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Originally posted by gandhi
God is the concept of a creator. To say god is an alien is to go right back to square one.
Originally posted by freedish
"its official"...lol
Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
I haven't read the whole thread, but I would like to ask the OP (and those that agree with him) to consider what is called "The First Cause."
If you accept the big bang theory, then what caused. What happened one hour, one minute, one second before the Big Bang.
One cannot logically discuss the existence or non-existence of God without considering this.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
Originally posted by googolplex
reply to post by frugal
Electricty is not always there.
So if you can't see it, might not be there. Don't be standing in water when you check, to see for sure.
I missed something, please elaborate.
Originally posted by LadyTrick
I had no problem reading this as I found your ideas and thoughts interesting. I did see some flaws and problems and almost contradictions but generally I like the out of the box thinking which is always refreshing.
Reading it I was thinking maybe the sin was that our species was just too destructive? And we are being contained on this planet as punishment? We arn't exactly great at looking after this planet and there is always a war on somewhere.
Or Maybe we are just an experiment and our species is spread across hundreds of planets. They just watch and take note and the research collectively will enhance their own species. Like we do to mice.
Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by itsthetooth
You know what explains all of this FAR better than Aliens or God? Natural Evolution...why is it you didn't even consider that, but are debating two speculative mythologies instead?
Originally posted by majormojo500
Oh man please please go break that very long OP into paragraphs that can be easily read or scanned, I used to do the same thing so you are not alone, but really I would love to read what you have to say but it is just too frustrating to try and stay focused on such a long run on. OK?
Originally posted by ellieN
reply to post by itsthetooth
Now..that was interesting!! To my surprise, some of it ..were things I had been thinking myself. Amazing! Now, maybe I won't feel so guilty thinking that way.
Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by itsthetooth
Technology now adays is making you think like that, we could of been primitive until we got wiped out and had to start over
Originally posted by Equinox99
reply to post by itsthetooth
Do you know how this is supposed to work when you say it is official? The onus of proof is on you to provide all the evidence to change our minds from God was the creator to God was an alien. You coming on here saying This is official would mean that you have indecisive evidence that God was an alien. I did not see that and since you are the one asking for proof I am going to assume you have no evidence yourself.
Originally posted by 12 stranded dna
reply to post by itsthetooth
there are three races on earth. there is the sons of man, mankind and human beings. its funny little wayne has a video saying i am not a human being. google dr delbert blair supreme being. he explains it all. also listen to kanye west power video its saying the same thing!
Originally posted by itsthetooth
Originally posted by 12 stranded dna
reply to post by itsthetooth
there are three races on earth. there is the sons of man, mankind and human beings. its funny little wayne has a video saying i am not a human being. google dr delbert blair supreme being. he explains it all. also listen to kanye west power video its saying the same thing!
Can you define the differences ???
Originally posted by DigitalSea
I feel Jesus in my heart. Lo, just kidding, someone had to say it because you told us not to say it. My thoughts on the matter is that there is no God. Why would a God that loves us so much allow so many bad things to happen, place so many restrictions and rules on us and send us to a place called hell where you will suffer for all eternity, doesn't sound like the actions of a loving man.
What even irks me about religion more is that people claim the bible is some kind of accurate depiction of how their great father created the Earth and it's inhabitants and quirks. If the bible is so holy why is it constantly being updated and added too? If it were a true depiction of the past, why is there so many different versions and why are parts of supposed creational history amended and sometimes removed?
Much like people woke up about the 9/11 attacks, people need to wake up themselves to an even bigger false flag.. religion. Scientology is the perfect example of how people will believe anything if you use enough persuasive words.
MTDNA only holds a very limited portion of all mothers of your lineage. A baseline was easy to determine on how many are present.
The 50,000 year variance stems from us making assumptions in the length of lives. Living in the year 2011 there is simply no logical excuse that explains the missing time on earth.
Biblical reference isn’t even close to explaining this.
I agree but not on the idea that heaven is a spiritual place. It would appear to be more of a physical place. Another planet.
This also explains a time difference as well as there is probably a different time line in the rotation of the planet. It could also explain the circadian rhythm disorder.
If it is true that we aren’t living on our home planet, our lives would be filled with adaptation, sickness and disease. We would also not know our purpose in life and spend a lot of time studying our planet as it would be new to us. The planet would seem to not fit us in many ways and we would probably rely greatly on doctors in our attempts to try to survive on the wrong planet. After careful thought, I realize it’s more than obvious this isn’t our home. People have mentioned this to me in the past and I just took in passing but never really thought about it in detail. It would appear that we have been placed in a compromising position. What has been done to us is cruelty in epic proportions.
Adam and Eve were supposedly the first to start our race. If this is true than we would have a gross amount of defects in our genes, and we do. Over 4000 defect genes, 1000% above the normal observed amount compared to other life here on earth. Incest could be one cause for this. If not, then there had to be other people to start us as a new race. The bible makes no reference but there are missing pages. It hasn’t been mentioned before but gross defects could also stem from us not being on our correct planet and eating the correct diet. Humans will forever suffer while on earth. From what we understand about genetics, it would take a lot of people to start out a race, to avoid defects. It doesn’t matter; MTDNA tells us we didn’t start according to when the bible says we did. We are missing over 192,000 years of our lineage and we didn’t live it here on earth. Something is very wrong.
