite how infantile that seems to us now.

It's just sad really, so many people have been duped to believing water vapor floating in the sky is some type of alternate world.

It's sad that you believe that.

For me, God lies outside space time beyond this universe and all that's in it. He's not anchored in these three (or four counting time) dimensions. He's extradimensional.

My conception of Heaven is something outside this narrow notion of reality and it's bindings. It has nothing to do with some big bearded man in the sky and clouds. Personally, I think it's atheists who are anchored there because that's what they're most comfortable with.

ketsuko
It's sad that you believe that.

Sad for you maybe.

Not sad for the person involved. And from my perspective, it's great to see people rejecting the shackles of religious dogma.

Give it a generation or two, and I expect to see many, many more!

Id always hoped we were multidimensional.. And once your energy releases from your body that it might be obsobred too your other dimensional conciousness.... Well thats what id hoped.

There is more reason to be scared of death if you actually believe in an afterlife, not vice versa, so what Steven Hawking stated is absolute bull.
In my opinion, the chance of hellfire is a scarier thought than lights out, worm food and nothing more, so that's not only just an opinion, but fictional observance.
At least I have the decency to admit it is an opinion.

Secondly what's it matter to him what people believe about possible life after death. How will that affect his world.
His remarks have no merit in science, seeing as whether he is right or wrong, how does that change anything in the world of science?
It doesn't.

Also people have said it is just a control mechanism.
Let's look at a couple points about that;
1)Even so, if that stops people from unrighteousness murder & paedophila then what's the problem with that?
Ok, people shouldn't do that anyways but guess what?... They do!

2)"People can just ask for God's or a priest's forgiveness and they feel they can get away with anything!"
Who says? Hollywood? The Uneducated? Well then it must be true.
Personally I've never heard of a single case of an unrighteousness murderer nor a paedophile being forgiven! (Vatican cover ups are a different agenda completely and do not deal in a majorative sense...not does it entail forgiveness so it's not a valid argument for those who will contemplate such)

Basically, if anything, what Mr.Hawking is claiming actually just gives free reign to do whatever, no consequences!
How many paedophiles/child murderers are never caught?
Well according to Mr.Hawking they have nothing to worry about, they will just go unpunished. (Anyone contemplating saying "life is like that sometimes", well that is the atheist equivalent to "God works in mysterious ways" and will not be accepted as debate, in fact it will be considered the argument of a paedophile sympathiser in my eyes).

Finally who is he anyways? What are his qualifications in the unknown?
Even in his field of theoretical physics he has a sketchy success rate at best!
I don't know what makes him credible on such a subject, when most his scientific theories are a load of cods wallop aswell.(black holes & alternate/multiple universes to name two major theories that most still believe his original view when they've been disproven or remain unproven beliefs, showing that most who listen to the man actually have limited scientific knowledge and just take his word for it because of his name).

Personally, he is a killjoy, who's opinions are strewn about debates like they're absolute fact.

Here is a breakdown of his opinions, and basis for his arguments;
1)If aliens come, they are most likely to be murderous?
Why?
Because I judge the unknown by a 500year old human standard!

2)Black holes are a universal vacuum cleaner, sucking up all in its path!
Really? Why is that?
Because I assume it to be true and do not account for gravitational laws revolving around mass of an object!

3)We live in a multi-verse!
Really, how so?
Erm....I'll get back to you on that!

Believe what you like people, "the worlds greatest scientist" does exactly the same thing!

reply to post by Grimpachi


draw a straight line

then imagine that line extends to infinity in both directions

put a dot on that line

that dot represents your consciousness

did you not just divide the infinite into two equal but still infinite parts?

with you at the center

reply to post by Another_Nut


Here is the key word which your entire premise is based off of "imagine"!!!

Where is the "evidence"???


You do not even have the makings of a scientific hypothesis because at this time you can not test it.

You do have a working hypothesis worthy of future research.

reply to post by Grimpachi


"Still debateable and entirely contingent on proving/providing evidence on your previous assertion. "

that assertion being that

"Then our individual consciousness is the point in which infinite is divided into two "

which you have (now) agreed with (in a round about moving goal posts way)

so now the only question is

is the universe infinite

you now want to make "imagine" something its not

since you cant draw an infinite line you must "imagine"

it has nothing to do with anything. especially not like you want to make it

you were correct the first time

this is all contingent on "if" the universe is infinite

since the universe is either infinite or not infinite

i have a 50/50 chance of being correct

again im not stating fact im stating "if"

its ok to admitt im not talking like a guru (which was your assertion)

but "if " the universe is infinite then my assertions (by your admission)

could be called correct

eta i have no evidence the universe is infinite i will wait for the science on that one (as should you before you make up your mind)

Hawkins is a bitter twisted gnome for no fault of his own. Yes hes right there is no Heaven but then for him there is the prospect of one day escaping from Hell.

reply to post by Another_Nut


Wow. lol

No you definitely were speaking like a Guru.

"If" and "imagine".


I asked for evidence which you never supplied but you did come up with an imaginary line and a statement which you can't provide evidence for.

Then our individual consciousness is the point in which infinite is divided into two

To be clear that is what you need to provide evidence for. It is your statement.

Your telling me a handicap disabled man has a chip on his shoulders against heaven and God? And whos surprised

reply to post by Grimpachi


you make no sense and just dont want to admitt you were wrong

thats ok happens all the time

we will try again

draw an infinite line

put a dot on that line

have you not just divided the infinite into two equal but infinite parts?

there no more "imagine"

feel better?

now answer my question

reply to post by Another_Nut





I don't think you get it.


Prove that consciousnesses divides into two.

Can you even prove consciousnesses can divide?

Proving Infinity does not even matter unless you can.

reply to post by Grimpachi


if consciousness arises from the mind (as science says)

then you (a conscious being) are a point in infinity

i see you wont answer my question

wonder why?

good day

reply to post by Another_Nut



Your question makes no sense or bearing in what I originally asked you.

You cannot divide consciousness unless I missed where you provided the evidence that it can.

If I missed that then please post it again otherwise I don't see this going anywhere.


BTW a good Guru will throw in some scientific fact with a load of BS. The added BS is what makes them a guru.

reply to post by Grimpachi


I see what your problem is

No reading comprehension

Please quote where i said anything about dividing consciousness

I talk about dividing infinite

Please reread and understand before trying to refute