what is wrong with the time the sunsets??

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"Cloud seeding," or more aptly "weather modification" exists, you are correct. But this is not "chemtrailing" as "chemtrailing" does not exist. www.abovetopsecret.com...

No evidence exists of "chemtrails" as opposed to contrails.

And contrails are not weather modification, they are purely weather.

Furthermore, "cloud seeding" is not dangerous

What are the environmental and health effects of seeding material?

Minimal. The most common seeding material, silver iodide, is used in very minute amounts. The typical concentration of silver in rainwater or snow from a seeded cloud is less than 0.1 microgram per liter (one part in 10,000,000,000). This is well below the acceptable concentration of 50 micrograms per liter, set by the U. S. Public Health Service. Many regions have much higher concentrations of silver in the soil than are found in precipitation from seeded clouds. The concentration of iodine in iodized salt used on food is far above the concentration found in precipitation from a seeded storm. National Environmental Policy Act compliance for all cloud seeding environmental impacts has been demonstrated by past studies. The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation (USBR) extensively studied environmental and health impacts4;5;6. The toxicity of silver and silver compounds (from silver iodide) was shown to be of low order. According to the USBR, the tiny amounts of silver used in cloud seeding are 100 times less than industry emissions into the atmosphere in many parts of the country, or individual exposure from tooth fillings. Accumulations in the soil, vegetation, and surface runoff have not been large enough to measure above natural background7. A 1995 environmental assessment in the Sierra Nevada of California8 and a 2004 study in Australia confirmed these earlier findings.

What about interference with nature?

These questions often ignore the fact that human activities have caused inadvertent weather modification for many centuries. A recent National Research Council report20 states that “there is ample evidence that inadvertent weather and global climate modification (e.g., greenhouse gases affecting global temperatures and anthropogenic aerosols affecting cloud properties) is a reality.” Even the simple act of cultivating a farm field alters local climate. Intentional weather modification, particularly of the form practiced in winter seeding, alters the environment far less than the accumulated effects of inadvertent weather modification. Indeed, cloud seeding in California may have been partially compensating for precipitation losses from the inadvertent weather modification brought on by air pollution21.

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Thank you, I do value input that Phage puts forth. His posts are well thought out and researched and I had not seen that one. Perhaps chemtrails was a poor word choice. What I was trying to point out was that humans, especially in the past few hundred years have been polluting the atmosphere to a point that it is affecting everything. The air, land and water are all being affected, as you pointed out with global warming and ice melt. Is it that hard to conceive that pollutants in the atmosphere could be causing the twilight to last longer? Making some think sunsets are off.

There is a very broad definition of chemtrailing. Cloud seeding, as I mentioned earlier is a form of chemtrailing. They use silver oxide and C02 to modify weather. Pollutants in the atmosphere could cause contrails to last longer. ( Particles attaching to water vapor) China was cloud seeding in advance of the Olympics in Beijing to prevent rain during the games.

Instead of pointing out a fallacy with evidence to sway one's opinion, you attacked my post with an absurd comment about unicorns and such, much like a troll. I come here to consider different opinions and possibilities. Maybe learn a few things along the way. Ridicule does not make good debate and people tend not to learn from someone who tries to belittle them. Having that said, thank you for directing me to the thread above.

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I respectfully disagree in the statement of cloud seeding is not chemtrailing. Spraying chemical combinations into the atmosphere in any concentration that affects weather is chemtrailing. Thats just my opinion.

reply to post by leemachino


Although I disagree with the nomenclature, I actually respect your opinion.

Allow me to apologize for assuming you meant something you did not.

Your definition is very much different from what people mean when they usually refer to "chemtrails."

reply to post by speaknoevil07


Everything here is as normal as can be in that regard.

I wouldn't delve too deep.

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that's so funny, my wife said last nite that the "sun was still out"!

it was only 6:30pm.

it is frikin may, right?

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i remember 8:30-9pm was sunset at it's height in ma.

i will have to watch better.

Originally posted by kdog1982
Whoa!
That is to weird.I just watch a show on if the earth stopped spinning today.
It's was scary.
I will try to find it and a link for you all.

It was Aftermath: When the Earth Stops Spinning on National Geographic Channel

channel.nationalgeographic.com...

The Earth revolves at 1,000 miles an hour. But what if it significantly slowed and eventually stopped? Sea levels at the equator drop and locations surrounded by water would dry out. With a loss of atmosphere, the Earth could no longer support human life. And each side of the Earth will be stuck in day or night for six months at a time. The dark side is lethally cold and the light side is bathed in deadly solar radiation. See how humans and creatures might cope in this changing world. Read more: channel.nationalgeographic.com...

edit on 15-5-2011 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)

saw that too, i think we would notice.

reply to post by speaknoevil07


I'm a sungazer so I watch every sunset/sunrise.. and I can tell you that everything is normal. (at least for the last few months) Trust me, there's nothing unusual.

Originally posted by Kharron
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Hah that's funny, I was just talking to my wife about it being opposite!

We used to live up in Washington State and it would stay light much later, but now that we've moved to Cali a few years ago the sun sets MUCH earlier! In fact, it will be dark here when I call my family up north and they are still hanging out outside in full daylight.

Interesting how we all perceive things differently, I definitely see it as as less light and not more.

Khar

In Cali you are closer to the equator.

