After Serving Two Tours in Iraq, Ex Marine is Killed in Own Home by SWAT Team

The cops who fired their weapons should get the death penalty for murder in the 1st degree. but the cops will all get medals and a pat on the back for invading the house and killing the man for no reason except for their own negligence , poor training, bloated egos and Their Rambo like mentality.

These trigger happy cops and swat teams are dangerous, they are pumped up for a fight before they get there and can't wait to get the rush of pulling the trigger on some poor innocent person just trying to defend his home and family.

How sad.

I hope the families of these cops and swat team get to feel the same grief that they caused the Guerena family.

My condolences go out to the surviving Guerena family members.

I have looked in several other places for follow-ups on this story. I conclude that not one of the 71 shots fired was justified, that law enforcement can get away with murder, and that it does not matter how much one loves his country... it will never love you back. Based on the way this warrant (and many like it) are executed, the government has lost touch with the citizenry it has sworn to protect. Investigation is not necessary. If there is something as simple as 'word of mouth' or 'rumors' to point out POSSIBLE criminals, then damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

What makes me even more p***ed off is that I have yet to see this tragedy unfold on national news. I have to listen to stories about Ashton Kutcher replacing Charlie Sheen and stupid garbage like that. Only in sifting through the internet through sites like ATS can people find out what is really going on. I am praying for the family of Jose Guerena. I am praying for a widow and children who will never get to know their father. I am praying for justice. I will pray even after they take away freedom to believe in God.

The problem with this is, we truly do not know the real story. For all we know, he could of done some very evil things over in Iraq, and they just couldn't let him get away with it, so they made up this fake charge, and perhaps it just sickened them that if taken to court, that he would probably get out of it scott free.

I'm not saying this is what happened, just one of the many, many possibilities out there. I for one, never judge until I know the full true story.

reply to post by Conciliatore


I am very sorry for you loss. No doubt the police and press said it was simply an unfortunate accident and no one was brought to account. No doubt those same cops hit the gym everyday after shift, pump up more steroids and fantasize about the next time they get to kill and what weapons they get to train with courtesy of your neighbors' law-and-order fascist votes.

reply to post by just_julie


Killing more people isnt going to change anything. You will end up dead or in prison for the rest of your life speaking loudly to the walls.

reply to post by Caji316


I'm not in the US but this seems pretty drastic and obviously the wrong decision because nothing was found (not drugs anyway).

How come they went in all guns blazing? ok, he had a gun but it says that he didn't fire the weapon!!

Couldn't he get to open the door and come out with hands over his head or something? Why go hie i the cupboard?

reply to post by just_julie


You can't understand how this can happen and no one is brought to justice? That's an easy one....all the "good" cops lie to cover themselves and their buddies. It is you against them. American cops have carte blanche because the courts simply accept at face value anything a cop says. Why do you think they did not allow the paramedics in? They wanted to make sure everyone had the story right and they wanted to plan their excuse, maybe plant drugs and guns. NEVER, EVER trust an American cop.

If you are a cop here I dare you to defend your fellow scum. Let's all hear your excuse about how these "unfortunate accidents" keep happening and no one is held accountable. If you are a cop, you are the most dangerous person in your community, not the local gangbangers.

well obama in his great wisdom and leadership set the precedent of shooting unarmed prisoners without a trial or rule of law, regardless of the magnitude and horror of the crimes a person is accused of.

if nazi's, responsible for the industrial genocide and death of millions of people were given a trial and a defense, how can someone like bin laden not be given the same.

the point is not whether a person deserves to die. trials and laws exist to protect the innocent, it gives the people a sense of order and safety, and if we start chipping away at these protections out of revenge and anger, the system starts to slowly crumble and incidents like this happen.

bush with the patriot act, and now obama equating executions without trial justice, it's only a matter of time before freedom erodes beyond repair.

Originally posted by alfa1
A man so dangerous, even after being shot at 71 times, that ambulance paramedics arent allowed to go near him...


The 911 call center notified Drexel Heights at 9:43 a.m.
A unit arrived just two minutes later at 9:45. However, deputies told rescue workers to stay put.
But paramedics waited until 10:59 a.m. Then they heard the radio call "Code 900", which meant they were no longer needed because the person was dead.
After one hour and 14 minutes, Drexel Heights indicated they were never allowed to even examine Jose .
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A murder, pure and simple.

