Athens,Greece:The new warzone

Originally posted by pandapowerjamie
I appreciate you guys doing the research and supporting the OP's claims, but are you seriously being shocked about the reason why it hasn't been broadcast in MSM? Thought you wonderful people would have figured that out, granted before anyone jumps to conclusions, I see every country as an equal, but which sounds more "jaw dropping", more fear-mongering?? Athens riots, or Middle-east turmoil. deaths, rebels....?

Jamie.

Only Greek Americans care about Athens. Greek Americans tend to be *()^&*^%^%( racist bigots. When the Greek butchers pay for the genocide they committed against the Macedonians I might care, till then let Athens sink into the Aegean.

Originally posted by teapot

Originally posted by Phantom traveller
...people are getting injured and the police is getting tougher and the patrols and the cops on the streets bigger in number.We are heading to a police state and most people are welcoming it.

Greece/Athens, the birthplace of democracy.

Do you really believe the anarchists will burn Athens down?

They did it on December 2008.Not to the ground,but December 6 when the cop killed the boy,young people,including them,went out on the streets and started burning,smashing cars,banks and stores.This went on for 6 months.Of course the media stopped reporting after the 4rd day.
Since the end of May 2009 every night a large group of people went out on the streets and after attacking the cops,they started the burning and throwing stones.On their side the cops they were answering with tear gas bombs.

As for the democracy.This has been forgotten for a long time now.Only the ghost has remained and i have a feeling it 's ready to depurture as well.

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You are right. We see very little about this and other European unrest in the UK MSM. All media eyes are focused on what they want us to know and understand about what is happening in the ME, diverting our attention from popular uprising against the rise of fascist policy in the west; blaming minority political extremists, ie 'anarchists' for causing disruption to people's lives, creating an internal boogey man to guide populations into accepting, even welcoming overt fascism.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by pandapowerjamie
I appreciate you guys doing the research and supporting the OP's claims, but are you seriously being shocked about the reason why it hasn't been broadcast in MSM? Thought you wonderful people would have figured that out, granted before anyone jumps to conclusions, I see every country as an equal, but which sounds more "jaw dropping", more fear-mongering?? Athens riots, or Middle-east turmoil. deaths, rebels....?

Jamie.

Only Greek Americans care about Athens. Greek Americans tend to be *()^&*^%^%( racist bigots. When the Greek butchers pay for the genocide they committed against the Macedonians I might care, till then let Athens sink into the Aegean.

What genocide are you talking about?
This is FYROM propaganda.They have some serious issues and they will play any card to prove their point.(Besides REAL genocides worked for others,they think it might work for them as well)
Because they made a couple of photoshopped youtube videos that doesn't make it real you know.
Get the facts straight before you come and spread hate.

Originally posted by teapot
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You are right. We see very little about this and other European unrest in the UK MSM. All media eyes are focused on what they want us to know and understand about what is happening in the ME, diverting our attention from popular uprising against the rise of fascist policy in the west; blaming minority political extremists, ie 'anarchists' for causing disruption to people's lives, creating an internal boogey man to guide populations into accepting, even welcoming overt fascism.

Well as i said before there are rumours that the so called "anarchists" are on the goverment payroll or at least the leaders.I know there are some people among them that they really want to fight the goverment.
In the last few months police has made so many arrests on people that are part of anarchist/terrorist groups than they ever made the last 10 years.The police right now has the right to arrest anyone that doesn't "look ok" to them.

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A year ago, in May 2010, Doctor Dimitris Antoniou submitted a lawsuit to the Greek courts accusing the government of betraying the country's constitution and charging them with high treason.

The reason? Antoniou says that the terms of the loan agreement with the troika of the EU, IMF, and the ECB, are illegal. He says the three must be consulted in any changes to the Greek legislature - in order to get its emergency bailout loan, the government had to agree to change the country's labour laws and pension system - which should be the job of the Greek parliament. He also points to another clause of the bailout agreement which secures the assets of the Greek state against the loan. This, he says, equates to the Greek government giving up its sovereignty.

