Doomsday and the Saviour.

Lot of predictions and discussions are going on around the world regarding the year 2012. Primarily, the calendar of the Mayans (Ancient Maya Civilization of South America) ends on December 21, 2012). This prediction has been floating around for hundreds of years. All sorts of predictions have been made after that about Doomsday , numerious prophecies about it. In Christianity, there are many speculations about the Messiah (Christ) saving us from the world, etc. But why does it have to be Christ? People aren't aware of other prophecies similar to this in other religions, such as (the controversial) Hidden Imam, Shambala, The jewish Messiah etc. But people focus on the Chrisitanity prohpicies more than the other religious prophicies. Does it have to be Chirst that saves us? Why not the Hidden Imam? Why not the Shambala army? I believe The Bible has more basic information and is more studied than the other holy teachings. Please feel free to comment on your opinion of Doomsday and who you believe the savior will be.

It probably is more studied and more well known --- in your part of the world

I believe the savior would come but we would refuse to listen to him as he would be disguised. We would rather stick to our own beliefs that Jesus or Imam or Shambala looked something like this... and this doesn't even look like him. or he might even look like Death / Grim Reaper. How would you know to trust him and leave everything you know back and leave with him even if he is your savior.

So my question to you is, when the Savior whoever it is comes, would you go with him?

And how would you know if he is the Savior, or better yet how can he prove that he is the savior?

I believe that a savior is going to arise, but the problem is beyond him too... so we all are doomed...

According to what I believe time is constant non-moving non-flowing non-running code. It is a static code with us as a part of that static code just feeling that we lived our life. But infact we are just virtual, our lives are all in the code. So according to me there is going to come the end of the code / calender. Like many would say it is not the end but a new beginning. I agree but not with the same meaning. I believe that the code will reset and the whole time will start over and we are nothing but stuck in between this loop.

The Deja Vu's or the dreams you had are just shadows of the code... which have been there and are always there and they were in the code every since. You just remember them as a faint memory. That is why some could figure out the future incidences, as they are/were there all along...

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The Shambala Army is an army of enlightened beings (not humans) that will march out of Shambala and save the world from Doomsday.
Also why does there have to be a saviour? We can help ourselves out. History does tend to repeat itself.

Interesting questions you put.

I would like to add that in the bible it is "Elijah" who will come to save the world, not Jesus. Many Christians have been fooled into that illusion but that is just because they did not study their bible. Elijah will come to turn the hearts to goodness and he will come first according to Jesus words.

E-Li-Jah means "God of Gods Li".

In the ancient Nordic religion the God of Gods rectifying the world is called "Slidr", "Heimdali", "Heimdallr" and "Heimdal". "Slidr" means "God Li-Him"; Heimdali means "His home in the valleys Li" etc. The city of Falun in Sweden is the capital of the region of the "valleys" or "Dalarna" in Swedish.

The city of Falun is an ancient city in Sweden with many legends, one legend is telling that the river of Falun will split the world in two halves, heaven and hell. The city´s western side is a mine where nothing can grow and no fish can live in that lake.. The eastern divine side of the city is very beautiful...

Shambhala was first mentioned in the book "Zhang Zhun". Master Li Hongzhi was born in Chang Chun in China.

Nostradamus calls the God of Gods or the highest for words like: "Libra" or "Selin". Libra means balance and in Swedish Li-Bra means Li-Good. Selin means See-Li-n in Swedish.

Falun Dafa was introduced in 1992 to the public as a way to improve people´s hearts and minds. It quickly attractted more than 100 million practitioners and it is all free of charge.

In 1999 July it was persecuted by the CCP - the great red dragon of the Book of Revelation.

This matches Nostradamus prediction of July 1999 as the start of the battle between good and evil in thjs world.

Falun means Law Wheel - as in Buddhism it says the Holy King of the Wheel shall come down to save people during the end times and the bible speaks of the wheel spinning and performing its magic.

Falun Dafa also has its own Falun Emblem which is a spinning wheel: www.falundafa.org...


Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.


/Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance is good, Falun Dafa is good

Originally posted by sid1314

So my question to you is, when the Savior whoever it is comes, would you go with him?

And how would you know if he is the Savior, or better yet how can he prove that he is the savior?

I believe that a savior is going to arise, but the problem is beyond him too... so we all are doomed...

1. If that Saviour is Jesus Christ, I would not hesitate going. In fact, I don't think that when He comes to take His bride home, we (His believers) won't have a choice, it's just going to happen. We agreed that we wanted to be with Him the moment that we dedicated our lives to His service.