Today it was an ex-marine. "Yesterday" it was 11-year-old boy shotgunned in the back while laying face down. "Yesterday" it a grandmother murdered in a no-knock raid. Tomorrow, it will be *your* spouse, your child, your parent.

The perps are becoming more brazen every passing day because they face no consequences. We either stop this or we don't. There is no half way-measure to deal with state-sponsored murderers.

reply to post by sjewell57


Admit it, you'd be right there alongside your neanderthal mates firing away and if things went south, admit that you and your buds would concoct a bogus story to cover your mistake. This is not speculation; this is the way you operate and we ALL know it. I have NEVER ONCE seen a department come clean in this kind of situation. Without fail EVERY TIME, the PD says they were justified. Does not matter if it is the wrong house because all you thugs do then is say, "Gee, we thought he was going for weapon." Case closed. That is how it works and I challenge you to prove me wrong, to present here even ONE case nationally where the other cops came clean.

You sir, are a killer. You may be a "nice guy" in your ordinary dealings with others, but when push comes to shove, you'll shoot and make excuses when it turns out the man was holding a hair dryer as he stood there in a towel. Funny huh? No, not hardly and many of us remember that exact case. Your masked breathen shot down a man in cold blood because he was holding a hair dryer. Hey, better safe than sorry, right? Wrong, real training teaches how to discern threat from non-threat but you juvenile wanabe commandos are chicken sh*t and trigger happy.

reply to post by digitalbluco


And you would be OK with it if that was the case..... You sir are distusting... Police are not supposed to be carrying out death penalties for people.... Were you dropped on your head?

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

I'm not in the US but this seems pretty drastic and obviously the wrong decision because nothing was found (not drugs anyway).

How come they went in all guns blazing? ok, he had a gun but it says that he didn't fire the weapon!!

Couldn't he get to open the door and come out with hands over his head or something? Why go hie i the cupboard?

It would not have mattered if he did have drugs -- this was not justified. A violent, no-knock "warrant" may be appropriate where someone's life is in imminent peril, a kidnap victim for example. But this event, like many others, was simply terrorism. Period.

Our founding fathers would have a fit if they could see what these government criminals are doing today. If they were here today, it would be my guess they would be taking the battle to the perps.

Originally posted by sjewell57
reply to post by dalan.

 

Actually it warrants him to a search and seizure warrant and if he fights back with deadly intentions then yes death is given. Where i am from we watch the people for months and acquire tons of info from undercover officers and other informants. When we raid a house we know what is in there, amount of weapons, and location of drugs. If it is a big enough operation, you bet your a** we will get a no knock warrant. I live in MO and meth is huge here but we dont have any that have attempted to use deadly force back. Usually the suspect gives up, does his time, then is back cooking again when he gets out. I do have hope for people but very rarely do they break the cycle. I really feel for the children growing up in a drug environment.

Same old excuses and faux badass talk. "Death is given." FU. Since when are you jury and judge. You PROVE my point exactly, you are a death squad and you and your mates should be indicted. So now try to excuse the fact that paramedics were not allowed in to render life-saving care. Can't wait to hear your BS excuse about securing the premises. Your mates were waiting for him to die to remove a witness, no more, no less.

You cops wonder why society hates you ever so increasingly? It is this sort of thing and your continued lack of humility and runaway machismo.

What I really dont get is what justifies the SWAT raid tactic.

So the warrant was looking for drugs, right? Well, not long ago cops, regular uniformed cops, served a search warrant around here and pulled out several suspects, drugs and weapons. No raid tactics. No assault weapons. No body armor. They just knocked, the guy opened the door, they went in and rounded them up.

And then we get that guy in Buffalo who had a full SWAT raid because somebody used his wifi for illegal porn. Even if we go and believe the warrant was justified do pervs usually surround themselves with weapons and soldiers? Why the SWAT raid there?

There doesnt seem to be any consistency. It's like they just get a SWAT team together whenever they feel like it.

Lights, sirens, SWAT at my door.... Yeah, grab the AR-15!! REAL effing smart move moron.

I don't know where you people live but around here when a SWAT team raids a home they have a good reason to. If I was the first through the door and someone was pointing an AR-15 at me I'd neutralize the threat.

