Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

reply to post by Bildo


They can always say there were "answered" and some will, if they carry this out. So, the cop would have to actually ring the doorbell, or knock before they make their unlawful entry? They will always say they did, though.
What if you are not home, can they enter then? I really don't know, so I'm asking.

Why is this not on the front page!?!?!

Originally posted by babybunnies
Got news for you, the PATRIOT act gives them the authority to enter your home at any time, regardless of whether you've been charged with a crime, and regardless of whether you are home or if they have a warrant.

And 62 million Americans reelected George Bush, who put this plan into place.

"Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security".

Would you please cite the appropriate section and/or page of The Patriot Act that says that?

Second line.

Why are people jumping on this all of a sudden?? When Arizona attempted to pass the papers please law, this was exactly what was on the plate. Police could ask anybody for their papers even on their own properties, there were no boundaries. But yes this involves guns, and obviously with that fact everybody is brought up into the fold.

This is wrong, but I sense a change in tune from what I got on here back in July 2010.

Ha ha ha ha ha
Land of the free dumb...
Suck dont blow boys and when you bend over dont forget to spread em wide.
What a joke the USA is becoming. Master terrorist and you chase him for 10 yrs, when you catch him? You shoot and bury him at sea with in hours.
So they dont even need a warrant to enter your home. Ha ha ha

Were slowly losing all of our freedoms. If I hear someone busting in my door late at night without anyone identifying themselves as police, I am shooting first and asking questions later. How do I know it is not some thugs doing a home invasion. This opens up a flood of bad things that could possibly happen. Imagine those cops that are crooked? They could start entering peoples homes and robbing them blind when they are not home. Way to many negatives.

They may enter my home anytime they want to....but...I can assure them, if they don't have a warrant, they will NOT leave it walking....I'll drag them out by the hair of their head....Not a threat, a promise....

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Why are people jumping on this all of a sudden?? When Arizona attempted to pass the papers please law, this was exactly what was on the plate. Police could ask anybody for their papers even on their own properties, there were no boundaries. But yes this involves guns, and obviously with that fact everybody is brought up into the fold.

This is wrong, but I sense a change in tune from what I got on here back in July 2010.

From my understanding this is untrue. In Arizona they would only ask if they were stopped for something else. Not in your home, but more in public and in your car.

it sucks for Arizona that they were left in a position to have to defend a border that the Federal Government is responsible for. Maybe they didn't come up with the best solution...but at least they tried. More than we can say for Uncle Sam.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
From my understanding this is untrue. In Arizona they would only ask if they were stopped for something else.

Let's go back to the bill shall we?

FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN

www.azleg.gov...

What is lawful contact? Is it clearly defined? Because from what I understand, lawful contact would merely be a police officer approaching a person out of "concern" for them.

It's silly to argue that this law merely gave police officers the power to do a backround check on individuals charged with something else, they were already doing this for some time now. Watch an episode of cops sometime, feel free to do so on the episodes before 2010. Police officers were already doing backround checks on suspected criminals and obviously if they were illegally here it'd pop up. We did not need the Arizona law to make it possible for police officers to do so, and obviously the Arizona law was not for that purpose, otherwise it'd further prove that is was a useless waste of tax payer money.

Not in your home, but more in public and in your car.

Where does it say this in the bill? If you read it, it clearly leaves out limitations to where police officers could approach a person they were "suspicious" of. Let's not forget as well, not everybody owns a house in this country. Some people live in houses or apartments and don't own it. This law leaves it open for police officers to harass people in their own homes. It made no clear limitation to where police officers could approach an individual. It is of little difference to what the OP is rallying against.

it sucks for Arizona that they were left in a position to have to defend a border that the Federal Government is responsible for.

Arizona had decades to sort out their border fence, instead they decided to leave it to this very moment, right before to 2010 midterm elections conveniently. I've seen the border fence in california with Mexico, it is pathetic, there are parts falling off, it looks like something made out of junk. It's a joke, but it's been like this for decades. And if you believe this is all the federal government, your playing into the games of state republican politicians, because for years they were too busy spending time on terrorism and abortion.

You want to sort out illegal immigration in this country? Fine. Go after both state and federal governments over their inaction over the border fence, go after the businesses that continue on hiring the illegals (hence the reason why they come here). Don't go after american citizens who pay their taxes, who are rightfully here, and those who have the right to be left alone in their homes. Don't go harrassing american citizens merely because they look out of place, that is not going to solve the problem. You create a society of division that way.