2. I will know. Everyone will know. It's my belief that when He comes, there will be no question as to who He is. Everyone will know, from deep down inside, they will know the truth and won't need to ask. When Jesus comes to make war with and defeat the beast / the antichrist, everyone who is still on earth and has taken the mark of the beast will know that they were deluded by satan and they will mourn... there will be no need for proof. The entire world will instinctively KNOW. He's not coming back as a "man." He'll be returning in His true form, which will leave no room for doubt.

3. There is no problem too big for God. Right now, He's allowing us to learn that we CANNOT live our lives without His guidance. Our country has taken Him out of just about everything public (schools, etc), and look where we ended up? What a mess we've made of our lives on this earth!!

*And no, I don't know what His true form is, as no one has seen him in His glory.

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I believe the ones that trust and follow the higher conscience, will know of him as he comes. But there are many in the world which do not trust the higher conscience. I believe in the Savior, the higher conscience, the energy that is in us all but I disbelieve the figure named as God. According to me, there is this Higher conscience(energy) that guides you in your path in life, and then there is God that has put you into this World.

I believe God has made these consequences that man is going to face in the future. The higher conscience on the other hand is trying to save man from the same consequences in the future. So according to me, the Savior (higher conscience) comes down to save mankind. So if we are in touch with the Higher conscience and believe and trust him now only then will we know of his arrival on Earth.

I agree with you that the Savior will come and make war with the Beast/Anti-christ/ Counter-part.

I have seen visions of the future of this war, but I will tell this later as it may stray us away from the topic.

Now my question is what is the outcome of the war?

During this war where are we? if we are saved(taken) from this world, according to the scriptures where do we go? Heaven(where god lives) or Hell (where there is pain, suffering, life)?

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I believe the savior is the LAMB. Reguardless of name.

Originally posted by sid1314
reply to post by prettygentle

 

Now my question is what is the outcome of the war?

During this war where are we? if we are saved(taken) from this world, according to the scriptures where do we go? Heaven(where god lives) or Hell (where there is pain, suffering, life)?

The outcome of the war is that Jesus Christ wins. He binds up satan and the beast and will then reign here (on earth) which will be made new again for 1,000 years. At which point satan will be "loosed" again for a short season. What that means exactly, I don't know (yet).

If you are a believer in Christ, you will be safe and I assume in Heaven, or at the very least, in the skies looking down on the war from afar. If you are not a believer, you won't be "raptured" or "saved" from any of it. You will have to endure the full wrath of God. If I'm not mistaken, the Scriptures say "many will seek death but will not find it." Meaning the suffering will be so bad men will wish for and look for ways to die to end the suffering, but they will not find death... Those who are not currently believers but who refuse to worship the beast or take its mark (by refusing to renounce Jesus Christ as the Saviour) should also be "saved" from the wrath.

Let me add, though, that many (or maybe I should say most) will believe the antichrist and what he says and will worship the beast, despite what they have learned about him. God says that He will allow them to be deceived and they will believe the lie. So, don't think that just because you know now what you should do during the tribulation that that is what you will actually end up doing. You may be one of those who end up believing the lie anyway just because satan is so convincing. Anyone on earth during the tribulation is in danger of losing their soul.

As I am not a scholar, by any sense of the word, I could be in error, but that is what I believe.

Again, let us check the bible for the answers:

Speaking to his disciples about John, Jesus said

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied
until John, And if you are willing to receive it,
he is Elijah who is to come. (Matt. 11:13, 14).

Matt 17:

1After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

6When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” 8When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.

9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”

10The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

11Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

And he will turn many of the children of Israel
to the Lord their God.

He will also go before Him in the spirit and
power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the
fathers to the children, and the disobedient
to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a
people prepared for the Lord.” (Lk. 1:16–17)



Whoever can say that the Son-of-Man is Jesus? Nobody can say that.

Elijah is the Son-of-Man and anyone capable of reading a few lines of texts will know the truth about this matter. He is here and he is performing his magic work to anyone willing to listen and ponder the truth of his scriptures.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever

Only GOD is our Saviour!

There is no saviour as in "Christ", "Hidden Imam", or whatever. And I am muslim BTW, so I believe both in Christ AND the Imam.
But they do not come here to "save us" or "rapture us" or similar. The Imam Mahdi is believed to come to fight against the forces of Antichrist (Dajjal), but he won't be able to defeat him. That's where Jesus comes in - he can defeat him. But then Jesus dies after some years - to fulfill the word of God that "Each soul shall taste death".
The christians intermix the "coming of the Lord" with the "coming of Jesus" - but it is not Jesus that comes with angels and power - it is GOD - to judge the people. ONLY GOD can judge the people - not a Messenger of God.
All this mixup is a result of the false Prophet Paul who contaminated the teachings of Jesus - went against his Disciples and James and at the end "his" fraction won - the result is today's "christianity" (in fact Paulianism).