I'm not saying there aren't bad cops, bad gvmt, bad decicions, but there is probably a good reason this guy was raided. If not, he still should've known better then to grab a gun and would probably still be alive if he hadn't..

reply to post by Stumpjumper


They dont come up with lights and sirens.

The swoop in, maybe give a bankg on the door and shout "police, search warrant!" then immediately bash the door down. Nobody hands you a nice warrant and gives you time to look it over or call a lawyer to be present. They just kick your door down and enter with weapons drawn.

Anybody can kick in your door shouting "police!"

Any time you take to ask for ID or look through a peephole is time the intruder has to overtake your home.

The article plainly states they went in with lights and sirens. Maybe it's a lie..

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by sjewell57

 

Admit it, you'd be right there alongside your neanderthal mates firing away and if things went south, admit that you and your buds would concoct a bogus story to cover your mistake. This is not speculation; this is the way you operate and we ALL know it. I have NEVER ONCE seen a department come clean in this kind of situation. Without fail EVERY TIME, the PD says they were justified. Does not matter if it is the wrong house because all you thugs do then is say, "Gee, we thought he was going for weapon." Case closed. That is how it works and I challenge you to prove me wrong, to present here even ONE case nationally where the other cops came clean.

You sir, are a killer. You may be a "nice guy" in your ordinary dealings with others, but when push comes to shove, you'll shoot and make excuses when it turns out the man was holding a hair dryer as he stood there in a towel. Funny huh? No, not hardly and many of us remember that exact case. Your masked breathen shot down a man in cold blood because he was holding a hair dryer. Hey, better safe than sorry, right? Wrong, real training teaches how to discern threat from non-threat but you juvenile wanabe commandos are chicken sh*t and trigger happy.

This pretty much sums up how i feel about most police officers in general. I live in a poor community due to the fact of being recently laid off and having to move. I was absolutely STUNNED at the amount of police harassment that goes on in my neighborhood mostly due to the fact that its a high drug area and also a very high minority area. I was stopped and swarmed by FOUR POLICE CARS AND BOXED IN the moment i pulled into my apartments. Guess what they did? They said they stopped me because i had a warrant for expired inspection sticker YET MY STICKER WAS CURRENT. After searching my vehicle and running my record and finding out Ive never been in trouble they let me go. The only reason i was swarmed and searched is because I was a minority driving a luxury car that i bought with HARD EARNED MONEY and they immediately thought i was a drug dealing gang banger.

You law enforcement officers coming into the thread trying to do damage control doesn't work when the majority of the public has witnessed police atrocities first hand.


Also, can a police officer explain to me why the bottom barrel drug offenders gets murdered, maimed, imprisoned, barred from being and upstanding citizen, but the crooked DEA members, the absurd amount of white - collar officials letting the drugs come in, the crooked politicians, and last but not least the pharmaceutical drug pushers that make drugs that actually kill people instead of heal normally live good lives in big mansions and hardly EVER get the same treatment?

If you want to stop the drugs you have to CUT THE HEAD OFF THE SNAKE, NOT CUT ITS TONGUE OUT.

Originally posted by Stumpjumper
The article plainly states they went in with lights and sirens. Maybe it's a lie..

Vanessa Guerena says she heard noise outside their home about 9 a.m. Thursday and woke her husband who had just gone to bed after working a 12-hour shift at the Asarco Mine, she said. There were no sirens or shouts of "police," she said.

Warrant day would be a bust if they drove around the neighborhood with lights flashing and sirens blaring.

They drive around near the address, find a parking lot or pull over to stage themselves, then rush the front while backup works their way around to cover.

One guy, usually just in a jacket will knock and announce to make it "official" then he'll back away while the stormtroopers kick the door in and enter covering corners and doorways with guns drawn.

They load the suspect up, work out details with supervisors, then drive him off for booking while the team moves to the next address.

It's usually very quiet and done early in the AM.

Sirens and lights would come up after there has been an incident like a shooting and they need to establish their presence and block traffic. As we all know, they shot the hell out of this guy.

There's a special place in hell for these kinds of "people" who are drunk with power. They will meet their maker someday and answer for their crimes. I know it doesn't seem like enough right now, but they will get their come uppance.