Israeli forces have fired on protesters at borders of Palestinian Territories, Syria, and Lebanon

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by slugger9787

 

Israel is a democracy just like us.
we support and defend them for that reason.

For one: We are no longer a democracy, both parties are controlled by the same economic oligarchy.

The majority of jews have said that they do not support what the Israeli government does, as it's government has been co-oped like ours has been.

So yes, we do defend them, but not because they are a democracy.

Deny ignorance my friend

I couldn't of said it better my self. This news is very worrying. This is just the start...

Off topic: doesnt the person in the top left corner of the bbc article vid look like this guy

Lol, Syrian regime kills Syrian protesters by the hundreds and nobody on ATS makes a sound.
Then the IDF kills two protesters due to them breaking the border and crossing into Israel's sovereign territory and you guys are having an anti-Israel orgy. How typical.

If the IDF really wanted Syrian casualties it would've sent a squad to spray live rounds all-over the area. The IDF did not want this, they simply wanted the protesters to turn back.

Check for yourselves what happened in the Lebanese border. Most of the dead protesters were killed in that border, by the Lebanese army. Are they evil Zionists too?

reply to post by IsraeliGuy


You are absolutely right and that's my opinion. Zionists have infiltrated all the more extraordinary Muslim terrorist organizations, why? There is no religion in the world except the one that urges its believers to conceal their faces and kill other people. No religion calls for blood sacrifice of the people ... hmm ... wait ... yes it is a religion and it is called Satanism or Talmudic religion? or am I wrong?

Talmud Quotes

Here are some direct referenced quotes from Judaism's Talmud. They speak for themselves:

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.
--Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.
--Rabbi Menachen, Comments for the Fifth Book

Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing: he has such respect for that book.
--Tractate Mechilla/Me'ilah

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.
--Libbre David 37

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.
--Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D

On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle.
--Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII

When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.
--Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156

That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general. A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.
--Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348

If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.
--Tosefta, Aboda Zara, VIII, 5

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.
--Yalkut 245c

Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
--Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L

A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.
--Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.
--Gad. Shas. 2:2

Do not save Goyim in danger of death.
Show no mercy to the Goyim.
--Hilkkoth Akum X1

He who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null.1
--Nedarim 23b

This last Talmud extract refers to the prayer of "Kol Nidre" that is recited and sung as part of the day of atonement celebrations. Promises are then no longer binding before God. In other words, it's now fine before God to lie at will for the following twelve months.

As is easily discernable from these extracts from the Jewish holy Talmud, it instructs Jews to have domination over gentiles, to be inherently the ruling class, as it were. The passages of good will sometimes quoted by Jews and Rabbis as evidence of good will are clarified in the Talmud as being only towards other Jews, not goy. They know it and are committing a lie of omission. "God's chosen" are told in the Talmud to deceive the Goy, particularly in regard to the truth of the Talmud itself. Its contents must be vigorously denied, to protect other of "God's chosen" from persecution. (Circular reasoning again)

Judaism does not fit the previous dictionary definitions of a religion. It lays out the philosophy that Jews are the rulers of humanity and are to claim their rightful status by whatever deceptive means it takes. Pure sociopathic mentality. Right down to calling the Palestinian genocide the "Middle East Peace process". The true Creator of the Universe obviously does not need acreage in the Middle East. Nor does the Creator need to wage war against his other creations through means as this. A convenient Judaic God indeed!

The only thing all this theology has protected is the Judaism "Theology Virus" itself. It hasn't protected the Jews at all, quite the contrary. It is the reason they, and no others, have been exiled throughout history from every country in Europe and have been the target of numerous pogroms. It's the most "anti Semitic" threat to Jews, yet they retreat to it for protection.

An old political manipulative trick used by brutal rulers from Julius Caesar through to Hitler is to create an enemy, then provide protection from it. It can be convincingly argued that Jews are a smart bunch. Intelligent men of any persuasion like to think they would not be tricked by cheap emotional trickery, but reason is no match for fear and fight for survival in the Human species. Judaism has these elements built in.