Did you hear how the sun rose two days early up in Greenland??
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Originally posted by violet

Originally posted by Kharron
reply to post by speaknoevil07

 

Hah that's funny, I was just talking to my wife about it being opposite!

We used to live up in Washington State and it would stay light much later, but now that we've moved to Cali a few years ago the sun sets MUCH earlier! In fact, it will be dark here when I call my family up north and they are still hanging out outside in full daylight.

Interesting how we all perceive things differently, I definitely see it as as less light and not more.

Khar

In Cali you are closer to the equator.

I primarily live in Washington, but I also stay in southern California about 3-4 months out of the year.

I experience both, and it is due to the distance relative to the equator as violet stated.

It's kinda lame, like I have to go through daylight savings time more than most people

I hate DST

reply to post by Trublbrwing

Welcome to the dark side. EVERYTHING is out of synch. The Sun. The Moon. The weather. The birds and the bees........the list is endless. Very few are noticing and when they do there is an immediate deluge of disinformation coming their way. You have two options now, follow your gut and hold on tight or let go and sink into the abyss with the rest of the sheep.

Oh yes! Exactly how I feel about it. Live here in the Pacific NW and when it's not raining, stays light till after 9PM and begins getting light well before 5AM. Seems like much further into summer, but the weather at night seems to be unseasonably cold, feels more like fall than spring. There was another thread in which it was explained that the sun's light is now mysteriously lacking the red spectrum that we all knew growing up that was responsible for producing a beautiful orange, yellow, golden sunlight, now it is more like a halogen bulb, producing a bright piercing silver light which is hard to look at, and does seem to penetrate the skin with a more intense sensation of heat. Also, the course of the sun does seem to have changed, moving from an extreme NE position when first coming up, swinging towards the south, hanging low in the sky as it passes through the day and then at the end of the day, sweeps up to the NW before setting. Many other notable changes in nature too, much to long to list here. But, you get the idea. Despite all the supposedly rational explanations attempting to explain away these changes, something tells me that things are way out of balance - things I've never seen before in my lifetime.

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your first error is using calculations for new-york , when you live in west virginia

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please reseach the differences between civil , nautical and astronomic twillight [ url=http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/sunrise-sunset-civil-nautical-astronomical.html] link [/url]

Absolutely Bang On...
My Misses and me keep saying our body clocks are messed up by a big margin, Its still light here in London, England gone 9pm. And I have just used the calculater on this thread an it says sunset 7.47pm. We have been noticing it for ages. Also it can be freezing cold outside but when the sun is directly on you its very hot. We have had quite a few days in the 70s lately and I know so many people who have been totally burnt by this 70 degree heat. My Misses and myself included. Im half Spanish, have Olive skin and never burn. Im a scaffolder and can normally work all day in 90 degree heat with my shirt off without burning normally. I had my shirt off the other day for two hours when it was 70 degrees and burnt. When its quite cold outside on days, I also notice when I get in my car its red Hot.
And to top it off the moons line of shadow rotates to the right all through the night, and has done since November 2010. I have wrote a couple of threads about this.

Where I live the sun didn't rise today. Everyone just thought it was cloudy. Didn't read anything about it on the news though. Just shows you how easy it is to cover up something like this.

Originally posted by Dinoman
Absolutely Bang On...
My Misses and me keep saying our body clocks are messed up by a big margin, Its still light here in London, England gone 9pm. And I have just used the calculater on this thread an it says sunset 7.47pm. We have been noticing it for ages. Also it can be freezing cold outside but when the sun is directly on you its very hot. We have had quite a few days in the 70s lately and I know so many people who have been totally burnt by this 70 degree heat. My Misses and myself included. Im half Spanish, have Olive skin and never burn. Im a scaffolder and can normally work all day in 90 degree heat with my shirt off without burning normally. I had my shirt off the other day for two hours when it was 70 degrees and burnt. When its quite cold outside on days, I also notice when I get in my car its red Hot.
And to top it off the moons line of shadow rotates to the right all through the night, and has done since November 2010. I have wrote a couple of threads about this.

Wow, this sounds like weather, and the fact the northern hemisphere is weeks away from it's longest day. Someone needs to debunk this weather conspiracy! Weather is happening every day and people are starting to notice! I predict that soon we'll have a portion of news programs dedicated to weather as the MSM will be unable to cover it up any longer!

Originally posted by Dinoman
Absolutely Bang On...
My Misses and me keep saying our body clocks are messed up by a big margin, Its still light here in London, England gone 9pm. And I have just used the calculater on this thread an it says sunset 7.47pm.

We are a month away from mid-summer with sunset changing by 1-2 minutes per day. Twilight accounts for the lightness untill late into the night, even though the sun set just before 8pm it isn't fully dark for at least another hour afterwards.

But nope. Definitely not earth changes! Can't be the fact that the long nights creep up on everyone at this time of year unless your job is entangled with astronomical phenomena like mine is. Combine the clocks going forward with the rubbish weather we have this time of year and you don't think of it as summer. It still feels like the tail end of winter, weather-wise. When in reality we are almost mid-summer.

To the guy mentioning civil and nautical twilight. There isn't really any need for the average person to know the definitions of the different twilight brackets. Even the nautical one isn't particularly used at sea anymore (civil twilight gives better chances of star sights than nautical twilight). Twilight is simply the period of time when the sun is below the visible horizon but still lights up the sky.