All the writings in the present New Testament are directly or indirectly influenced by Paul's teachings - and Jesus did indeed warn us against him.

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
Only GOD is our Saviour!

There is no saviour as in "Christ", "Hidden Imam", or whatever. And I am muslim BTW, so I believe both in Christ AND the Imam.
But they do not come here to "save us" or "rapture us" or similar. The Imam Mahdi is believed to come to fight against the forces of Antichrist (Dajjal), but he won't be able to defeat him. That's where Jesus comes in - he can defeat him. But then Jesus dies after some years - to fulfill the word of God that "Each soul shall taste death".
The christians intermix the "coming of the Lord" with the "coming of Jesus" - but it is not Jesus that comes with angels and power - it is GOD - to judge the people. ONLY GOD can judge the people - not a Messenger of God.
All this mixup is a result of the false Prophet Paul who contaminated the teachings of Jesus - went against his Disciples and James and at the end "his" fraction won - the result is today's "christianity" (in fact Paulianism).

All the writings in the present New Testament are directly or indirectly influenced by Paul's teachings - and Jesus did indeed warn us against him.

In my humble opinion the Mahdi/Mehdi or "12th Imam" etc is the same being as Elijah. Islam prophecy says his name will have two letters, just like "Li"....

I believe all people in the world who believe in orthodox religion have a prophecy who speak about the same person, only the words are a little different but the meaning is the same. The God of Gods is coming and that is the exact meaning of E-Li-Jah if you look up the meaning of those three words - God of Gods Li, his name will be Li when he lives his life as a human being here.

In Islam it is said the Lord of Lords(Mahdi) will have three duties in this world: Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance - like the message of Falun Dafa.

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

Ok lets step back for a moment...

@ sHuRuLuNi, A Savior(whoever it is) comes to fight against the Anti-Christ, and he doesn't win. right?
Why doesn't he win? what is the burden on him that destroys him?

@ Gaussq : You mentioned that Elijah is here already right? what if he is warning everyone of the truth, but no one listens? Elijah as you mentioned is a human being. Then, he cannot work magic as we humans are restricted from the use of Magic.

I will now put forth my belief as I had seen in my visions/dreams. (please if I am wrong about something, please correct me.)

I would like to clear out something before I start, telling the story. I believe, that GOD (Creator) of this Universe is one faction and The Universe and its Savior is another faction.

Now according to the vision, time has been repeating itself with us all in it. The decisions that we make, does not affect the ultimate outcome. As the Savior will go into battle with the Anti-Christ(Duality of the Savior) caused as a result of stability of the Universe.

Now I had seen this vision as a part of the Savior as well as the messenger. I have seen multiple endings of the same outcome.

I will start at the beginning, of these visions. The Savior is sent by GOD on Earth to save mankind. As soon as the savior reaches Earth, he is transformed into a human and no longer has his powers, basically gets trapped. But as he has come from outside Time itself. he knows of the out come.

Second vision, from a messenger's point of view, Resurrection of the Savior in Egypt. I saw that the messenger himself will transforms into the Savior as he connects with ultimate energy in the tomb in the pyramids.
Another vision with the messenger's POV. Resurrection of the Savior by the Strike of Straight Lightening. Here also the messenger is transformed into the Savior as he is struck by lightening in the middle of the eye of the storm.

Another vision, from the POV of messenger, as the destruction of earth due to natural causes and meteor showers. The messenger accompanied by an Engineer of some sort, go into a invention room of some sort and fix a machine that actually causes the time loop. (Concept here being that if time is reversed you will be in the same state as you were in that time that you are traveling to and not in the position or state of time where you took the journey of time travel)

Another vision, from the POV of the Savior, Fighting the Anti-christ. The savior was weakened due to something don't know what as yet, but was not in the state to win the battle. The anti-christ attacks a lot on the savior as he gathers himself. Shift of POV to a human/messenger standing on the sidelines watching this event unfold. As the Anti-christ is about to make his final blow the messenger distracts the Anti-christ, thus making him miss the shot. Shift of POV to the Savior, Tired, weakened, almost as if given up. Takes control of time and turns it back.

Now, I would like you all to help me decipher this to a find a solution that is there written or told in the scriptures.