Talmud

I personally feel sorry for Israeli citizens who don't agree with all this. Just like US citizens, they have to deal with the decisions of their government. The outside world (from what I read) seriously dislikes Americans. And also from what I read, the outside world is seriously starting to dislike Israeli citizens.

I'm not saying I know this as fact, but I'm willing to bet many Israeli's wouldn't have a problem with a 2-state solution. But the problem is that Israel will never go back to its 1948 borders.



Borders of Israel from 1946 to 1999.

I also feel bad for the Gazan's. They are literally being denied human rights by Israel. Anytime someone tries to bring humanitarian aid, the Israeli's stop them. All the time in international waters, which is piracy. The Mavi Marmara was attacked and 9+ were killed. Including an American citizen. Oh Israel's government was quick to say its poor IDF soldiers were attacked with sticks and pillows and feathers and had a right to murder. They even gave awards to the soldiers involved. Now on May 15th, another aid ship, "The Spirit of Rachel Corrie" was AGAIN intercepted in international waters. Israeli Naval ships opened fire (indirect fire) and now the ship is just sitting dead in international waters. They were carrying sewage pipes to help rebuild Gaza's non-functioning sewage system.

And all this as seen as "ok" from Israel. They have to defend themselves by destroying others. They celebrate this. They love this. Think I'm wrong? Here. America has done things, but I don't ever recall the people dancing and celebrating in the streets. And please don't respond with the staged Bin Laden assassination celebration.



And this video also shows that its not just the Arabs who are "out to destroy".



And finally.. a video that makes me want to puke. Lovely little Israeli boys harassing someone on their land.




But don't forget ladies and gentlemen... Israel is the victim here. And this is specifically why I don't agree with them (the IDF) shooting ANY protesters. If they posed an immediate threat, firing weapons at them, then fire warning shots. You don't kill 14+ people (NOT 2) because they are throwing rocks at your tanks. Bullets from an Israeli rifle are no different than bullets from a Libyan rifle.

If we are going to intervene in Libya, then we must in Syria and Israel too. Else we should just get the hell out of the entire area and let them solve their own problems. Pull out of Iraq, and Afghanistan. Cut off all aid to all Middle Eastern countries and end all trade with them as well. Let them sort out their own mess. We have a big enough mess at home.

reply to post by stavis


I would check your sources before posting random quotes. This is what I could find after searching for a few hours. Seems like most of it is not real.

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.
--Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

This is not the Talmud, clearly, as you're referencing the Zohar

The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.
--Rabbi Menachen, Comments for the Fifth Book
OK, a comment (which I doubt is true based on all the other quotes)…but what's the point?

Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing: he has such respect for that book.
--Tractate Mechilla/Me'ilah

This is quite long, but it seems to talk about things like sacrifice, and idolatry (before I stopped reading). The above quote seems like it would be out of place. But feel free to correct me:
www.scribd.com...

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.
--Libbre David 37

Again, not the Talmud, and I could not, in earnest find any reference to a book Libbre David and a religious text site.

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.
--Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D

Again, nothing I can find with that book name in the talmud or other jewish text (other than that one quote you provided being returned in google search. Fake?)

On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle.
--Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII

Finally, our first actual Talmud book. Unfortunately, after reading part VIII (very boring), there is nothing similar to this quote. The tractate talks about setting up an area around your house where you're allowed to carry things on the Sabbath that you would not normally be allowed to carry. The only reference I can see to non-jewish people is:

If a man leave his house and goes to take his Sabbath-rest in another town (without previously joining in the Erub), be he a Gentile or an Israelite, he thereby prevents the other inmates of his court from carrying within it. Such is the dictum of R. Meir.
R. Jehudah saith: "He does not prevent the others."
R. Jose saith: "A Gentile prevents the others, but an Israelite does not, as it is not usual for an Israelite to return on the day of rest."
R. Simeon saith: Even if the man left his house and had gone to take his Sabbath-rest with his daughter, in the same town, he does not prevent the other inmates, since he has in thought renounced his abode for the time being.

