Who lived in North America originally?

According to the Book of Mormon, a "lost tribe of Israel" migrated to the Americas in 600 B.C. The introduction to the Book of Mormon describes these Lamanites as "the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

The Lamanites allegedly lapsed into apostacy, but Joseph Smith claimed to have been shown golden tablets bearing their story by an angel named Moroni. Smith said he translated these tablets in 1823 from an unknown language called Reformed Egyptian, thus creating the Book of Mormon.

www.mcjonline.com...

So there ya go. Before the Injuns, there were modern Judao-Christian white people.

Dude, it's in the Bible!

Uhhhh..."Injuns"!? We care for that kinda talk please.....




I'm just kidding....I know yoou didn't mean it.....

So far, to my knowledge, none have been found. However, it is a fact that all signs of inhabitance, including stone structures, will completely disappear with one million years of the disappearance of humans.

This being the case we have no knowledge of how many civilizations rose and disappeared in America or elsewhere in the World over millions of years. Likewise, no one knows how advanced any one civilization became before it disappeared. This being the case there may have been human civilization that were as advanced technologically as our present civilization or maybe even more advanced.

Originally posted by RANT

According to the Book of Mormon, a "lost tribe of Israel" migrated to the Americas in 600 B.C. The introduction to the Book of Mormon describes these Lamanites as "the principal ancestors of the American Indians."

The Lamanites allegedly lapsed into apostacy, but Joseph Smith claimed to have been shown golden tablets bearing their story by an angel named Moroni. Smith said he translated these tablets in 1823 from an unknown language called Reformed Egyptian, thus creating the Book of Mormon.

www.mcjonline.com...

So there ya go. Before the Injuns, there were modern Judao-Christian white people.

Dude, it's in the Bible!

From the physical characteristics of all Native Americans of both South, Central, and North America including DNA testing proves that the early inhabitants were Asians. So yellow would seem a more appropriate color. The ancient Hindu belief system seems to be tied into both cultures, Asian and Native American. I highly doubt the lost tribes of Israel migrated so far east. I would say the migration into the Americas, from the east, happened some time after the confusion of the languages. The tower of Babel. Then the early Americans suffered a catastrophe near the end of King Solomon's reign, which reduced their poppulation and dispersed the tribes just as with the tower of Babel. The society fell into remission and was no longer a strong collective. The observance of Izcalli within the Americas is a rememberance of this catastrophe long ago.

[edit on 25-8-2004 by lostinspace]

Here's a portion taken from,

Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. By Ignatius Donnelly

www.sacred-texts.com...


"The fact that this tradition existed among the inhabitants of America is proven by the existence of festivals, "especially one in the month Izcalli, which were instituted to commemorate this frightful destruction of land and people, and in which, say the sacred books, 'princes and people humbled themselves before the divinity, and besought him to withhold a return of such terrible calamities.'"

Interesting thread...
Here's a couple of twists to toss into the mix.

Immanual Velikofski, in his book 'Earth In Upheaval', talks about a massive wave that washed over the North American continent from Florida to the Arctic ocean. That wave could have been produced by the impact of the asteroid that redefined the Yucatan peninsula. In this scenario, everything not latched to the bedrock would have been washed North of Alaska and the Yukon. If there had been civilizations existing at the time, there would be no visible record.

Secondly, I have been interested in the migration legends of the Ojibway peoples that have been preserved through mnemnonics pressed into birchbark scrolls. These scrolls have been thoroughly studied by selwyn Dewdney in his book 'Sacred Scrolls of the Southern Ojibway. The interesting bit is that the scrolls say that these people came from the East,
from a starting point that sounds remarkably close to the Eastern lands of the Mediterranian.

I wonder why Kennewick Man is so important to anthropologists? ;0)

There is no evidence at all to suggest that such a large meteor sturck the yucatan. 65 mya one did, but not like that, and not to cause a tsunami that stripped North America to the bedrock.

how are the ojibway ancestral islands like the med islands?

Kennewick Man is important to anthropologists and archaeologists because of its great age.

I do know vikings hit land on the shores of nova scotia... I also know that French people came to settle before europeans did. Jaques Cartier colonized the east coast of canada and central, louis reel fought the europeans in alberta and was murdered, pennsylvania was colonized by french...

Before the natives all I know is that viking settlers were here...

On the other coast,did Polonesians ever get blown on our coast?
"It happened. If you make yourself useful,you can stay."2IC

Originally posted by lostinspace
I highly doubt the lost tribes of Israel migrated so far east. I would say the migration into the Americas, from the east, happened some time after the confusion of the languages.

If, however, you look at the language families, you'll see good evidence for five or six waves of migration; the latest being the Athabascan family of languages.

Then the early Americans suffered a catastrophe near the end of King Solomon's reign, which reduced their poppulation and dispersed the tribes just as with the tower of Babel.

You're going to have a lot of trouble proving this one. King Solomon's death is generally accepted to be 930 BC or so. We have a lot of archaeological evidence about the tribes, and there's no evidence at all of any huge die-off in population across the North American continent.

The society fell into remission and was no longer a strong collective. The observance of Izcalli within the Americas is a rememberance of this catastrophe long ago.

The Olmec society fell into decline because of external forces about that time. Other tribes and societies rose and flourished about that time.

I had seen a special on TV, I think it was an old Author C. Clarke, it had suggested that before the native americans as we knew it were here there was a people with rounded skulls more like that of the caucasion peoples. He likened their features to Aborginies. It is said that these Aboriginal type people's were here when the Asian hertiage Native Americans, slowly worked their way down, and overtook the current population slowly, killing, displacement of habitat and breeding them out.