Over three decades of study of the paranormal tell me that super powers of the mind, holds, TGA (amnesia), paralysis, telepathy, mind probing, thought control and emotion control, as well as other odd things seem to be normal and common place in reports. I accept most reports I have viewed as valid based on there being over 4 million of them, and they are consistent in details. If they are hallucinations then 4 million people around the globe that don’t know each other are all having the same hallucinations. Some reports are presented by hard core religious folks, as well as other avid non believers of paranormal life. Interviews from contacts that reveal a person in shambles, not understanding what, why, and how things have happened.
As with all of them, the experience is never positive. There are also reports of people claiming contacts that seem happy with the outcome, yet have nothing positive to say about the details. It’s as though they were brain washed to believe it was a good experience, even though they explain invasive painful procedures that have nothing positive. I make this observation because there is simply never anything positive behind the details. If I have reviewed over 10,000 reports, I feel confident to say that ET is not our friend.
I’m finding stories from people claiming to be abducted that don’t believe in ET. At the same time I’m finding it hard to find an atheist claiming they were recently saved by Jesus. One author claims that religious folks are hallucinating. based on the fact they believe they will get to go to heaven, I can see the connection. People that get abducted get nothing positive out of the experience. It seems to add credibility to the reports. Anyone can lie or claim to believe in something not real. When there is nothing to gain from it, it could add validity.
If Adam and Eve, or any others, were abducted and brought to earth, it surly fits the description of what aliens do, they abduct people. Adam and Eve not realizing what has happened to them also fits the third most common element known about aliens, they erase memory (TGA). TGA is real and must be aggressively recognized. TGA is also what has, and what will continue to keep most people from believing in other life. Interviews simply make the victim look stupid as they unravel an abduction story that appears to be riddled full of holes. It doesn’t mean people don’t lie or make up abductions, but it sure explains the holes of memory in credible cases. Some people get back there memory days later.
This is because it’s a well known fact that exposing someone to familiar surroundings is the best chance at them getting back there memory.
Not all of it comes back in some cases. While this might sound like a sci-fi, we can induce large amounts of alcohol and get the same effect. There is also a PTSD clause in here as well. It’s a known fact that some victims of PTSD can exhibit TGA signs. Being abducted is no doubt a traumatic experience, but I don’t think that’s what causes this in abductions, it seems to be induced, or it’s a power.
There are also sections of the bible that support this as well. One part, God is asking “Where are you?” Assuming a slight translation or writing error, it makes total sense if he had asked “Do you know where you are?” As though he was confirming that his memory had been erased. After much research, the old belief of god being all mighty and omnipotent and everything as unexplainable magic, has now turned to almost always explainable technology with ever so slightly rearranged wording.
Other study I did was on life in general. It would appear that whoever or whatever created us, and all life, seems to have a pattern. Most things have two eyes, two ears, a brain, arms, legs, limbs etc. On a rare occasion we find similarities that are to close to explain. Evolving from primates has been ruled out. There are simply too many holes in the theory. If God was a space alien and not our real creator, I’m having one heck of a time finding a single clue that proves it wrong. I’m digging deep and can’t seem to find anything, but in more attempts seem to prove more that he was an alien.
This was actually the starting section that made me wonder about humans. Something seemed odd, in that almost every report about other life, always involved powers like telepathy. It seemed as though the creator had another common pattern amongst humanoid creations in general. They always seem to have telepathy. I wondered, why don’t humans. I pondered the idea that maybe we did and they were disabled or removed. We do have several vestigial organs and supposedly only use 10% of the capacity of our brains, but that is simply not proof. I wanted multiple things before I would call it proof. One thing funny about vestigial organs is that science is actually unsure in a lot of ways what their purpose is. In addition, some things could be labeled as such but might do a lot more than we know.
I wanted to set some ground rules to get to the bottom of any findings. A creator should be a creator and not a destroyer. Too many times in the bible, there are events of god punishing us inhumanely. Killing mass amounts of people. It made no sense to me that a creator would do such a thing for ANY reason. It always falls back on respecting the design. We are of an intelligent design, more so than we realize.
I have absolute confidence believing whoever or whatever created us, knew exactly what they were doing and didn’t make a mistake. Religious views challenge this and use the excuse that god gave us free will but wanted us to conform to his desires. Another words he was smart enough to make us but not smart enough to make us exactly the way he wanted. I can’t accept this for some reason. Maybe it’s because we have over 5 million species on earth alone, and it just seems like very few if any errors were made. We might laugh or ridicule some designs but it’s all in the limits of our understanding.
One assumption I made, that I stand firm on, is the love of life. Whoever made us must have a fondness for life. All the species just on earth alone add up to a crazy amount. To make it more complicated, if you cut any of us open, there is more life inside, even in our blood, life made up of life, made up of more life. Stranger yet, is everything is given the ability to reproduce, to make ongoing life. There is no question about it, the creator loves life. Anytime god would punish us and kill people, it goes against the very idea of a creator. There also seems to be a large grace period since the last time god has made a physical appearance here on earth. I don’t think it’s because we are being perfect angels either. Believing god had good reason to ever punish us is also like saying we were the only mistake out of all the other life here. It just doesn’t make any sense.
In Sodom and Gamora, god appears to drop an atomic bomb on the city. It has the flash, the explosion, the same heat that turns the sand to glass and even the radiation. Why is our alleged creator dropping atomic bombs on us? It’s looking like he’s not our creator. Another observation is that god never showed his face anywhere in the bible. It’s as though he was hiding. From what, is the question. The best answer I could find is that we knew him, well his race anyhow. Showing his face could have restored memory to all of the TGA victims and expose his doings.
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord: And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.