So form what I gather, one rabbi says that if a person (jewish or not), goes to another town where he is not part of this "area where you can carry things on sabbath" then no one is allowed to carry things
Another rabbi then says, no, the person (jewish or not jewish) does not prevent other from carrying things
And a third rabbi says, if the traveler is not jewish, then he prevents people from carrying things, if he is jewish, then he doesn't.
Then a fourth rabbi says, he doesn't prevent people from carrying things
www.sacred-texts.com...

When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.

--Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156

This isn't part of the Talmud, but another book of laws. I couldn't find the text online, but I did find someone explaining it:
Schulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a gentile in his clutches another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile according to our law belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
This quotation is so wildly distorted--almost beyond recognition--that it barely squeaked past being included in Part A. The Shulchan Aruch is discussing the laws of unfair business practice. The question on the table there is, to what extent a Jew may go to divert a business account held by his Jewish competitor from a Gentile customer. The passage there reads as follows, "If someone has an account with a Gentile, there are locales that forbid another Jew from interfering and attempting to divert the account away, in some locales, however, they permit this and allow a Jew to approach the Gentile and extend him loans, to do business with him, to offer monetary incentives in order to divert the business to himself, because the Gentiles' business is free and open to all who wish to get it."
- www.daveneta.com...

That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general. A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.
--Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348

Same as above:
Shulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
No such statement in that section or any other section of the Shulchan Aruch.
- www.daveneta.com...
If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.
--Tosefta, Aboda Zara, VIII, 5

There is no chapter 8 in Abuda Zara
-www.sacred-texts.com...

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.
--Yalkut 245c

Other Midrash commentary, I could not find online

Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
--Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L

I don't see this Midrash anywhere. The only quote online associated with it is the one you posted, which leads me to think it's not real

A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.
--Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

Same reference as earlier but different quote…seems fishy.

A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.
--Gad. Shas. 2:2

not even sure where to go finding what Gad Shas is a reference too

Do not save Goyim in danger of death.
Show no mercy to the Goyim.
--Hilkkoth Akum X1


He who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null.1
--Nedarim 23b

This one is actually true, but incomplete. The very next lines pretty much say this wouldn't occur..
"PROVIDING THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW. But if he remembers, he has cancelled the declaration and confirmed the vow?2  — Abaye answered: Read: providing that it is not remembered at the time of the vow. Raba said, After all, it is as we said originally.3  Here the circumstances are e.g., that one stipulated at the beginning of the year, but does not know in reference to what. Now he vows. Hence, if he remembers [the stipulation] and he declares: 'I vow in accordance with my original intention', his vow has no reality. But if he does not declare thus, he has cancelled his stipulation and confirmed his vow."

- www.come-and-hear.com...

So it's kind of like a paradox. At the beginning of the year, you can say you won't keep any vows, providing that when you make the future vow you remember your pledge that you wouldn't keep it. If you don't remember your pledge, then you must keep your vow. If you do remember your pledge, then you can't make the vow.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy

Lol, Syrian regime kills Syrian protesters by the hundreds and nobody on ATS makes a sound. Then the IDF kills two protesters due to them breaking the border and crossing into Israel's sovereign territory and you guys are having an anti-Israel orgy. How typical.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Probably about a dozen more if you use this high-tech thing called a search.

Plus there were 12 killed not two, and over 80 wounded. Just because your aiming to shoot protesters in the legs does not make it any better.

Check for yourselves what happened in the Lebanese border. Most of the dead protesters were killed in that border, by the Lebanese army. Are they evil Zionists too?

No, If you want us to know this you can go copy and paste the link yourself. No link? then these are just idle words.

Stop thinking ATS members have nothing better to do that correct you. Bring some facts to the table, and do your own research

Ironic that the Syrians can go to Israel and protest but if they do it in the streets of thier own capital they are shot dead.