There are supposedly a pair of Sister's who live at the southern most portion, of South America, Tierra Del Fuego, who still resemble in skull similarity to the description of these first Native Americans. The thing is they have a native american as we know pigment and facial structure, cept for their rounded, and not flat faces and skulls.

-ADHDsux4me

Originally posted by TrueLies
I do know vikings hit land on the shores of nova scotia... I also know that French people came to settle before europeans did. Jaques Cartier colonized the east coast of canada and central, louis reel fought the europeans in alberta and was murdered, pennsylvania was colonized by french...

Before the natives all I know is that viking settlers were here...

Where do you propose "France" (and the "French") are from? "The Europeans" includes France... France and England were competing, along with Spain and Portugal, for territories in North America for more than 300 years before Louis Reil was even born (I live 30 minutes from Batoche... and my aunt's godfather was Gabriel Dumont - Reil's 2nd hand). Louis Reil is modern history (he was born in Canada in 1844), not 1600's when upper and lower Canada existed -- each controlled by France and England respectively.

In 1497, an Englishman named John Cabot "rediscovered" the eastern coast of Canada. The Vikings, ie. Leif Erikson and his people, had been coming to Canada for more than 500 years before that; both the french and portugese had been fishing the "secret waters" of the Grand Banks off Newfoundland for quite a while as well (probably 200 years previous and up to Cabot's journey). Jacques Cartier was 6 years old when Cabot rediscovered Canada and Cartier didn't even begin his voyage to the Canadas until 1524...

I don't know where some people in the US go to school (and I don't mean this as a generalized insult to any Americans, nor do I intend in any way to start a flame-war) but it's astonishing how many "facts" some of you guys spout without so much as even a Google Search before your posts... You CAN trust the websites that are gc.ca or when it comes to historical information about Canada, and you CAN trust most Canadian museums and historical sites funded by provincial or the federal government -- Canada paid off the natives with treaties that expire when "the sun no longer sets in the West, and the rivers run dry" so there's no wholesale slaughter of the natives to deny in our history books...

To refer to people who were settling North America during the 1600s-1800s when the topic is about historical evidence from 20,000-50,000 years ago is baffling... There is plenty of scientific evidence when it comes to dating the earliest people in North America. It seems almost every year an even older bit of skeletal evidence is found, and even older tools and artifacts have been found and dated... There is also evidence that Australian aboriginees also settled in South America but were most likely either wiped out by migrating "natives" (Incas) or simply interbred. If you'd like to see one of the first known caucasians in North America (this is disputed by natives in Washington, but not by the vast majority of anthropologists), check out Kennewick Man for some enlightenment, he's a mere 9,000 years old...

Does anyone on here read other sources when it comes to this sort of stuff, or is it just normal to make crap up on these forums when you don't know what it is you're talking about? Amazing and amusing all at the same time.

I look forward to any comments, especially by people who do read and research!

[edited some spelling errors]

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Excellent post, Catherder...

I believe we are just scratching the surface in the recording of the ancient history of the Americas, though. There is so much we do not know.

On Louis Reil, the books are not closed on that particular bit of our recent political shenanegans. Time will make him a hero and not the renegade. I heard a statue was due to be erected in his honour somewhere...but my time frosted brain can't remember where or when.

Fascinating stuff- here's a question- - -

When was syphilis first discovered in the orient?

Another- why didn't these people bring any seeds with them, or if they did which ones?

Plant life ages-???

It would be pretty interesting evidence if they did bring seeds with them, but at that point in "civilization" we were mainly hunter/gatherers and not farmers (nomads don't carry seeds to plant crops as they move along). I'm pretty sure the people who followed the herds across the Alaskan land bridge were more about hunting the herd than planting seeds which they'd never go back to harvest.

Radon from EPA

Now here's a little twist to whom was in America first-

What is Radon?
Alexa lists over 380,000 links to Radon- most are businesses I imagine.

What if~ ~

Radon is residual effects of a long, long ago war?

if you believe in evolution, and the theory that modern homosapiens originated in africa, all cultures simply migrated, over time, from africa. therefore, I would argue, our continent was probably inhabited by asian ancestors who developed into their own race, native american indians once they were isolated from the asian gene pool.

does anyone know if we still teach the columbus bs in grade school ? I'm going to have my daughter ask the teacher how columbus discovered the americas if there was someone there to greet him.

Originally posted by PublicGadfly
What if~ ~
Radon is residual effects of a long, long ago war?

Uhm... no. No way. The "war" you hypothesize would have had to take place around 10-15 billion years ago. This is before the formation of Earth.

It is, however, the residual effects of natural star-forming processes.

(excellent posts, Catherder!)

Originally posted by CatHerder
It would be pretty interesting evidence if they did bring seeds with them, but at that point in "civilization" we were mainly hunter/gatherers and not farmers (nomads don't carry seeds to plant crops as they move along). I'm pretty sure the people who followed the herds across the Alaskan land bridge were more about hunting the herd than planting seeds which they'd never go back to harvest.

Tha's correct. People gathered plants and vegetation, and if they were going to be in an area for awhile, they might "tend" to groups of local plants (like occasionally watering the pecan trees.) However, they didn't practice farming. Farming only occurs AFTER environmental pressures (ice age or long dry spells) force people to move to river valleys. If memory serves (Dr. Wolverton and Dr. Jordan will whap me for forgetting), this occurred about 10,000 BC in Europe and much later in North America (5,000 BC or so.)

the indians in north america were here long before the vikings were here. and colombus did not discover north america cause there were already people living there. i think that the indians were always living here i dont believe we all migrated from africa. thats to weird for me.