He compares the loan agreement to the occupation of Greece by Germany during the Second World War. "Nothing has changed, only the weapons. This time the weapons are the terms of the loan agreement."

english.aljazeera.net...

With reference to what he terms the Transnational Capitalists Class (TCC), William I Robinson, writing for Al Jazeera claims that the TCC employ x3 mechanisms for maintaining full fiscal control and how government responses indicate the advent of 21st century fascism:

1) militarised accumulation; waging wars and interventions that unleash cycles of destruction and reconstruction and generate enormous profits for an ever-expanding military-prison-industrial-security-financial complex. We are now living in a global war economy that goes well beyond such "hot wars" in Iraq or Afghanistan.

2) raiding and sacking of public budgets. Transnational capital uses its financial power to take control of state finances and to impose further austerity on the working majority, resulting in ever greater social inequality and hardship. The TCC has used its structural power to accelerate the dismantling of what remains of the social wage and welfare states.

3) frenzied worldwide financial speculation - turning the global economy into a giant casino. The TCC has unloaded billions of dollars into speculation in the housing market, the food, energy and other global commodities markets, in bond markets worldwide (that is, public budgets and state finances), and into every imaginable "derivative", ranging from hedge funds to swaps, futures markets, collateralised debt obligations, asset pyramiding, and ponzi schemes. The 2008 collapse of the global financial system was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.

In the face of crisis there appear to be distinct responses from states and social and political forces. Three stand out: global reformism; resurgent of popular and leftist struggles from below; far-right and 21st century fascism. There appears to be, above all, a political polarisation worldwide between the left and the right, both of which are insurgent forces.

english.aljazeera.net...

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This story has been under played in the media and perhaps as another poster mentioned it is due to the flooding. Public protests in Europe are often poorly reported in the US, on both sides, making it appear worse than it is as well as making it not appear as bad as it is.

I lived in Paris for a while during "massive protests regarding government cut backs" "thousands of folks in the streets demanding justice" and all of that. In reality, it was a bunch of folks walking about, shooting the breeze, drinking, crowding into the street from cafe's, etc. More of a big, moving block party than a protest. An excuse to cut school and work. I was out in it all day with my kids and did not learn it was a protest until that night on the news.

To get a real picture of what is happening in these situations, you can not rely on US media and have to seek out European media, where they still have a thing called news reporting.

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"Dogs go on with their doggy lives" as the old English saying goes.

It could be that in countries with "riots" (=protests, why bother making the difference anymore, the media doesn't) there tend to be less "dog catchers", and thus more leash-less dogs.

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So far you're the only one on this thread providing the real reasons for the unrest. The Greeks are fed up. They know their government is trying to put up as collateral the whole country to the international banksters they’ve been in collusion with to rape Greece.

Many others are playing it down and by doing so are assisting MSM who they accuse of under reporting.

Great job of the OP for bringing this up. Lousy job providing truthful analysis.

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Thank you for contributing to the thread.I'm too close to the whole thing and affected by it and i cannot think very well.
Yes the economic measures are one of the many reasons people are out on the streets,but you have to understand that there are two categories:
A)The peaceful protesters,who only want their voice to be heard and make a difference.
B)the troublemakers,that want chaos.

A peaceful march,closing the main streets and shouting hardly makes the news,even here in Greece.We have one or two of those everyday and i know about them because i'm in the area.
The second type is when the anarchists infiltrate those marches and they start situations like the one i described.

The austerity measures and the entire ecomomic problem has brought many people to their limit.The thing is that the anarchists although they are using this as an excuse,they want to destabilise.Some have more noble motives,i know a few of them,some just follow because someone told them that it's cool to be on that side and some are just out for destruction.
And of course we have the politicians that they take advantage of the situation and use to pass laws for the "common good" and "our protection".