Maybe they didn't come up with the best solution...but at least they tried.

An invasive law on privacy is not what I consider "trying", it is a pathetic political ploy to garner votes from very angry and misguided americans. "Trying" would be to push for me enforcement on businesses that break the law, trying would be on calling the governments out on this border fence. Trying would be rallying for troops to be based on the borders.

More love from the cops and government.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Think about women who live alone!! OMG! I can only imagine what could possibly happen!! This is very frightening.

I'm not really acquainted with many women who would have a problem here. Probably just the circles I move in. Sure, most all of 'em will PLAY the "damsel in distress" role on occasion, but when the rubber meets the road, those chicks can get MEAN! I'd rather fight any 5 men I've ever met than ONE woman. They've got that whole "mothering" thing and "nesting instinct" going on that makes them truly a force to be reckoned with when riled in this manner. Women are the most territorial creatures I've ever run across, and I'd never try to beard one in her own den. The percentages just aren't there.

Of course, most of the women I know are armed, and can shoot - and shoot well. I've got a theory that it has something to do with that whole right-brain/left-brain theory that explains why women can pick out a missing button on a shirt, while men can't even be sure what color the whole shirt was. They tend to focus on details more, and that makes them truly formidable shots. Scare 'em in the middle of the night and make that trigger finger all twitchy? Not me. Someone else can try that out!

I just don't know very many true victim types, although some of them will PLAY the victim from time to time for whatever reason. Like I said, it may just be the circles I move in.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Elostone

 

There will be those sicko's who will disguise themselves as police, enter your home, and rape you.

Which is EXACTLY why any entry into my home, by ANYONE, had better be accompanied by a knock at the door and a polite wait on an invitation in. Uniforms don't mean jack to me, especially in a firefight - except they serve to identify the targets better. I used to know a guy who hatched a scheme to rob drug dealers by posing as police and "raiding" their homes. I don't know if he's still alive or not, as I immediately broke off all contact with him.

Yup, it happens. We had a "Blue Light bandit" here for a while, too. Fake cop, blue light on the dash and all, who would pull women over in lonely places. Hell with that. Even the cops were saying to wait and pull over in crowded parking lots, or better yet a police station, if you were a woman alone and someone lit you up. The ticket wouldn't get any bigger considering the circumstances, and you'd be a lot safer.

reply to post by Vitchilo



Wow.. ultra Orwellian ruling! They even admit the entry is "unlawful"??!?

A cop illegally entering a residence should be treated with the same level of action as would be directed at a criminal forcing entry into your home. This ruling is just incredible.. police are essentially immune from the very laws we have to protect us from them..

I am a homeowner in Indiana -
one more stupid law to worry
about. Disturbing to think I might
have a heart attack because some
cop came into my house in the
middle of the night - well I hope
my dog likes him

shoot the cop...


when it is found he entered unlawfully you will be acquitted and the cop will be dead wrong......Pardon my pun




But you do have a right to keep anyone from your home, the only way to enter is with a warrant.

If the cop does not have a warrant, he knows he is in the wrong.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Havn't you realised that the court system is NOT enforcing COMMON LAW.

Ok, so Indiana is on the no go/don't live in list.
List is becoming short.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Well its a good thing I dont live in Indiana because anyone entering into my house will be shot onsight. Out here in Arizona I can conceal, carry and shoot to kill for protection so if you try and de-arm me, take away my rights, or illegally and forceablly enter my home - I will protect myself. I cant believe this, just wait de-arming the populace is within the next decade. Someone is bound to kill a dumb cop. (not all cops are dumb, most I know are admirable but those illegally knocking down doors are asking to be shot. By the way your kevlar and plates will not stop my rounds.

I do believe liberty is thirsty:
"Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
— Thomas Jefferson

They can illegally bust into peoples homes if they want, as long as American Idol & Dancing with the Stars is not on. Otherwise # will get real! Baaaaaaaaaaa BBBBbbbbaaaaaaaaa.....

I have spent many hours on this site and never posted anything. However this pertains to me because i live in a suburb outside of Indianapolis. I have had the chance to talk to a few cops about this and they say they dont know what to do about it because going into a random house without a warrant and telling the person they cant resit is dangerous. I told the cop if he was to come to my house and knock i wouldnt open the door and then he couldnt get in...he replied that he would just kick it in if he wanted...i told him id sue him and he said with this law they can do whatever they want just like if you get pulled over they can search your vehicle for no reason. This is a bunch of malarkey.